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 Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict |
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My 2 cents on this issue.
Given the highway robbery B&C wanted for their adapter, I found a very simple solution to changing my oil filter on the first try.
Take a plastic milk carton of the half gallon size.
Eyeball it, then cut off about 1/4 of the bottom end, leaving one side with a 1/2 inch side rail on the 3 sides (keeps oil from overflowing).
Place the cut open end up underneath the oil filter where it meets the engine block (there is room to slide it slightly forward so that the oil will drip directly into the milk carton).
Crack open the filter a bit and let the residual from the filter drain into the milk carton.
In about 10 minutes, as you slowly back the filter off, you will drain 95% of the oil into the milk carton. When it stops draining, remove the milk carton and take the filter off. You will end up with a few spatters below, but very easy to clean off.
Works like a champ, and cost is zilch (assuming you drink milk!)
I did my first one with an empty oil container, and it worked great until the residual overflowed my available space.
The milk carton mod works like a champ and it didn't cost a thing!
grumpy
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In a message dated 11/29/2006 9:03:07 PM Central Standard Time, bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com writes:
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I'm delinquent posting results of this combo, but better late than never I guess.
First, if you want to use the B&C 90 degree oil filter adapter with a Lycoming 540 engine on an RV-10, you also need their 1.4" spacer.
If you want to additionally use the B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad there is an interference issue with the inboard lower screw boss on the SD-20 and the upper inboard corner of the oil filter adapter. I strongly suspect that the interference issue would exist regardless of teh brand of 90 degree oil filter adapter. You have 2 solutions:
1) B&C has a 3/4" spacer kit that also contains replacement studs for the vacuum pad and a replacement shear coupling for the standard SD-20. Don't recall exact price of the spacer kit, but it's $75-100. I have this combo installed on my engine and can verify that it works. The 2.5" spacer on the oil filter adapter will absolutely NOT work with this combination.
2) There is another version of the SD-20 called an SD-20S which is shorter than the standard SD-20. They sell this with a "clocking adapter" that rotates the alternator 45 degrees and moves is aft about 3/4". This was their solution before the spacer above and is what Ed Hayden installed. I don't know the cost.
Of course, you could also install a remote oil filter which wouldn't have any interference issue but would cost more in addition to adding weight, complexity and more hose connections.
A word of caution - clearance is only about 1/8" (.125") between the forward edge of the SD-20 inboard lower screw boss and inboard upper mounting bolt on the oil filter adapter. B&C's oil filter adapter spacer is 1.4" and I see that most others are 1.5".
Attached picture shows the combo (#1 above) installed on my engine. If you look closely just to the right of the alternator and above the engine mount tube you can see the bolt head in front of the screw boss on the alternator. This is the problem area.
Last time I was on their web site B&C didn't have any of the above shown. Bill is the guy to talk to at B&C.
Bob
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| Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:51 pm Post subject: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict |
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I'll see our 2 cents and raise you 2 cents!!!
Use whatever container you can get under the filter. Use a center punch and punch a hole in the side of the filter. Unscrew the filter 1/2 turn. Punch another hole in the filter and allow the filter to drain. After the filter is empty, finish removing it and your 'catch basin'. It'll make it an even cleaner job!!!
Linn
GenGrumpy(at)aol.com (GenGrumpy(at)aol.com) wrote:
[quote] My 2 cents on this issue.
Given the highway robbery B&C wanted for their adapter, I found a very simple solution to changing my oil filter on the first try.
Take a plastic milk carton of the half gallon size.
Eyeball it, then cut off about 1/4 of the bottom end, leaving one side with a 1/2 inch side rail on the 3 sides (keeps oil from overflowing).
Place the cut open end up underneath the oil filter where it meets the engine block (there is room to slide it slightly forward so that the oil will drip directly into the milk carton).
Crack open the filter a bit and let the residual from the filter drain into the milk carton.
In about 10 minutes, as you slowly back the filter off, you will drain 95% of the oil into the milk carton. When it stops draining, remove the milk carton and take the filter off. You will end up with a few spatters below, but very easy to clean off.
Works like a champ, and cost is zilch (assuming you drink milk!)
I did my first one with an empty oil container, and it worked great until the residual overflowed my available space.
The milk carton mod works like a champ and it didn't cost a thing!
grumpy
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In a message dated 11/29/2006 9:03:07 PM Central Standard Time, bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com) writes:
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I'm delinquent posting results of this combo, but better late than never I guess.
First, if you want to use the B&C 90 degree oil filter adapter with a Lycoming 540 engine on an RV-10, you also need their 1.4" spacer.
