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brian.lonnon(at)tiscali.c
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: Cabin heat

Hi,



Three of us are just acquiring a trigear XS which has a Jabiru 3300 engine.

It doesn't have any cabin heat and so is a bit parky!



I have looked on the Europa club abd manufacturer's website but can't find

any details on cabin heat.



Can anyone help?



Thanks



Brian



(almost G-BYFG)

Ivor Phillips

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 253
Location: London UK

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: Cabin heat

Speak to Bob Harrison he has a heating system that works very well on a

jabiru powered Europa     ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk  

Subject: Cabin heat






Hi,



Three of us are just acquiring a trigear XS which has a Jabiru 3300 engine.

It doesn't have any cabin heat and so is a bit parky!



I have looked on the Europa club abd manufacturer's website but can't find

any details on cabin heat.



Can anyone help?



Regards

Ivor

gcrowder2

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 136
Location: Golden, Colorado USA

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:59 pm Post subject: Cabin heat

I divert the hot air off the back of my oil cooler and get ridiculous 

amounts of

heat.  I have a simple rectangular box behind the oil cooler that has a 

cockpit

adjustable slide that will either dump all the hot air overboard if its open 

or

divert all the air into the Europa defroster vent.  Works great.  I have an 

external

NACA inlet with a Scat hose to the front side of the oil cooler so there is 

no air from the

engine compartment entering the oil cooler.



                                              Glenn



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		  From: <brian.lonnon(at)tiscali.co.uk>

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Subject: Cabin heat

Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 20:21:52 -0000






Hi,



Three of us are just acquiring a trigear XS which has a Jabiru 3300 engine.

It doesn't have any cabin heat and so is a bit parky!



I have looked on the Europa club abd manufacturer's website but can't find

any details on cabin heat.



Can anyone help?



Thanks



Brian



(almost G-BYFG)






	


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96victor(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: Cabin heat

Hi Brian

  

 I have a mono with a Jab 3300.  I used a separate NACA duct to take air to a control box.  From there it can be switched to supply freash air to the cockpit or air to a muff on the muffler where it is heated.  From there it either goes to the air box/filter or to the cockpit or some of both. 

  

 I am not flying yet but ground running it seems to work fine.

  

 Tom



 

 On 11/3/06, brian.lonnon(at)tiscali.co.uk (brian.lonnon(at)tiscali.co.uk) <brian.lonnon(at)tiscali.co.uk  (brian.lonnon(at)tiscali.co.uk)> wrote: [quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: <brian.lonnon(at)tiscali.co.uk  (brian.lonnon(at)tiscali.co.uk)>



Hi,



Three of us are just acquiring a trigear XS which has a Jabiru 3300 engine.

It doesn't have any cabin heat and so is a bit parky!



I have looked on the Europa club abd manufacturer's website but can't find 



[b]

ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:47 pm Post subject: Cabin heat

Hi! Tom  

I do hope you have a reliable carbon monoxide alert ? I wouldn’t trust a Jabiru welded muffler?  

Regards  

Bob Harrison G-PTAG   

     

Robt.C.Harrison  

  

   

-----Original Message-----

 From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Friedland

 Sent: 03 November 2006 22:14

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Cabin heat  

     

Hi Brian  

    

   

    

I have a mono with a Jab 3300.  I used a separate NACA duct to take air to a control box.  From there it can be switched to supply freash air to the cockpit or air to a muff on the muffler where it is heated.  From there it either goes to the air box/filter or to the cockpit or some of both.   

    

   

    

I am not flying yet but ground running it seems to work fine.  

    

   

  

Tom

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96victor(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject: Cabin heat

Hi Bob

  

 Thanks, I do.  30 minutes of ground running showed no CO and with my cowl flap, no high temps.

  

 Tom



 

 On 11/3/06, R.C.Harrison <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk (ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk)> wrote: [quote]   

Hi! Tom 

I do hope you have a reliable carbon monoxide alert ? I wouldn't trust a Jabiru welded muffler?  

Regards 

Bob Harrison G-P TAG 

   

Robt.C.Harrison

 

  

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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject: Cabin heat

Tom

it's cracks in the system after many hours in flight that will be the 

problem. 1/2 an hour is nothing. Vibration and rapid heating/cooling are 

the dangers.

Graham



Tom Friedland wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi Bob

  

 Thanks, I do.  30 minutes of ground running showed no CO and with my 

 cowl flap, no high temps.

  

 Tom



  

 On 11/3/06, *R.C.Harrison* <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk 

 <mailto:ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk>> wrote:



     Hi! Tom



     I do hope you have a reliable carbon monoxide alert ? I wouldn't

     trust a Jabiru welded muffler?

96victor(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: Cabin heat

Thanks Graham

  

 You are the sage and have given years of great advice.  Thanks.

  

 I had the inlet and outlet welds on the muffler redone.  My CO monitor will be on always.  As as a physician, I am most aware of the insidious problems with CO.

  

 I have flown for 50 years, all in air cooled engines and none with other kinds of heat....  I am still flying.  (Oops, I don't where the heat from the redial engines came from, maybe from the oil coolers?)

  

 On the Jab, what are the alternatives?  Lots of underwear?  Electical?  Gas burners with their own problems?  I am happy with my setup.

  

 Tom



 

 On 11/3/06, Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote: [quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton < grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)>



Tom

it's cracks in the system after many hours in flight that will be the

problem. 1/2 an hour is nothing. Vibration and rapid heating/cooling are

the dangers.

Graham 



Tom Friedland wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi Bob



 Thanks, I do.  30 minutes of ground running showed no CO and with my

 cowl flap, no high temps.



 Tom

 On 11/3/06, * R.C.Harrison* <ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk (ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk)

 <mailto:ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk (ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk)>> wrote:



     Hi! Tom

 


	


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robert.hitchcock(at)virgi
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:04 am Post subject: Cabin heat

Have a heater, never needed it. I just wear a dashing leather jacket



Regards



Bob

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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject: Cabin heat

Tom

thanks for the compliment but never forget, I'm not always right, :-[

I find it hard to believe that the Jab doesn't need an oil cooler and 

that's what I would be tempted to use.  Otherwise go with an exhaust 

muffler and an electronic CO monitor, as you syggest, but not one of the 

cheap brown dot things. Wouldn't trust one of those.

Graham



Tom Friedland wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Thanks Graham

  

 You are the sage and have given years of great advice.  Thanks.

  

 I had the inlet and outlet welds on the muffler redone.  My CO monitor 

 will be on always.  As as a physician, I am most aware of the 

 insidious problems with CO.

  

 I have flown for 50 years, all in air cooled engines and none with 

 other kinds of heat....  I am still flying.  (Oops, I don't where the 

 heat from the redial engines came from, maybe from the oil coolers?)

  

 On the Jab, what are the alternatives?  Lots of underwear?  

 Electical?  Gas burners with their own problems?  I am happy with my 

 setup.

  



*

*

Gilles.Thesee(at)ac-greno
Guest

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:09 pm Post subject: Cabin heat

Hi all,



 	  Quote: 	
		   I find it hard to believe that the Jab doesn't need an oil cooler and 

 that's what I would be tempted to use.  Otherwise go with an exhaust 

 muffler and an electronic CO monitor, 


	




Our kit manufacturer developped a double walled heat muff for the Jabiru 

exhaust. The probability for cracks to develop in the two walls at the 

same time is small.



Regards,

Gilles Thesee

Grenoble, France

http://contrails.free.fr

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