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trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:50 am Post subject: Icom A200-Help!

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wrmaxwell(at)bigpond.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: Icom A200-Help!

I dont know Carlos and I have never seen one.  I quietly borrow some sewing 

needles from my wife's collection, find one that can fit down the receptacle 

and use it to push the locking ear flush with the rest of the pin and then 

pull the pin out.  I imagine the proper tool does exactly that but in a more 

sophisticated fashion?  One would be a handy addition to the tool kit if we 

can locate a ready source.



Bill

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Neal.George(at)maxwell.af
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: Icom A200-Help!

Carlos - 



Stein sells them - http://www.steinair.com/connectors.htm

Last item on the page. 

Do Not Archive



Neal

Speaking of Molex connector pins, the A200 installation manual refers to a 

Molex connector pin removal tool.

Where can it be obtained?



Carlos

harley(at)AgelessWings.co
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: Icom A200-Help!

Years ago (in my other life<G>), I made a couple of these molex pin 

removal tools at work to fit the various sized pins/receptacles we 

used.  It was simply a 1/4" diameter brass rod about two inches long, 

with a smaller rod stuck through it (or soldered on) at one end to make 

a tee type handle.



For the pin end, I mounted it in a lathe (before I put the tee handle on 

it <G>) and bored it out with the proper sized drill to fit the pin 

loosely.  While still on the lathe, I turned down the rod on the outside 

so it would fit inside the receptacle.



If you figure the depth of the pin's hole correctly, and the length of 

the turned down portion of the rod that will fit inside the receptacle, 

then you can use the tool to push the pin completely free of the 

receptacle without ever having to pull on the wire.



If you don't have a lathe, take a 1/4"  brass rod to a shop or friend 

with one, show them a pin and a receptacle and let them at it.  It's 

pretty simple, and they do last a long time!  Still have mine around 

here somewhere...12 years after retiring!



Harley Dixon



Bill Maxwell wrote:



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I dont know Carlos and I have never seen one.  I quietly borrow some sewing 

needles from my wife's collection, find one that can fit down the receptacle 

and use it to push the locking ear flush with the rest of the pin and then 

pull the pin out.  I imagine the proper tool does exactly that but in a more 

sophisticated fashion?  One would be a handy addition to the tool kit if we 

can locate a ready source.



Bill

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dennis.glaeser(at)eds.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:45 pm Post subject: Icom A200-Help!

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Speaking of Molex connector pins, the A200 installation manual refers to

a Molex connector pin removal tool. Where can it be obtained? 



Carlos 

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Stein has them: www.steinair.com/tools.htm - see the SAT-033.  B&C has

them as well.



	Dennis Glaeser

james(at)berkut13.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:16 pm Post subject: Icom A200-Help!

I think the other responses are referencing the Molex power plug pins, not 

the Molex KK type pins that are in the interface between the radio and the 

mounting tray.  (at least I think those are the ones - from memory)



For the removal tool, you will likely need to go no further than your wife.



See: http://www.berkut13.com/extractor.htm



Enjoy,



James Redmon

Berkut #013  N97TX

http://www.berkut13.com

 	  Quote: 	
		   Speaking of Molex connector pins, the A200 installation manual refers to a

 Molex connector pin removal tool.

 Where can it be obtained?



 Carlos

wrmaxwell(at)bigpond.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject: Icom A200-Help!

Now why didn't I think of that?  Thanks Harley.

Bill

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wrmaxwell(at)bigpond.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject: Icom A200-Help!

Better yet and no sharp point to negotiate!



Bill

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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:51 pm Post subject: Icom A200-Help!

At 03:13 PM 2/15/2006 -0600, you wrote:



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I think the other responses are referencing the Molex power plug pins, not

the Molex KK type pins that are in the interface between the radio and the

mounting tray.  (at least I think those are the ones - from memory)



For the removal tool, you will likely need to go no further than your wife.



See: http://www.berkut13.com/extractor.htm


	




   I've made tools for the KK and similar pins from small screwdrivers

   and a few minutes with a grinder. See:



http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Tools/extraction_tool.jpg



        Bob . . .

      < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >

      < the authority which determines whether there can be   >

      < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of   >

      < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests     >

      < with experiment.                                      >

      <                            --Lawrence M. Krauss       >

Bill McMullen

Joined: 23 Nov 2006
Posts: 7

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Icom A200-Help!