If you want to additionally use the B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad there is an interference issue with the inboard lower screw boss on the SD-20 and the upper inboard corner of the oil filter adapter. I strongly suspect that the interference issue would exist regardless of teh brand of 90 degree oil filter adapter. You have 2 solutions:
1) B&C has a 3/4" spacer kit that also contains replacement studs for the vacuum pad and a replacement shear coupling for the standard SD-20. Don't recall exact price of the spacer kit, but it's $75-100. I have this combo installed on my engine and can verify that it works. The 2.5" spacer on the oil filter adapter will absolutely NOT work with this combination.
2) There is another version of the SD-20 called an SD-20S which is shorter than the standard SD-20. They sell this with a "clocking adapter" that rotates the alternator 45 degrees and moves is aft about 3/4". This was their solution before the spacer above and is what Ed Hayden installed. I don't know the cost.
Of course, you could also install a remote oil filter which wouldn't have any interference issue but would cost more in addition to adding weight, complexity and more hose connections.
A word of caution - clearance is only about 1/8" (.125") between the forward edge of the SD-20 inboard lower screw boss and inboard upper mounting bolt on the oil filter adapter. B&C's oil filter adapter spacer is 1.4" and I see that most others are 1.5".
Attached picture shows the combo (#1 above) installed on my engine. If you look closely just to the right of the alternator and above the engine mount tube you can see the bolt head in front of the screw boss on the alternator. This is the problem area.
Last time I was on their web site B&C didn't have any of the above shown. Bill is the guy to talk to at B&C.
Bob
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:24 am Post subject: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict |
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I'll see your 4 cents and raise it another 4:
Avery has a gizmo with a hose clamp, an adopter and a hose that works like Linn's. You punch the hole on top, attach the gizmo, turn the filter with the hose facing down and out comes the oil into whatever jug you have placed on the ground!
Rob Kermanj
On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:52 PM, linn Walters wrote:
[quote] I'll see our 2 cents and raise you 2 cents!!!
Use whatever container you can get under the filter. Use a center punch and punch a hole in the side of the filter. Unscrew the filter 1/2 turn. Punch another hole in the filter and allow the filter to drain. After the filter is empty, finish removing it and your 'catch basin'. It'll make it an even cleaner job!!!
Linn
GenGrumpy(at)aol.com (GenGrumpy(at)aol.com) wrote:
| Quote: | My 2 cents on this issue.
Given the highway robbery B&C wanted for their adapter, I found a very simple solution to changing my oil filter on the first try.
Take a plastic milk carton of the half gallon size.
Eyeball it, then cut off about 1/4 of the bottom end, leaving one side with a 1/2 inch side rail on the 3 sides (keeps oil from overflowing).
Place the cut open end up underneath the oil filter where it meets the engine block (there is room to slide it slightly forward so that the oil will drip directly into the milk carton).
Crack open the filter a bit and let the residual from the filter drain into the milk carton.
In about 10 minutes, as you slowly back the filter off, you will drain 95% of the oil into the milk carton. When it stops draining, remove the milk carton and take the filter off. You will end up with a few spatters below, but very easy to clean off.
Works like a champ, and cost is zilch (assuming you drink milk!)
I did my first one with an empty oil container, and it worked great until the residual overflowed my available space.
The milk carton mod works like a champ and it didn't cost a thing!
grumpy
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In a message dated 11/29/2006 9:03:07 PM Central Standard Time, bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com) writes:
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I'm delinquent posting results of this combo, but better late than never I guess.
First, if you want to use the B&C 90 degree oil filter adapter with a Lycoming 540 engine on an RV-10, you also need their 1.4" spacer.
If you want to additionally use the B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad there is an interference issue with the inboard lower screw boss on the SD-20 and the upper inboard corner of the oil filter adapter. I strongly suspect that the interference issue would exist regardless of teh brand of 90 degree oil filter adapter. You have 2 solutions:
1) B&C has a 3/4" spacer kit that also contains replacement studs for the vacuum pad and a replacement shear coupling for the standard SD-20. Don't recall exact price of the spacer kit, but it's $75-100. I have this combo installed on my engine and can verify that it works. The 2.5" spacer on the oil filter adapter will absolutely NOT work with this combination.
2) There is another version of the SD-20 called an SD-20S which is shorter than the standard SD-20. They sell this with a "clocking adapter" that rotates the alternator 45 degrees and moves is aft about 3/4". This was their solution before the spacer above and is what Ed Hayden installed. I don't know the cost.
