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 Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:10 am Post subject: Dave's accident |
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Dear fellow Kolber's, I feel it is my duty to put out the correct information as I know it from here.
A Fellow from Washing State contacted Dave on line wanting to know if he could get some familiarizing time in a Kolb. It seems that he had picked out one to buy in Calif. and the Guy told him to come on down and fly it. ( It must have been a single place). This man told the Calif man that he had no time in ultlalights and didn't feel comfortable enough to try it. Dave told him to come on down and he would give him some flights in his. This Guy had a private license. He flew down to Phoenix and rented a car and drove up here to Prescott. Got in late Sunday night and they went flying early Monday Morn. Neither Eve nor I saw him.
Now, the people who live around the field (Some who are pilots) say they heard them making 5 or 6 touch and goes that morning. Now understand, This Guy came all the way down here to get some familiarizing flights in this type of plane. It is my and most of our ulralight Friends who knew Dave, Think this is what happened.
After making several trips around the patch, Dave would have said "Do you want to take it around now"? There was a long take off run and turn to cross wind, then on the turn to down wind the plane stalled made a quarter turn to the right and went straight in from no more than 2-300 feet.
I talked to his Flight instructor who had just given him his training for his Sport license and he told me that he stressed and stressed departureHoward stalls. Therefore I am certain that Dave was not at the controls at that time. Dave told me that he would not fly from the right seat because he was not comfortable there. Because the Kolb had duel controls, it doesn't matter which seat the man flying it was in.
Don't know much about the other man. He was unmarried and had/was a air controller from SeaTac In Tacoma Wa.
We are trying to have the memorial held at the Embry Riddle Auditorium here for next Saturday, 25th. That's not for sure yet.
Eve had a firm date to have his remains interned in Arlington Nation Cementary on December 22nd, his birthday. He was a retired Master Sgt. in the Air force She requests family only.
No flowers, All donations are to go to the EAA Young Eagles Program in Dave's Name. They said they would send acknowledgments to his Wife Eve
Mrs. Dave Pelletier
1134 Fair St.
Prescott, Az. 86305
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: Dave's accident |
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Don't know much about the other man. He was unmarried and
had/was a air controller from SeaTac In Tacoma Wa.
George:
By chance, was this the guy who used the handle on the Kolb List of
"Chris Wolf"? Wolf was looking for someone to give him some stick
time in a Kolb MKIII so he could test fly a MKIIIx that he was going
to look at to buy. There was correspondance to this effect a few days
prior to the accident.
john h
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:54 am Post subject: Dave's accident |
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John,
this from newspaper "David Arthur Pelletier, 68, and his passenger
Michael Francis Maikowski, 54, of Kent, Wash., didn't show any signs
of life when first responders arrived."
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:34 am Post subject: Dave's accident |
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| this from newspaper "David Arthur Pelletier, 68, and his passenger
| Michael Francis Maikowski, 54, of Kent, Wash., didn't show any signs
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| Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
Bob N:
Understand the above.
My question was the coincidence of "Cris Wolf" asking about a check
out in a MKIII to test a prospective buy a few days prior to Dave's
accident. If I remember correctly, he stated flying commercial to
another location would not be a problem.
Was Maikowski a member of the Kolb List?
Is Cris Wolf a online ID for Maikowski, or is Cris Wolf, on the Kolb
List, actually Cris Wolf.
Have not seen Cris Wolf post since the check ride request a few days
prior to the accident date.
Trying to tie some things together, in my mind, which is probably very
dangerous.
Take care,
john h
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rlaird
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:52 am Post subject: Dave's accident |
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When I did an Internet search for "Chris Wolf" using his email address, I found a link to a page that had a link that said "Books by Chris Wolf"... lo, and behold, when I click on that link, this is what I got (look at the name on the book cover):
http://www.jeffcomp.com/index.html
-- Robert
On 11/17/06, John Hauck < jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:[quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" < jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>
| this from newspaper "David Arthur Pelletier, 68, and his passenger
| Michael Francis Maikowski, 54, of Kent, Wash., didn't show any signs
| of life when first responders arrived."
