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aerobaticgirl(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: Anyone know who this is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2PvcG4Vmyw

   

  This guy was pancaking there are the end....had it been an Extra 300, it wouldn't have climbed out of that.



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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: Anyone know who this is?

In a message dated 11/23/2006 1:34:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  aerobaticgirl(at)yahoo.com writes:

  

 Yea wryly I do believe I heard he lost his low altitude waiver card.   They found green grass stains on the prop tips (most likely found brown stains  in his underwear too) and if it weren't for a depression between the  runways, he wouldn't have cleared the ground at all.

  

 Pappy

  

  

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dabear(at)damned.org
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:21 am Post subject: Anyone know who this is?

That happened at Andrews Air Force Base Open House.  I believe he lost

his ACE instructor/sign-off card, but still has his ACE card.  There was

much discussion about why that happened.  Just continues to prove, that

if you take your concentration off the game for just a second, it can

deadly.



DaBear



cjpilot710(at)aol.com wrote:

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		   In a message dated 11/23/2006 1:34:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

 aerobaticgirl(at)yahoo.com writes:

  

 Yea wryly I do believe I heard he lost his low altitude waiver card. 

 They found green grass stains on the prop tips (most likely found

 brown stains in his underwear too) and if it weren't for a depression

 between the runways, he wouldn't have cleared the ground at all.

  

 Pappy

  

  



     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2PvcG4Vmyw

      

     This guy was pancaking there are the end....had it been an Extra

     300, it wouldn't have climbed out of that.



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ben(at)designselect.net
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:53 am Post subject: Anyone know who this is?

I can’t tell from the video if the old boy rolled back the canopy on recovery.  It must have smelt really bad in there.  Actually, you’ve got to hand it to him.  Even though he had the pooch well in hand, in a compromised position, he had the stones to roll it at the end.  

         

  

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin

 Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 10:32 AM

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

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HawkerPilot2015

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone know who this is?

Good thing he was not involved in any ACM....would have killed him!

aerobaticgirl(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:04 am Post subject: Anyone know who this is?

Losin a waiver card is a whole lot better than the alternative.



cjpilot710(at)aol.com wrote:  [quote]      In a message dated 11/23/2006 1:34:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, aerobaticgirl(at)yahoo.com writes:

   

  Yea wryly I do believe I heard he lost his low altitude waiver card.  They found green grass stains on the prop tips (most likely found brown stains in his underwear too) and if it weren't for a depression between the runways, he wouldn't have cleared the ground at all.

   

  Pappy

   

   

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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: Anyone know who this is?

That is Jim Cook's YAK-9. He was not flying the plane at the time. He had feried her up for the Air Show. I beleive he told me it was at Andrews AFB this past  summer. Yes the guy did have to clean his shorts afterward along with losing his lowat card. 

 Doc

  

 



  

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fougapilot(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: Anyone know who this is?

Here are some first hand facts from the pilot himself.



He did loose his concentration for 1/2 a second. I believe his exacts words 

were "I had a juvenile moment". He did recover the airplane without touching 

the planet. He completed his display and flew again the next day (without 

the juvenile part...). He was spoken to by the Base commander and told NEVER 

to do this again.  He was put in the penalty box by ICAS for his action and 

decided to quit his ACE duties. He never lost his card and still flies 

Warbirds with a unlimited card.



Only to prove it can happen to any one, he has been flying airshow for 

nearly 30 years and has over 35 000 hrs in his logbook (yes you read right, 

35 000hrs)



D



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		  From: Sarah Tobin <aerobaticgirl(at)yahoo.com>

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To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Anyone know who this is?

Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:03:19 -0800 (PST)



Losin a waiver card is a whole lot better than the alternative.



cjpilot710(at)aol.com wrote:        In a message dated 11/23/2006 1:34:50 P.M. 

Eastern Standard Time, aerobaticgirl(at)yahoo.com writes:



   Yea wryly I do believe I heard he lost his low altitude waiver card.  

They found green grass stains on the prop tips (most likely found brown 

stains in his underwear too) and if it weren't for a depression between the 

runways, he wouldn't have cleared the ground at all.



   Pappy

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2PvcG4Vmyw



   This guy was pancaking there are the end....had it been an Extra 300, it 

wouldn't have climbed out of that.

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ben(at)designselect.net
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: Anyone know who this is?

All jokes aside, that was a chilling display.  The lesson in this is

to have your energy headed away from Mother Earth.  Reverse Cuban Eights are

one of the more dangerous maneuvers close to the ground.  If you blow it,

you are dead, or extremely lucky.  



	Take a look and Dennis and Brian Sander's routine in the Sea Fury.

Each maneuver is sequenced to built momentum and take them away from the

unforgiving.  Incidentally, having gone through the routine with Brien in a

TMK 20, I can tell you it is awesome. And, the question becomes one of why.

Does the crowd really know the difference between and Cuban Eight and a

reverse?  We do, but who's paying the airshow bill?



	Some say, I'd rather be lucky than good.  However, if you've got

your choice, take'm both.



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david(at)mcgirt.net
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:55 am Post subject: Anyone know who this is?

After speaking to another airshow pilot, he liked the maneuver for a couple

of reasons.

1 - it allowed him to conserve as much energy as possible ( he flys a T-6 )

2 - it allows him to "see" the show line and adjust sooner



Just some thoughts from that point, good lessons learned by all though



David



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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:52 am Post subject: Anyone know who this is?

Any over the top maneuver is dangerous when you miss your altitude and/ or

airspeed at the top. Or  if you forget to zero the altimeter, hence missing

your altitude over the top. Turn radius is still turn radius in the

vertical or the horizontal. Still requires energy to complete. Your lift

vector depends on your energy state and that dictates your turn rate. 

Doc

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 From: Ben Marsh <ben(at)designselect.net>

 To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 11/27/2006 9:55:56 AM

 Subject: RE: Anyone know who this is?



 



 	All jokes aside, that was a chilling display.  The lesson in this is

 to have your energy headed away from Mother Earth.  Reverse Cuban Eights

are
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   one of the more dangerous maneuvers close to the ground.  If you blow it,

 you are dead, or extremely lucky.  



 	Take a look and Dennis and Brian Sander's routine in the Sea Fury.

 Each maneuver is sequenced to built momentum and take them away from the

 unforgiving.  Incidentally, having gone through the routine with Brien in

a
	


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		   TMK 20, I can tell you it is awesome. And, the question becomes one of

why.
	


[quote] Does the crowd really know the difference between and Cuban Eight and a

 reverse?  We do, but who's paying the airshow bill?



 	Some say, I'd rather be lucky than good.  However, if you've got

 your choice, take'm both.



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L39parts(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: Anyone know who this is?

Turns in the vertical are one dimensional and turns in the horizontal 

involve two dimensional lift because you have to oppose gravity AND have a 

horizontal "lift" component, so the manuvers are quite different.  The 

engineering term for cornering is P of S and it's a function of speed and g. 

For each aircraft there is ONE speed that will produce the smallest radius 

(with a given weight and density altitude), just like there is one speed 

that will produce the best rate of climb.

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