Of course, you could also install a remote oil filter which wouldn't have any interference issue but would cost more in addition to adding weight, complexity and more hose connections.
A word of caution - clearance is only about 1/8" (.125") between the forward edge of the SD-20 inboard lower screw boss and inboard upper mounting bolt on the oil filter adapter. B&C's oil filter adapter spacer is 1.4" and I see that most others are 1.5".
Attached picture shows the combo (#1 above) installed on my engine. If you look closely just to the right of the alternator and above the engine mount tube you can see the bolt head in front of the screw boss on the alternator. This is the problem area.
Last time I was on their web site B&C didn't have any of the above shown. Bill is the guy to talk to at B&C.
Bob
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:58 am Post subject: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict |
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The easiest way to prevent oil spillage is punch a hole in the oil filter on top and blow compressed air into the filter thus pushing oil into the engine and removing oil from the filter. Learned that one last year by an a/p in Costa Rica. Jim
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From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net>
Date: 2006/11/29 Wed PM 10:52:36 EST
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Subject: Re: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict
I'll see our 2 cents and raise you 2 cents!!!
Use whatever container you can get under the filter. Use a center punch
and punch a hole in the side of the filter. Unscrew the filter 1/2
turn. Punch another hole in the filter and allow the filter to drain.
After the filter is empty, finish removing it and your 'catch basin'.
It'll make it an even cleaner job!!!
Linn
GenGrumpy(at)aol.com wrote:
> My 2 cents on this issue.
>
> Given the highway robbery B&C wanted for their adapter, I found a very
> simple solution to changing my oil filter on the first try.
>
> Take a plastic milk carton of the half gallon size.
>
> Eyeball it, then cut off about 1/4 of the bottom end, leaving one side
> with a 1/2 inch side rail on the 3 sides (keeps oil from overflowing).
>
> Place the cut open end up underneath the oil filter where it meets the
> engine block (there is room to slide it slightly forward so that the
> oil will drip directly into the milk carton).
>
> Crack open the filter a bit and let the residual from the filter drain
> into the milk carton.
>
> In about 10 minutes, as you slowly back the filter off, you will drain
> 95% of the oil into the milk carton. When it stops draining, remove
> the milk carton and take the filter off. You will end up with a few
> spatters below, but very easy to clean off.
>
> Works like a champ, and cost is zilch (assuming you drink milk!)
>
> I did my first one with an empty oil container, and it worked great
> until the residual overflowed my available space.
>
> The milk carton mod works like a champ and it didn't cost a thing!
>
> grumpy
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> In a message dated 11/29/2006 9:03:07 PM Central Standard Time,
> bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com writes:
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> <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>
>
> I'm delinquent posting results of this combo, but better late than
> never I guess.
>
> First, if you want to use the B&C 90 degree oil filter adapter
> with a Lycoming 540 engine on an RV-10, you also need their 1.4"
> spacer.
>
> If you want to additionally use the B&C SD-20 alternator on the
> vacuum pad there is an interference issue with the inboard lower
> screw boss on the SD-20 and the upper inboard corner of the oil
> filter adapter. I strongly suspect that the interference issue
> would exist regardless of teh brand of 90 degree oil filter
> adapter. You have 2 solutions:
>
> 1) B&C has a 3/4" spacer kit that also contains replacement studs
> for the vacuum pad and a replacement shear coupling for the
> standard SD-20. Don't recall exact price of the spacer kit, but
> it's $75-100. I have this combo installed on my engine and can
> verify that it works. The 2.5" spacer on the oil filter adapter
> will absolutely NOT work with this combination.
>
> 2) There is another version of the SD-20 called an SD-20S which is
> shorter than the standard SD-20. They sell this with a "clocking
> adapter" that rotates the alternator 45 degrees and moves is aft
> about 3/4". This was their solution before the spacer above and
> is what Ed Hayden installed. I don't know the cost.
>
> Of course, you could also install a remote oil filter which
> wouldn't have any interference issue but would cost more in
> addition to adding weight, complexity and more hose connections.
>
> A word of caution - clearance is only about 1/8" (.125") between
> the forward edge of the SD-20 inboard lower screw boss and inboard
> upper mounting bolt on the oil filter adapter. B&C's oil filter
> adapter spacer is 1.4" and I see that most others are 1.5".
>
> Attached picture shows the combo (#1 above) installed on my
> engine. If you look closely just to the right of the alternator
> and above the engine mount tube you can see the bolt head in front
> of the screw boss on the alternator. This is the problem area.