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| regards,
| Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
Bob N:
Understand the above.
My question was the coincidence of "Cris Wolf" asking about a check
out in a MKIII to test a prospective buy a few days prior to Dave's
accident. If I remember correctly, he stated flying commercial to
another location would not be a problem.
Was Maikowski a member of the Kolb List?
Is Cris Wolf a online ID for Maikowski, or is Cris Wolf, on the Kolb
List, actually Cris Wolf.
Have not seen Cris Wolf post since the check ride request a few days
prior to the accident date.
Trying to tie some things together, in my mind, which is probably very
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: Dave's accident |
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I don't know that, but I will try to find out.
George
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject: Dave's accident |
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How can we find this out? Can anyone on this list find out?
George
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject: Dave's accident |
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| When I did an Internet search for "Chris Wolf" using his email
address, I
| found a link to a page that had a link that said "Books by Chris
Wolf"...
| lo, and behold, when I click on that link, this is what I got (look
at the
| name on the book cover):
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| http://www.jeffcomp.com/index.html
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| -- Robert
Robert:
Looks like we have our answer. Chris Wolf and Maikowski are one and
the same.
john h
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Steve Boetto
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject: Dave's accident |
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John,
I agree, I thought the same thoughts. It would be nice to hear from Chris, He appeared to be an avid and enthusiastic new member to our group.
HEY CHRIS, Speak up
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: Dave's accident |
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| Looks like we have our answer. Chris Wolf and Maikowski are one
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| the same.
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| john h
Gang:
Here's one of his (their) books that has both names on it:
http://jeffcomp.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=100
Best I can figure they were the same guy.
john h
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: Dave's accident |
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| Here's one of his (their) books that has both names on it:
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http://jeffcomp.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=100
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| Best I can figure they were the same guy.
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| john h
And..................
Here is the msg that sparked my interest in the two names:
"So my question is, where can I go to get checked out in a Kolb Mark
III
Xtra? We don't seem to have any in the Seattle area, where I live.
Would
it be best to go back to the factory, in Kentucky? Does the factory
do
this sort of thing? Or is there somebody who would like to give me a
checkout in a Kolb Xtra? For pay, of course! And I can travel for
the
instruction."
Chris Wolf
cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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David.Lehman
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: Dave's accident |
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In message #45201, Chris said, "We don't seem to have any in the Seattle area, where I live."...
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On 11/17/06, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote: [quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>
| Looks like we have our answer. Chris Wolf and Maikowski are one
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| the same.
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| john h
Gang:
Here's one of his (their) books that has both names on it:
http://jeffcomp.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=100
Best I can figure they were the same guy.
john h
mkIII
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rlaird
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject: Dave's accident |
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I've done a bit more searching...
There is a Chris Wolf in the Kent, WA directory, but I can't get a handle on who he is, exactly, except for the reference to the book that seems to be written by both....
...but there is a Michael Maikowski in the Seattle, WA directory. I found a profile on Maikowski, as follows:
Current Employer: FAA
Previous Employers: Boeing
Interests: Private Pilot
High School: Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin
College: Purdue
Affiliations: Aircraft Owners & Pilots Assoc
I found a separate reference to Maikowski that was part of an article... it said: "Our tour was led by Mike Maikowski, Air Traffic Controller, who escorted us up 16 floors to the top." with reference to SeaTac ATC.
So, I'm convinced that Mike Maikowski is a real person who worked for the FAA as an ATC... now, the Chris Wolf person may be a nom-de-plume for Maikowski. I found a couple of references to discussion on Objectivism, where Chris introduces Mike in a forum, so, they may be two different people who know each other and have a common intellectual interest, or Maikowski may be invented "Chris Wolf" to provide some appearance of independent authentication for his ideas. Very hard to say FOR SURE at this point.
