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 Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject: Reshrinking fabric |
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I need to do some fabric work , and other things, and was wondering if I can
use a heat gun to reshrink the painted fabric. I want to unglue then reglue
as much as possible. Ya not my best landing. Ron NB Ore
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Tom Jones
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Reshrinking fabric |
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Ron, in a word from the Poly Fiber manual, no. The fabric will shrink if the final tightning when it was installed was less than 350 degrees. But, Above 350degrees the fabric loosens and will not reshrink. At 415 degrees the fabric disintegrates. The problem is there is no way to control the heat with a heat gun.
The good news is that fabric is very easy to repair by the book.
Tom Jones,
Ellensburg, WA
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Jim Shumaker
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject: Reshrinking fabric |
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Ron
You can Not unglue and reglue for various reasons. Heat guns are allowed either.
Jim Shumaker
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:26 pm Post subject: Reshrinking fabric |
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Ron,
Don't be tempted to try something that isn't provided for by the manufacturer
of the fabric covering system.
I don't know what fabric covering system, or what kind of paint is on your
aircraft - razorback? ceconite? Cotton? Polyfiber? /polytone? aerothane?- the
only thing you can be sure works is what the OEM Mfgr says.
I cannot speak to any of the other systems; my experience is only with
Polyfiber products. On poly fiber products you never use a heat gun; you only
use a calibrated iron at the correct temperature because you absolutely
cannot control the tempearature at the fabric with a heat gun.
The repair procedures for polyfiber products DO NOT include trying to reshrink
the fabric with paint and the undercoats on the fabric.
What you need to do is repair or replace the fabric, by the exact procedure
recommended by the fabric system manufacturer. You will not be happy and may
not be safe if you deviate from the manufacturers recommendations.
One of the cheapest reference books I ever purchased for my project was the
poly fiber manual. One of the best things I ever did when I was unhappy with
a portion of the fabric job was to rip it off, throw it away and start from
new - just like the manual says - in the long run you will be a lot happier
with the result, and you will never have any nagging questions about your
safety because of the repair.
Sincerely,
Dave S.
St Paul, MN
M-7 nosedragger
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I need to do some fabric work , and other things, and was wondering if I
can use a heat gun to reshrink the painted fabric. I want to unglue then
reglue as much as possible. Ya not my best landing. Ron NB Ore
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roncarolnikko(at)hotmail.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:45 pm Post subject: Reshrinking fabric |
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Thanks I have the Poly-fibre manual and it states that it can be repaired.
If it can be washed clean, patched, shrunk and repainted how is that
differant than just additional shrinking. If the paint goes south I'll wash
it off and squirt it again. I shrunk the tapes into form when I covered it
polybrush and all. My thought of the heat gun was to not trash the paint.
As far as reattatching the fabric, how is that differant from the origional
attachment if washed clean with MEK? Already soaked and removed some seams
today. I can either cut of and glue new fabric to fabric, or just reatatch
to the fuse. Crap not another maximum takeoff weight! Well lots of work
before recoveing. Thanks Ron NB Ore
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Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Reshrinking fabric
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:41:12 -0600
Ron,
Don't be tempted to try something that isn't provided for by the
manufacturer
of the fabric covering system.
I don't know what fabric covering system, or what kind of paint is on your
aircraft - razorback? ceconite? Cotton? Polyfiber? /polytone? aerothane?-
the
only thing you can be sure works is what the OEM Mfgr says.
I cannot speak to any of the other systems; my experience is only with
Polyfiber products. On poly fiber products you never use a heat gun; you
only
use a calibrated iron at the correct temperature because you absolutely
cannot control the tempearature at the fabric with a heat gun.
The repair procedures for polyfiber products DO NOT include trying to
reshrink
the fabric with paint and the undercoats on the fabric.
What you need to do is repair or replace the fabric, by the exact procedure
recommended by the fabric system manufacturer. You will not be happy and
may
not be safe if you deviate from the manufacturers recommendations.
One of the cheapest reference books I ever purchased for my project was the
poly fiber manual. One of the best things I ever did when I was unhappy
with
a portion of the fabric job was to rip it off, throw it away and start from
new - just like the manual says - in the long run you will be a lot happier
with the result, and you will never have any nagging questions about your
safety because of the repair.
Sincerely,
Dave S.
St Paul, MN
M-7 nosedragger
On Saturday 04 November 2006 6:50 pm, ron schick wrote:
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> I need to do some fabric work , and other things, and was wondering if I
> can use a heat gun to reshrink the painted fabric. I want to unglue
then
> reglue as much as possible. Ya not my best landing. Ron NB Ore
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Tom Jones
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Reshrinking fabric |
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Ron,
I had a "Not my best takeoff incident" a few years ago. I had to rebuild the left wing and replace the bungi truss on my Classic 4. The job ended up being a lot easier than I first thought it would be.
You do not reshrink the original fabric. You remove fabric you need to do the airframe repairs. Remove paint, poly spray, and poly brush on only the area of the old fabric that you poly tack the new fabric to. You shrink only the new fabric which pulls the old fabric tight also. I'm working from memory of six years ago on this so may not be exact. I just followed the polyfiber manual section on repairs.
I cut and removed a section of fabric from about one foot behind the bungi truss to one foot in front of it from bottom door sill under the belly to the other bottom door sill.
The only fabric experience I had at the time was covering the plane when I built it. When I was done with the repair no one could find where it was.
If you used poly tone the paint removal is easy. If it's Aerothane, then it's a little different, but I think the manual has it covered.
This may sound strange but while making the repairs I found that I really enjoy the building process.
Tom Jones
Ellensburg, WA
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: Reshrinking fabric |
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Thanks Tom yes I am enjoying the repair as it is simple compared to the
build. Also the MEK makes the proccess more fun, at the expense of brain
cells. I will need to replace some fabric below the pilot door, but hope to
limit my area. Ron NB Ore
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Reply-To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Reshrinking fabric
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 17:40:37 -0800
Ron,
I had a "Not my best takeoff incident" a few years ago. I had to rebuild
the left wing and replace the bungi truss on my Classic 4. The job ended
up being a lot easier than I first thought it would be.
You do not reshrink the original fabric. You remove fabric you need to do
the airframe repairs. Remove paint, poly spray, and poly brush on only the
area of the old fabric that you poly tack the new fabric to. You shrink
only the new fabric which pulls the old fabric tight also. I'm working
from memory of six years ago on this so may not be exact. I just followed
the polyfiber manual section on repairs.
I cut and removed a section of fabric from about one foot behind the bungi
truss to one foot in front of it from bottom door sill under the belly to
the other bottom door sill.
The only fabric experience I had at the time was covering the plane when I
built it. When I was done with the repair no one could find where it was.
If you used poly tone the paint removal is easy. If it's Aerothane, then
it's a little different, but I think the manual has it covered.
This may sound strange but while making the repairs I found that I really
enjoy the building process.
Tom Jones
Ellensburg, WA
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