>
> Last time I was on their web site B&C didn't have any of the above
> shown. Bill is the guy to talk to at B&C.
>
> Bob
> RV-10 #40105
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict |
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Ante up everybody!!!
The Avery 'thingy' (highly technical term  ) would also benefit from a second hole opposite the hose to allow air into the filter while it drains.
do not archive
Linn
Rob Kermanj wrote:
[quote]I'll see your 4 cents and raise it another 4:
Avery has a gizmo with a hose clamp, an adopter and a hose that works like Linn's. You punch the hole on top, attach the gizmo, turn the filter with the hose facing down and out comes the oil into whatever jug you have placed on the ground!
Rob Kermanj
On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:52 PM, linn Walters wrote:
| Quote: | I'll see our 2 cents and raise you 2 cents!!!
Use whatever container you can get under the filter. Use a center punch and punch a hole in the side of the filter. Unscrew the filter 1/2 turn. Punch another hole in the filter and allow the filter to drain. After the filter is empty, finish removing it and your 'catch basin'. It'll make it an even cleaner job!!!
Linn
GenGrumpy(at)aol.com (GenGrumpy(at)aol.com) wrote:
| Quote: | My 2 cents on this issue.
Given the highway robbery B&C wanted for their adapter, I found a very simple solution to changing my oil filter on the first try.
Take a plastic milk carton of the half gallon size.
Eyeball it, then cut off about 1/4 of the bottom end, leaving one side with a 1/2 inch side rail on the 3 sides (keeps oil from overflowing).
Place the cut open end up underneath the oil filter where it meets the engine block (there is room to slide it slightly forward so that the oil will drip directly into the milk carton).
Crack open the filter a bit and let the residual from the filter drain into the milk carton.
In about 10 minutes, as you slowly back the filter off, you will drain 95% of the oil into the milk carton. When it stops draining, remove the milk carton and take the filter off. You will end up with a few spatters below, but very easy to clean off.
Works like a champ, and cost is zilch (assuming you drink milk!)
I did my first one with an empty oil container, and it worked great until the residual overflowed my available space.
The milk carton mod works like a champ and it didn't cost a thing!
grumpy
#40404
In a message dated 11/29/2006 9:03:07 PM Central Standard Time, bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com) writes:
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I'm delinquent posting results of this combo, but better late than never I guess.
First, if you want to use the B&C 90 degree oil filter adapter with a Lycoming 540 engine on an RV-10, you also need their 1.4" spacer.
If you want to additionally use the B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad there is an interference issue with the inboard lower screw boss on the SD-20 and the upper inboard corner of the oil filter adapter. I strongly suspect that the interference issue would exist regardless of teh brand of 90 degree oil filter adapter. You have 2 solutions:
1) B&C has a 3/4" spacer kit that also contains replacement studs for the vacuum pad and a replacement shear coupling for the standard SD-20. Don't recall exact price of the spacer kit, but it's $75-100. I have this combo installed on my engine and can verify that it works. The 2.5" spacer on the oil filter adapter will absolutely NOT work with this combination.
2) There is another version of the SD-20 called an SD-20S which is shorter than the standard SD-20. They sell this with a "clocking adapter" that rotates the alternator 45 degrees and moves is aft about 3/4". This was their solution before the spacer above and is what Ed Hayden installed. I don't know the cost.
Of course, you could also install a remote oil filter which wouldn't have any interference issue but would cost more in addition to adding weight, complexity and more hose connections.
A word of caution - clearance is only about 1/8" (.125") between the forward edge of the SD-20 inboard lower screw boss and inboard upper mounting bolt on the oil filter adapter. B&C's oil filter adapter spacer is 1.4" and I see that most others are 1.5".
Attached picture shows the combo (#1 above) installed on my engine. If you look closely just to the right of the alternator and above the engine mount tube you can see the bolt head in front of the screw boss on the alternator. This is the problem area.
Last time I was on their web site B&C didn't have any of the above shown. Bill is the guy to talk to at B&C.
Bob
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| Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict |
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As creative as the various solutions are to prevent spillage and mess, my intent isn’t to try to convince anybody to use this solution or not. I read the RVator that showed up yesterday and there was an article about 90 degree oil filter adapters, fit complications and spacer size. Additionally, Van’s is not selling a 90 degree oil filter adapter so I suspect the proliferation of questions and issues with that will begin shortly. Earlier I had said that I’d report back on the final solution for the B&C install and the article simply reminded me that I hadn’t.
Most people have probably just left the stock oil filter configuration as-is and for those, all of the suggestions to reduce mess are wonderful!