-- Robert
On 11/17/06, David Lehman <david(at)davidlehman.net (david(at)davidlehman.net)> wrote:[quote] In message #45201, Chris said, "We don't seem to have any in the Seattle area, where I live."...
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On 11/17/06, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
[quote][b] www.aeroelectric.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject: Dave's accident |
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My apologies for putting my one-cent into this thread.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:33 pm Post subject: Dave's accident |
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That's very interesting. Thanks for checking it out. George
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It seems that it would be quite adventuresome to be making pattern turns at relatively high gross weight at 2-300 feet AGL altitude. IF something goes wrong there is no time to react or salvage the situation...
Is that what I am hearing?
Thanks for being patient.
Robert Laird <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> wrote:
[quote]I've done a bit more searching...
There is a Chris Wolf in the Kent, WA directory, but I can't get a handle on who he is, exactly, except for the reference to the book that seems to be written by both....
...but there is a Michael Maikowski in the Seattle, WA directory. I found a profile on Maikowski, as follows:
Current Employer: FAA
Previous Employers: Boeing
Interests: Private Pilot
High School: Whitefish Bay, Wisconsin
College: Purdue
Affiliations: Aircraft Owners & Pilots Assoc
I found a separate reference to Maikowski that was part of an article... it said: "Our tour was led by Mike Maikowski, Air Traffic Controller, who escorted us up 16 floors to the top." with reference to SeaTac ATC.
So, I'm convinced that Mike Maikowski is a real person who worked for the FAA as an ATC... now, the Chris Wolf person may be a nom-de-plume for Maikowski. I found a couple of references to discussion on Objectivism, where Chris introduces Mike in a forum, so, they may be two different people who know each other and have a common intellectual interest, or Maikowski may be invented "Chris Wolf" to provide some appearance of independent authentication for his ideas. Very hard to say FOR SURE at this point.
-- Robert
On 11/17/06, David Lehman <david(at)davidlehman.net (david(at)davidlehman.net)> wrote: [quote] In message #45201, Chris said, "We don't seem to have any in the Seattle area, where I live."...
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On 11/17/06, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
[quote][b] www.aeroelectric.com [quote][b]
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Makes me wonder why he used an alias? And under what circumstances he left the SETAC Traffic-Control job.I'm always suspicious when a passenger could have, or maybe did, cause an accident.
Was there a parachute? I know perhaps it was too low to be fully effective.
As I recall the plane that flew into the hi-rise in NYC had a chute, but it was never pulled.
Russ K
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[quote]In message #45201, Chris said, "We don't seem to have any in the Seattle area, where I live."...
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On 11/17/06, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote: | Quote: | --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>
| Looks like we have our answer. Chris Wolf and Maikowski are one
and
| the same.
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Gang:
Here's one of his (their) books that has both names on it:
http://jeffcomp.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=100
Best I can figure they were the same guy.
john h
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Chris Wolf and Mike Maikowski are separate people. They were very close
friends. Mike and Chris were in the process of purchasing my Kolb Mark
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Best I can figure they were the same guy.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject: Dave's accident |
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| Chris Wolf and Mike Maikowski are separate people. They were very
close
| friends. Mike and Chris were in the process of purchasing my Kolb
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| Robert Mason
Robert M:
Thanks for clearing that up for us.
john h
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rlaird
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| Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: Dave's accident |
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On 11/17/06, David Downey <planecrazydld(at)yahoo.com (planecrazydld(at)yahoo.com)> wrote: | Quote: | It seems that it would be quite adventuresome to be making pattern turns at relatively high gross weight at 2-300 feet AGL altitude. IF something goes wrong there is no time to react or salvage the situation...
Is that what I am hearing?
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Maybe I got left out of something somewhere along the lines, but am I the only person who flies the pattern at field altitude+1000 feet? Granted, I'm doing descending turns for base and final, but my turn for final is between 600 and 800 feet.
It certainly doesn't sound like something an experienced Kolb pilot would be doing.
-- Robert
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