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Richard Pike
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Blountville, Tennessee
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 Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: Straight out Cessna |
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Years ago in my former life as an air traffic controller, we had an instructor flying out of TRI with that straight-out-till-1,000'-mindset. One day I had him doing a touch and go with an FAA Flight Check Saberliner about three miles behind him as he crossed the fence. If you have ever been around Flat Chick planes, they lock onto the localizer/glide slope for ILS calibration runs, and will not deviate off unless absolutely necessary because it screws up their data.
Well, the C152 was approaching the departure end as the Saberliner was on short final for a low approach, and I told the Cessna to start a turn. Got a Roger, but no turn. Told him again, got a Roger, but no turn. Then the Saberliner pilot piped up and said "Let him go tower, we haven't cold-nosed a Cessna in a while, and he'll do just fine." Saw the wing promptly come up on the Cessna...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
And on another light note, will be taking off in a couple hours to go shoot pictures of the Santa Train coming out of the mountains into Kingsport. Allison Krauss is on it, but I doubt that she is into waving at Kolbs...
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Russ Kinne
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:40 pm Post subject: Straight out Cessna |
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I've always tried to keep the ATC happy, but also my fellow pilots as well. Several times at big airports I've had a lot of planes behind me, all waiting to takeoff. When tower clears me, I'll ask if they want me to "expedite" -- they usually say yes, and when I get to 2-300' I make a gentle turn crosswind -- BUT this is in a dependable plane I know very well, and in an area where I could successfully land if the fan quit. But it does free Tower up to clear the next guy behind me in line and speed things up for everybody. At least half the time they've said "Thanks for the turn " afterward. Worked at St John's NFLD, Stewart NY, Bradley CT, White Plains NY, Bangor ME as I recall, others.I can't imagine a CFI insisting on 1000' in a low-performance aircraft --Russ K
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On Nov 18, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
[quote]Years ago in my former life as an air traffic controller, we had an instructor flying out of TRI with that straight-out-till-1,000'-mindset. One day I had him doing a touch and go with an FAA Flight Check Saberliner about three miles behind him as he crossed the fence. If you have ever been around Flat Chick planes, they lock onto the localizer/glide slope for ILS calibration runs, and will not deviate off unless absolutely necessary because it screws up their data.
Well, the C152 was approaching the departure end as the Saberliner was on short final for a low approach, and I told the Cessna to start a turn. Got a Roger, but no turn. Told him again, got a Roger, but no turn. Then the Saberliner pilot piped up and said "Let him go tower, we haven't cold-nosed a Cessna in a while, and he'll do just fine." Saw the wing promptly come up on the Cessna...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
And on another light note, will be taking off in a couple hours to go shoot pictures of the Santa Train coming out of the mountains into Kingsport. Allison Krauss is on it, but I doubt that she is into waving at Kolbs...
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John Hauck
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: Straight out Cessna |
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| 2-300' I make a gentle turn crosswind -- BUT this is in a
dependable
| plane I know very well, and in an area where I could successfully
| land if the fan quit.
| Russ K
Russ K:
Are you insinuating some of us fly aircraft that are not dependable?
Most of us don't fly in tower controlled airports, unless we have to.
Easy to spot a GA type with little or no UL/Light Plane experience.
 It oozes out between the cracks.
Promise I won't say anything about dependable spam cans, the ones I
read about daily in the FAA Daily Accident Briefs. Most of those
accidents are bent, broken, failed, landing gear because the GA pilot
blew the landing.
Take care,
john h
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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:47 am Post subject: Straight out Cessna |
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Hey Russ K if your ever back in the Bangor Maine area again lets hook up I will buy you lunch I am just 11 miles north of Bangor KBGR
Ellery
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