Bob
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Ante up everybody!!!
The Avery 'thingy' (highly technical term ) would also benefit from a second hole opposite the hose to allow air into the filter while it drains.
do not archive
Linn
Rob Kermanj wrote:
I'll see your 4 cents and raise it another 4:
Avery has a gizmo with a hose clamp, an adopter and a hose that works like Linn's. You punch the hole on top, attach the gizmo, turn the filter with the hose facing down and out comes the oil into whatever jug you have placed on the ground!
Rob Kermanj
On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:52 PM, linn Walters wrote:
I'll see our 2 cents and raise you 2 cents!!!
Use whatever container you can get under the filter. Use a center punch and punch a hole in the side of the filter. Unscrew the filter 1/2 turn. Punch another hole in the filter and allow the filter to drain. After the filter is empty, finish removing it and your 'catch basin'. It'll make it an even cleaner job!!!
Linn
GenGrumpy(at)aol.com (GenGrumpy(at)aol.com) wrote:
My 2 cents on this issue.
Given the highway robbery B&C wanted for their adapter, I found a very simple solution to changing my oil filter on the first try.
Take a plastic milk carton of the half gallon size.
Eyeball it, then cut off about 1/4 of the bottom end, leaving one side with a 1/2 inch side rail on the 3 sides (keeps oil from overflowing).
Place the cut open end up underneath the oil filter where it meets the engine block (there is room to slide it slightly forward so that the oil will drip directly into the milk carton).
Crack open the filter a bit and let the residual from the filter drain into the milk carton.
In about 10 minutes, as you slowly back the filter off, you will drain 95% of the oil into the milk carton. When it stops draining, remove the milk carton and take the filter off. You will end up with a few spatters below, but very easy to clean off.
Works like a champ, and cost is zilch (assuming you drink milk!)
I did my first one with an empty oil container, and it worked great until the residual overflowed my available space.
The milk carton mod works like a champ and it didn't cost a thing!
grumpy
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In a message dated 11/29/2006 9:03:07 PM Central Standard Time, bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com) writes:
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I'm delinquent posting results of this combo, but better late than never I guess.
First, if you want to use the B&C 90 degree oil filter adapter with a Lycoming 540 engine on an RV-10, you also need their 1.4" spacer.
If you want to additionally use the B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad there is an interference issue with the inboard lower screw boss on the SD-20 and the upper inboard corner of the oil filter adapter. I strongly suspect that the interference issue would exist regardless of teh brand of 90 degree oil filter adapter. You have 2 solutions:
1) B&C has a 3/4" spacer kit that also contains replacement studs for the vacuum pad and a replacement shear coupling for the standard SD-20. Don't recall exact price of the spacer kit, but it's $75-100. I have this combo installed on my engine and can verify that it works. The 2.5" spacer on the oil filter adapter will absolutely NOT work with this combination.
2) There is another version of the SD-20 called an SD-20S which is shorter than the standard SD-20. They sell this with a "clocking adapter" that rotates the alternator 45 degrees and moves is aft about 3/4". This was their solution before the spacer above and is what Ed Hayden installed. I don't know the cost.
Of course, you could also install a remote oil filter which wouldn't have any interference issue but would cost more in addition to adding weight, complexity and more hose connections.
A word of caution - clearance is only about 1/8" (.125") between the forward edge of the SD-20 inboard lower screw boss and inboard upper mounting bolt on the oil filter adapter. B&C's oil filter adapter spacer is 1.4" and I see that most others are 1.5".
Attached picture shows the combo (#1 above) installed on my engine. If you look closely just to the right of the alternator and above the engine mount tube you can see the bolt head in front of the screw boss on the alternator. This is the problem area.
Last time I was on their web site B&C didn't have any of the above shown. Bill is the guy to talk to at B&C.
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See your 0.08 and raise you a 0.25. How about a remote mount filter? 
Michael
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I'll see your 4 cents and raise it another 4:
Avery has a gizmo with a hose clamp, an adopter and a hose that works like Linn's. You punch the hole on top, attach the gizmo, turn the filter with the hose facing down and out comes the oil into whatever jug you have placed on the ground!
Rob Kermanj
On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:52 PM, linn Walters wrote:
[quote]I'll see our 2 cents and raise you 2 cents!!!
Use whatever container you can get under the filter. Use a center punch and punch a hole in the side of the filter. Unscrew the filter 1/2 turn. Punch another hole in the filter and allow the filter to drain. After the filter is empty, finish removing it and your 'catch basin'. It'll make it an even cleaner job!!!
