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Deems Davis
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 Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:35 am Post subject: RV-10 PAPSP -Continued |
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To all who've responded to this thread so far:
Thank you for your responses. As Patrick, John and others have pointed
out, accomplishing something like this is NOT a minor undertaking. I
don't doubt for a moment, the amount of work that would be required to
put something like this together, with 40% (+/- 90%) more to go on my
own project, I'm also not misleading myself into thinking this is
something I could/would do alone or in my own spare time. However, I am
willing to put some of the evening time that I spend (along with others
time) browsing the boards/lists/websites into developing something that
could be of significant value to our community. There is enough
anecdotal evidence so far to suggest that the REAL value is there. As
Patrick pointed out the biggest value, is a fleet of safety conscious
pilots and aircraft. And while this is _First and Foremost_ a Safety and
Proficiency idea, It doesn't rule out having some fun and enjoyment. It
also doesn't have to be built and implemented in a way that requires us
to build and eat the whole elephant at once, perhaps a phased approach
is possible?
In order for this idea/concept to work, it will have to have a LOT of
support from the RV-10 community, as it would be entirely voluntary,
there are no compulsory 'enforcement' actions that can be taken other
than to withhold some type of certification. It would also require
availability and commitment of some particular skills (CFI/CFII), that I
for one don't have. (may encourage me to get another rating!  ) So
with all of that said, the 1st item is to determine what , how much of
an interest there is in a program like this, its easy to respond to an
e-mail, and although I've received 10 + positive responses to the idea,
that's not yet enough (1.5%) in my opinion to make a GO commitment.
However it is encouraging enough to continue with the step of
determining what kind of an interest there might be in such an event.
Apart from this mail list, does anyone else have any additional ideas on
how to survey the RV-10 group? I see that Rick S. and Bob K. have
received. (If I can figure out how to do it I might put up a survey page
on my web site, for those bashful folks who aren't as vocal on the mail
list)
IF, (big IF) there is enough interest, I'm thinking the next step would
be to form an advisory group that would help to specify the mission,
establish the scope, set priorities, outline a curriculum, establish
governance, etc. Some of you have indicated an willingness.desire to
contribute, I'll assemble a list of potential contributors and the skill
set/expertise that may be available. If you don't want to respond
on-line send me a not offline to register your interest.
One of the suggestions was to broaden the concept to the whole RV
community. My prior life experience taught me that as the
size/complexity of the effort increases, the risk of failure increases
exponentially. So I'm inclined to focus on this group (RV-10) for
starters. If we can make a go of it, then it could be exported to a
wider community.
Please keep the suggestions/alternatives/input coming I have learned
that the electronic/distributed community is indeed a synergistic
organism and there is much more knowledge and expertise out here than I
could ever hope to acquire in my lifetime.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: RV-10 PAPSP -Continued |
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Here's my 3 cents.
I think it's a fantastic idea. I think it would be best done at
a fly-in type thing, perhaps regional, or perhaps just
do a mid-west, mid-east type thing...maybe Kentucky and Colorado
or something, twice a year. It should be limited to RV-10's,
for simplicity. We could gather, have some flying activities,
have some Q&A sessions with builders or flying builders. We could
hold classroom type safety seminars, but really, we all know the
most important factors are pilot attitude and weather. So, I think
it would be sweet if we invited Mike Seager and Alex De Dominicis
to the event to perhaps provide 1hr transition training block times
for 2 days over a weekend. Then for flying people, perhaps there's
a way we could get RV-10 specific proficiency checks done by other
members. Like a self-policing ride-along program, since you can
learn a lot from another pilot watching and critiquing you. Some
people, like myself, might even be motivated enough to get a CFI
rating, or even CFII. Then the experience could be tailored to
your needs. Need instrument proficiency, then focus on that.
What would be cool is if we had 5-10 CFI/II's show up and we could
use it as an RV-10 specific "BFR" type event.
I think pursuing insurance rate decreases would be a very
nice thing, but I don't know that we have the structure available
to do this sort of thing right now. That might be more
practical in a non-group setting, just like transition training,
where an approved person like Alex could do a 5-10 hour course
every 1-2 years, for a very small number of individuals. I mean,
I don't expect the insurance companies to give a discount to
someone just because they flew 1 hour with someone for a
minimal program.
