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Ben-PA
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 Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:32 pm Post subject: If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . |
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. . .then can I fly without a high-performance endorsement:
In a retractable gear plane if I don't retract the gear?
Or fly with more than 200 horsepower if I don't use full throttle?
Or fly with a constant speed propellor if I don't change the pitch?
Ben
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Guy Buchanan
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Location: Ramona, CA
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:42 pm Post subject: If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . |
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At 12:32 PM 11/5/2006, you wrote:
| Quote: | . . .then can I fly without a high-performance endorsement:
In a retractable gear plane if I don't retract the gear?
Or fly with more than 200 horsepower if I don't use full throttle?
Or fly with a constant speed propellor if I don't change the pitch?
Ben
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Ben. Thanks for the laugh. It made my day.
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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84KF
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . |
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“then can I fly without a high-performance endorsement:”
Yes, you may.
61.31 Type rating requirements, additional training, and authorization requirements.
(e) Additional training required for operating complex airplanes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a complex airplane (an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller; or, in the case of a seaplane, flaps and a controllable pitch propeller), unless the person has--
(i) Received and logged ground and flight training from an authorized instructor in a complex airplane, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a complex airplane, and has been found proficient in the operation and systems of the airplane; and
(ii) Received a one-time endorsement in the pilot's logbook from an authorized instructor who certifies the person is proficient to operate a complex airplane.
(2) The training and endorsement required by paragraph (e)(1) of this section is not required if the person has logged flight time as pilot in command of a complex airplane, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a complex airplane prior to August 4, 1997.
(f) Additional training required for operating high-performance airplanes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (f)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a high-performance airplane (an airplane with an engine of more than 200 horsepower), unless the person has--
(i) Received and logged ground and flight training from an authorized instructor in a high-performance airplane, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a high-performance airplane, and has been found proficient in the operation and systems of the airplane; and
(ii) Received a one-time endorsement in the pilot's logbook from an authorized instructor who certifies the person is proficient to operate a high-performance airplane.
(2) The training and endorsement required by paragraph (f)(1) of this section is not required if the person has logged flight time as pilot in command of a high-performance airplane, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a high-performance airplane prior to August 4, 1997.
(k) Exceptions.
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(2) The rating limitations of this section do not apply to--
(iii) The holder of a pilot certificate when operating an aircraft under the authority of an experimental or provisional aircraft type certificate;
(v) The holder of a recreational pilot certificate operating under the provisions of Sec. 61.101(h).
The requirement for an endorsement is NOT required when operation an Experimental A\W aircraft
Your question is completely out of context and is presented in an trolling manner.
The answerer is correct, .....but not what you have been told, so you won’t be convinced of this either.
Steve
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Guy Buchanan
Joined: 16 Jul 2006
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Location: Ramona, CA
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . |
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At 03:18 PM 11/5/2006, you wrote:
| Quote: | “then can I fly without a high-performance endorsement:”
Yes, you may.
61.31 Type rating requirements, additional training, and authorization
requirements.
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Wow. That's a loophole you can drive a truck through! No requirements for
complex, HP, pressurized, type specific, or tailwheel endorsements if it's
an experimental. Who would have thunk it. Not even type ratings. I can go
buy a 737, modify it, certify it experimental, and go fly it anywhere I
want with PP rating with no endorsements or training whatsoever! Amazing!
Guy Buchanan
K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.
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84KF
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: If Steve is right about LSA rules. . . |
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Nice try, wouldn’t work.
If that is your “reason” for applying for an experimental A\W cert, you would not be issued one. And you must state your reason during application.
§ 21.191 Experimental certificates.
Experimental certificates are issued for the following purposes:
(a) Research and development. aircraft.
(b) Showing compliance with regulations.
(c) Crew training. .
(d) Exhibition.
(e) Air racing.
(f) Market surveys.
g) Operating amateur-built aircraft.
Don’t think it’s amateur-built,
Don’t see “just cruzing around” there.
There are no loop-holes, and I didn’t say there were.
Like the ARMY recruitment commercial on TV…. “It‘s the FAA“.
steve
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