Linn
GenGrumpy(at)aol.com (GenGrumpy(at)aol.com) wrote:
| Quote: | My 2 cents on this issue.
Given the highway robbery B&C wanted for their adapter, I found a very simple solution to changing my oil filter on the first try.
Take a plastic milk carton of the half gallon size.
Eyeball it, then cut off about 1/4 of the bottom end, leaving one side with a 1/2 inch side rail on the 3 sides (keeps oil from overflowing).
Place the cut open end up underneath the oil filter where it meets the engine block (there is room to slide it slightly forward so that the oil will drip directly into the milk carton).
Crack open the filter a bit and let the residual from the filter drain into the milk carton.
In about 10 minutes, as you slowly back the filter off, you will drain 95% of the oil into the milk carton. When it stops draining, remove the milk carton and take the filter off. You will end up with a few spatters below, but very easy to clean off.
Works like a champ, and cost is zilch (assuming you drink milk!)
I did my first one with an empty oil container, and it worked great until the residual overflowed my available space.
The milk carton mod works like a champ and it didn't cost a thing!
grumpy
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I'm delinquent posting results of this combo, but better late than never I guess.
First, if you want to use the B&C 90 degree oil filter adapter with a Lycoming 540 engine on an RV-10, you also need their 1.4" spacer.
If you want to additionally use the B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad there is an interference issue with the inboard lower screw boss on the SD-20 and the upper inboard corner of the oil filter adapter. I strongly suspect that the interference issue would exist regardless of teh brand of 90 degree oil filter adapter. You have 2 solutions:
1) B&C has a 3/4" spacer kit that also contains replacement studs for the vacuum pad and a replacement shear coupling for the standard SD-20. Don't recall exact price of the spacer kit, but it's $75-100. I have this combo installed on my engine and can verify that it works. The 2.5" spacer on the oil filter adapter will absolutely NOT work with this combination.
2) There is another version of the SD-20 called an SD-20S which is shorter than the standard SD-20. They sell this with a "clocking adapter" that rotates the alternator 45 degrees and moves is aft about 3/4". This was their solution before the spacer above and is what Ed Hayden installed. I don't know the cost.
Of course, you could also install a remote oil filter which wouldn't have any interference issue but would cost more in addition to adding weight, complexity and more hose connections.
A word of caution - clearance is only about 1/8" (.125") between the forward edge of the SD-20 inboard lower screw boss and inboard upper mounting bolt on the oil filter adapter. B&C's oil filter adapter spacer is 1.4" and I see that most others are 1.5".
Attached picture shows the combo (#1 above) installed on my engine. If you look closely just to the right of the alternator and above the engine mount tube you can see the bolt head in front of the screw boss on the alternator. This is the problem area.
Last time I was on their web site B&C didn't have any of the above shown. Bill is the guy to talk to at B&C.
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Correction: Van’s IS NOW selling a 90 degree oil filter adapter.
Bob
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As creative as the various solutions are to prevent spillage and mess, my intent isn’t to try to convince anybody to use this solution or not. I read the RVator that showed up yesterday and there was an article about 90 degree oil filter adapters, fit complications and spacer size. Additionally, Van’s is not selling a 90 degree oil filter adapter so I suspect the proliferation of questions and issues with that will begin shortly. Earlier I had said that I’d report back on the final solution for the B&C install and the article simply reminded me that I hadn’t.
Most people have probably just left the stock oil filter configuration as-is and for those, all of the suggestions to reduce mess are wonderful!
Bob
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Ante up everybody!!!
The Avery 'thingy' (highly technical term ) would also benefit from a second hole opposite the hose to allow air into the filter while it drains.
do not archive
Linn
Rob Kermanj wrote:
I'll see your 4 cents and raise it another 4:
Avery has a gizmo with a hose clamp, an adopter and a hose that works like Linn's. You punch the hole on top, attach the gizmo, turn the filter with the hose facing down and out comes the oil into whatever jug you have placed on the ground!
Rob Kermanj
On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:52 PM, linn Walters wrote:
I'll see our 2 cents and raise you 2 cents!!!
Use whatever container you can get under the filter. Use a center punch and punch a hole in the side of the filter. Unscrew the filter 1/2 turn. Punch another hole in the filter and allow the filter to drain. After the filter is empty, finish removing it and your 'catch basin'. It'll make it an even cleaner job!!!
Linn
GenGrumpy(at)aol.com (GenGrumpy(at)aol.com) wrote:
My 2 cents on this issue.