So we have a fly-in, meeting, Q&A session, with some BFR type
check rides, and maybe some RV-10 intro flights. Sounds like a
good weekend to me. Perhaps 3 or 4 people presenting as a group
on some common maintenance problems or building problems that
are RV-10 specific....so the attending builders know what to
watch out for. The Q&A session with those who have gone before
would be a most valuable thing, I'd think. This portion we
could set up every OSH or S-N-F too, if we could get the
appropriate people.
Not sure if we have enough flying members to start the push
yet. I firmly believe that until we see about 75-100 flying
RV-10's, our attendance would be too minimal to worry about.
Look at LOE....only 4 RV-10's showed up. Look at the
Homecoming...only a very few. OSH, sure, had a bunch, but
you can't really easily fly around at OSH to do what we're
talking about here. Oh well, enough for now.
PS: Am I the only one who thinks it's strange that the RV-10 flying
count only went up by 25-28 since I flew back in 2/12/06? For
a while it seemed they were coming out of the woodwork, but
these days there's a real noticeably small number of first flights
for some reason.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Deems Davis wrote:
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To all who've responded to this thread so far:
Thank you for your responses. As Patrick, John and others have pointed
out, accomplishing something like this is NOT a minor undertaking. I
don't doubt for a moment, the amount of work that would be required to
put something like this together, with 40% (+/- 90%) more to go on my
own project, I'm also not misleading myself into thinking this is
something I could/would do alone or in my own spare time. However, I am
willing to put some of the evening time that I spend (along with others
time) browsing the boards/lists/websites into developing something that
could be of significant value to our community. There is enough
anecdotal evidence so far to suggest that the REAL value is there. As
Patrick pointed out the biggest value, is a fleet of safety conscious
pilots and aircraft. And while this is _First and Foremost_ a Safety and
Proficiency idea, It doesn't rule out having some fun and enjoyment. It
also doesn't have to be built and implemented in a way that requires us
to build and eat the whole elephant at once, perhaps a phased approach
is possible?
In order for this idea/concept to work, it will have to have a LOT of
support from the RV-10 community, as it would be entirely voluntary,
there are no compulsory 'enforcement' actions that can be taken other
than to withhold some type of certification. It would also require
availability and commitment of some particular skills (CFI/CFII), that I
for one don't have. (may encourage me to get another rating! ) So
with all of that said, the 1st item is to determine what , how much of
an interest there is in a program like this, its easy to respond to an
e-mail, and although I've received 10 + positive responses to the idea,
that's not yet enough (1.5%) in my opinion to make a GO commitment.
However it is encouraging enough to continue with the step of
determining what kind of an interest there might be in such an event.
Apart from this mail list, does anyone else have any additional ideas on
how to survey the RV-10 group? I see that Rick S. and Bob K. have
received. (If I can figure out how to do it I might put up a survey page
on my web site, for those bashful folks who aren't as vocal on the mail
list)
IF, (big IF) there is enough interest, I'm thinking the next step would
be to form an advisory group that would help to specify the mission,
establish the scope, set priorities, outline a curriculum, establish
governance, etc. Some of you have indicated an willingness.desire to
contribute, I'll assemble a list of potential contributors and the skill
set/expertise that may be available. If you don't want to respond
on-line send me a not offline to register your interest.
One of the suggestions was to broaden the concept to the whole RV
community. My prior life experience taught me that as the
size/complexity of the effort increases, the risk of failure increases
exponentially. So I'm inclined to focus on this group (RV-10) for
starters. If we can make a go of it, then it could be exported to a
wider community.
Please keep the suggestions/alternatives/input coming I have learned
that the electronic/distributed community is indeed a synergistic
organism and there is much more knowledge and expertise out here than I
could ever hope to acquire in my lifetime.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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jjessen
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Posts: 285
Location: OR
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: RV-10 PAPSP -Continued |
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Deems, my post on this topic was a lame attempt at humor, as you know. Just
to make sure, in case the humor was not obvious, I want you to know that I
am very much in favor of this and am willing to put time towards it, so
count me in. I won't have a flying -10 for awhile, but that won't stop me
from helping out.
I agree. Start slow and work your way to larger.