I'm currently wiring an A200 and like many others I thought I'd cross-check the very basic installation instructions that were provided.  I've downloaded and looked at the http://www.aeroelectric.com/Installation_Data/IC-A200_Icom_Installation_Wiring.pdf document, but that actually raised a bigger question.  Maybe I just need another jolt of caffeine, but ...



The ICOM document shows the Molex connector from the front rather than the rear wire entry side. The .pdf document shows the connector from the wire entry side (i.e. rear), BUT ... the pin numbers and letters are in the exact same order as the ICOM front view.  The physical connector shows the expected reversed order.



Can anyone who's wired and tested one of these confirm the orientation for me?  i.e. Power / ground wires on the left or right when viewed from the rear.



Thanks in advance.



P.S. Many thanks to Bob for his efforts and willingness to share his knowledge ... it is appreciated.

larry(at)macsmachine.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: Icom A200-Help!

Bill,

Check the molex connector for the neutral key for finding the proper 

side. 1 thru 8 and A thru H begin the first half of the connector

and  A has no connector at all. The opposite side only has 7 spaces, so 

orientation and placement of the wires should be evident by checking the 

radio and connectors.



Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com



Bill McMullen wrote:

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 I'm currently wiring an A200 and like many others I thought I'd cross-check the very basic installation instructions that were provided.  I've downloaded and looked at the http://www.aeroelectric.com/Installation_Data/IC-A200_Icom_Installation_Wiring.pdf document, but that actually raised a bigger question.  Maybe I just need another jolt of caffeine, but ...



 The ICOM document shows the Molex connector from the front rather than the rear wire entry side. The .pdf document shows the connector from the wire entry side (i.e. rear), BUT ... the pin numbers and letters are in the exact same order as the ICOM front view.  The physical connector shows the expected reversed order.



 Can anyone who's wired and tested one of these confirm the orientation for me?  i.e. Power / ground wires on the left or right when viewed from the rear.



 Thanks in advance.



 P.S. Many thanks to Bob for his efforts and willingness to share his knowledge ... it is appreciated.





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Bill McMullen

Joined: 23 Nov 2006
Posts: 7

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Icom A200-Help!

Thanks Larry.



I think I was just being over cautious ... I'm doing this from scratch and  first had to insert the polarizing key into my blank Molex connector.  It does match the radio and I've looked at the PCB traces to verify the obvious ground connections.  Your post made me look at it again and I still think I've done it properly such that the wiring will match the markings on the connector.



In essence, I guess my post was a round about way of saying that I think the .PDF drawing has an error in it's connector pictorial.  I hate the smell of expensive smoke and also hope that no one else makes a mistake.

rdunhamtn(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:47 am Post subject: Icom A200-Help!

No such thing as over-cautious.



You are correct that the pinout on the .pdf file is wrong.



You are also correct that the pinout letters and numbers are embossed on the 

connector. With a pair of +1.25 Diopter "cheater" from Walgreen's and a good 

bright light, I can just barely read them.



Go with the IC-A200 "Installation Instructions". They work well.



Rodney in Tennessee



PS, mine never had a Polarizing Key. Still works fine.



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Bill McMullen

Joined: 23 Nov 2006
Posts: 7

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Icom A200-Help!

Rodney : Thanks for the re-inforcement that I'm really not going crazy as the grey hairs start increasing.  I only wish I could get away with just +1.25 cheaters to see these markings ... they're some of the hardest ones to read.



I sincerely hope Bob sees this and updates his diagram.  It's a great expansion on a very poor installation manual but my biggest concern is that someone goes with it's pinout diagram rather than getting out their magnifying glass and looking at the physical connector.  I am surprised that no one else has noted and commented on this discrepency.

jetboy

Joined: 22 Jul 2006
Posts: 233

Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Icom A200-Help!

I've been informed by a number of people that the A200 is identical design to the BendixKing KY96.  it certainly seems functionally identical and I recall the trays fit each other's radio. Bob, if you do get that icom  manual pse confirm ? I'm a radio tech and got some of the BK manual from the avionics dealers (they quite rightly weren't keen to give me the whole manual) every time i'm asked to set up an A200 I just do as I have for the BK. The mod. level adjust pot works backwards too, just like the original- talk about attention to detail! 



Therefore any wiring setup used for the BK hot mic intercom should apply to the A200.



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