Given the highway robbery B&C wanted for their adapter, I found a very simple solution to changing my oil filter on the first try.
Take a plastic milk carton of the half gallon size.
Eyeball it, then cut off about 1/4 of the bottom end, leaving one side with a 1/2 inch side rail on the 3 sides (keeps oil from overflowing).
Place the cut open end up underneath the oil filter where it meets the engine block (there is room to slide it slightly forward so that the oil will drip directly into the milk carton).
Crack open the filter a bit and let the residual from the filter drain into the milk carton.
In about 10 minutes, as you slowly back the filter off, you will drain 95% of the oil into the milk carton. When it stops draining, remove the milk carton and take the filter off. You will end up with a few spatters below, but very easy to clean off.
Works like a champ, and cost is zilch (assuming you drink milk!)
I did my first one with an empty oil container, and it worked great until the residual overflowed my available space.
The milk carton mod works like a champ and it didn't cost a thing!
grumpy
#40404
In a message dated 11/29/2006 9:03:07 PM Central Standard Time, bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com) writes:
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I'm delinquent posting results of this combo, but better late than never I guess.
First, if you want to use the B&C 90 degree oil filter adapter with a Lycoming 540 engine on an RV-10, you also need their 1.4" spacer.
If you want to additionally use the B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad there is an interference issue with the inboard lower screw boss on the SD-20 and the upper inboard corner of the oil filter adapter. I strongly suspect that the interference issue would exist regardless of teh brand of 90 degree oil filter adapter. You have 2 solutions:
1) B&C has a 3/4" spacer kit that also contains replacement studs for the vacuum pad and a replacement shear coupling for the standard SD-20. Don't recall exact price of the spacer kit, but it's $75-100. I have this combo installed on my engine and can verify that it works. The 2.5" spacer on the oil filter adapter will absolutely NOT work with this combination.
2) There is another version of the SD-20 called an SD-20S which is shorter than the standard SD-20. They sell this with a "clocking adapter" that rotates the alternator 45 degrees and moves is aft about 3/4". This was their solution before the spacer above and is what Ed Hayden installed. I don't know the cost.
Of course, you could also install a remote oil filter which wouldn't have any interference issue but would cost more in addition to adding weight, complexity and more hose connections.
A word of caution - clearance is only about 1/8" (.125") between the forward edge of the SD-20 inboard lower screw boss and inboard upper mounting bolt on the oil filter adapter. B&C's oil filter adapter spacer is 1.4" and I see that most others are 1.5".
Attached picture shows the combo (#1 above) installed on my engine. If you look closely just to the right of the alternator and above the engine mount tube you can see the bolt head in front of the screw boss on the alternator. This is the problem area.
Last time I was on their web site B&C didn't have any of the above shown. Bill is the guy to talk to at B&C.
Bob
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But if you don’t have room for the milk jug underneath it is really hard to keep clean. It can help having a plastic bag, but then the filter is harder to remove. Either way, the angle adapter is SWEET to work with. Punch a couple of holes in the filter, wait 10 minutes or so, and the filter comes right off dry as a bone. Having done both, I would definitely go with the adapter. The Mattituck engine came with an adapter that isn’t B&C’s. I wonder how much they sell it for.
Do not archive.
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Subject: Re: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict
My 2 cents on this issue.
Given the highway robbery B&C wanted for their adapter, I found a very simple solution to changing my oil filter on the first try.
Take a plastic milk carton of the half gallon size.
Eyeball it, then cut off about 1/4 of the bottom end, leaving one side with a 1/2 inch side rail on the 3 sides (keeps oil from overflowing).
Place the cut open end up underneath the oil filter where it meets the engine block (there is room to slide it slightly forward so that the oil will drip directly into the milk carton).
Crack open the filter a bit and let the residual from the filter drain into the milk carton.
In about 10 minutes, as you slowly back the filter off, you will drain 95% of the oil into the milk carton. When it stops draining, remove the milk carton and take the filter off. You will end up with a few spatters below, but very easy to clean off.
Works like a champ, and cost is zilch (assuming you drink milk!)
I did my first one with an empty oil container, and it worked great until the residual overflowed my available space.
The milk carton mod works like a champ and it didn't cost a thing!
grumpy
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I'm delinquent posting results of this combo, but better late than never I guess.
First, if you want to use the B&C 90 degree oil filter adapter with a Lycoming 540 engine on an RV-10, you also need their 1.4" spacer.