John Jessen
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apilot2(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:04 pm Post subject: RV-10 PAPSP -Continued |
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When other type clubs do this, it is usually limited to around 30
pilots, with 10-15 instructors on the flying days, so that each pilot
gets 3-4 total flying hours, broken into 2 sessions, and Wings, BFR
and IPC certificates as appropriate. I think that is what is needed to
get any insurance recognition.
On 11/20/06, John Jessen <jjessen(at)rcn.com> wrote:
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Deems, my post on this topic was a lame attempt at humor, as you know. Just
to make sure, in case the humor was not obvious, I want you to know that I
am very much in favor of this and am willing to put time towards it, so
count me in. I won't have a flying -10 for awhile, but that won't stop me
from helping out.
I agree. Start slow and work your way to larger.
John Jessen
Do not archive
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Deems Davis
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject: RV-10 PAPSP -Continued |
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The humor was duly noted ( and appreciated)
Deems
John Jessen wrote:
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Deems, my post on this topic was a lame attempt at humor, as you know. Just
to make sure, in case the humor was not obvious, I want you to know that I
am very much in favor of this and am willing to put time towards it, so
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mritter509(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject: RV-10 PAPSP -Continued |
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Deems,
It's going to take a "champion" or small group of champions to keep this
great idea moving forward. Hope the group can pull it off. Not sure how
the Bonanza folks got it going but would guess they partly financed the
effort out of club membership dues and attendance fees.
Late responder,
Mark (N410MR Flying - Flew to paint shop today)
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Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-10 PAPSP -Continued Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006
11:34:45 -0700
To all who've responded to this thread so far:
Thank you for your responses. As Patrick, John and others have pointed out,
accomplishing something like this is NOT a minor undertaking. I don't
doubt for a moment, the amount of work that would be required to put
something like this together, with 40% (+/- 90%) more to go on my own
project, I'm also not misleading myself into thinking this is something I
could/would do alone or in my own spare time. However, I am willing to put
some of the evening time that I spend (along with others time) browsing the
boards/lists/websites into developing something that could be of
significant value to our community. There is enough anecdotal evidence so
far to suggest that the REAL value is there. As Patrick pointed out the
biggest value, is a fleet of safety conscious pilots and aircraft. And
while this is _First and Foremost_ a Safety and Proficiency idea, It
doesn't rule out having some fun and enjoyment. It also doesn't have to be
built and implemented in a way that requires us to build and eat the whole
elephant at once, perhaps a phased approach is possible?
In order for this idea/concept to work, it will have to have a LOT of
support from the RV-10 community, as it would be entirely voluntary, there
are no compulsory 'enforcement' actions that can be taken other than to
withhold some type of certification. It would also require availability and
commitment of some particular skills (CFI/CFII), that I for one don't have.
(may encourage me to get another rating! ) So with all of that said,
the 1st item is to determine what , how much of an interest there is in a
program like this, its easy to respond to an e-mail, and although I've
received 10 + positive responses to the idea, that's not yet enough (1.5%)
in my opinion to make a GO commitment. However it is encouraging enough to
continue with the step of determining what kind of an interest there might
be in such an event.
Apart from this mail list, does anyone else have any additional ideas on
how to survey the RV-10 group? I see that Rick S. and Bob K. have received.
(If I can figure out how to do it I might put up a survey page on my web
site, for those bashful folks who aren't as vocal on the mail list)
IF, (big IF) there is enough interest, I'm thinking the next step would be
to form an advisory group that would help to specify the mission, establish
the scope, set priorities, outline a curriculum, establish governance, etc.
Some of you have indicated an willingness.desire to contribute, I'll
assemble a list of potential contributors and the skill set/expertise that
may be available. If you don't want to respond on-line send me a not
offline to register your interest.
One of the suggestions was to broaden the concept to the whole RV
community. My prior life experience taught me that as the size/complexity
of the effort increases, the risk of failure increases exponentially. So
I'm inclined to focus on this group (RV-10) for starters. If we can make a
go of it, then it could be exported to a wider community.
Please keep the suggestions/alternatives/input coming I have learned that
the electronic/distributed community is indeed a synergistic organism and
there is much more knowledge and expertise out here than I could ever hope
to acquire in my lifetime.
Deems Davis # 406
Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )
http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:14 am Post subject: RV-10 PAPSP -Continued |
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When you attended a Bonanza Society event there was a fee to cover the expenses they incurred. You can take a look at their format by going to this web address.
http://www.bppp.org/
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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