If you want to additionally use the B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad there is an interference issue with the inboard lower screw boss on the SD-20 and the upper inboard corner of the oil filter adapter. I strongly suspect that the interference issue would exist regardless of teh brand of 90 degree oil filter adapter. You have 2 solutions:
1) B&C has a 3/4" spacer kit that also contains replacement studs for the vacuum pad and a replacement shear coupling for the standard SD-20. Don't recall exact price of the spacer kit, but it's $75-100. I have this combo installed on my engine and can verify that it works. The 2.5" spacer on the oil filter adapter will absolutely NOT work with this combination.
2) There is another version of the SD-20 called an SD-20S which is shorter than the standard SD-20. They sell this with a "clocking adapter" that rotates the alternator 45 degrees and moves is aft about 3/4". This was their solution before the spacer above and is what Ed Hayden installed. I don't know the cost.
Of course, you could also install a remote oil filter which wouldn't have any interference issue but would cost more in addition to adding weight, complexity and more hose connections.
A word of caution - clearance is only about 1/8" (.125") between the forward edge of the SD-20 inboard lower screw boss and inboard upper mounting bolt on the oil filter adapter. B&C's oil filter adapter spacer is 1.4" and I see that most others are 1.5".
Attached picture shows the combo (#1 above) installed on my engine. If you look closely just to the right of the alternator and above the engine mount tube you can see the bolt head in front of the screw boss on the alternator. This is the problem area.
Last time I was on their web site B&C didn't have any of the above shown. Bill is the guy to talk to at B&C.
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Or, if you belong to the CheapBastard(TM) flavor of aviation, you
simply allow the oil to drain overnight in the hangar, place a few
semi-used paper towels under the filter for removal, and they soak up
the tablespoon or so of oil that comes out as you remove filter. Has
worked for me for years on my Lyc powered Mooney.
On 11/30/06, linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
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The Avery 'thingy' (highly technical term ) would also benefit from a
second hole opposite the hose to allow air into the filter while it drains.
do not archive
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My only objection to a remote filter is the extra hoses and connections creating potential leak sources.
do not archive Rob Kermanj
On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:28 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
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Michael
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Subject: Re: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict
I'll see your 4 cents and raise it another 4:
Avery has a gizmo with a hose clamp, an adopter and a hose that works like Linn's. You punch the hole on top, attach the gizmo, turn the filter with the hose facing down and out comes the oil into whatever jug you have placed on the ground!
Rob Kermanj
On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:52 PM, linn Walters wrote:
| Quote: | I'll see our 2 cents and raise you 2 cents!!!
Use whatever container you can get under the filter. Use a center punch and punch a hole in the side of the filter. Unscrew the filter 1/2 turn. Punch another hole in the filter and allow the filter to drain. After the filter is empty, finish removing it and your 'catch basin'. It'll make it an even cleaner job!!!
Linn
GenGrumpy(at)aol.com (GenGrumpy(at)aol.com) wrote:
| Quote: | My 2 cents on this issue.
Given the highway robbery B&C wanted for their adapter, I found a very simple solution to changing my oil filter on the first try.
Take a plastic milk carton of the half gallon size.
Eyeball it, then cut off about 1/4 of the bottom end, leaving one side with a 1/2 inch side rail on the 3 sides (keeps oil from overflowing).
Place the cut open end up underneath the oil filter where it meets the engine block (there is room to slide it slightly forward so that the oil will drip directly into the milk carton).
Crack open the filter a bit and let the residual from the filter drain into the milk carton.
In about 10 minutes, as you slowly back the filter off, you will drain 95% of the oil into the milk carton. When it stops draining, remove the milk carton and take the filter off. You will end up with a few spatters below, but very easy to clean off.
Works like a champ, and cost is zilch (assuming you drink milk!)
I did my first one with an empty oil container, and it worked great until the residual overflowed my available space.
The milk carton mod works like a champ and it didn't cost a thing!
grumpy
#40404
In a message dated 11/29/2006 9:03:07 PM Central Standard Time, bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com) writes:
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I'm delinquent posting results of this combo, but better late than never I guess.
First, if you want to use the B&C 90 degree oil filter adapter with a Lycoming 540 engine on an RV-10, you also need their 1.4" spacer.
If you want to additionally use the B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad there is an interference issue with the inboard lower screw boss on the SD-20 and the upper inboard corner of the oil filter adapter. I strongly suspect that the interference issue would exist regardless of teh brand of 90 degree oil filter adapter. You have 2 solutions:
1) B&C has a 3/4" spacer kit that also contains replacement studs for the vacuum pad and a replacement shear coupling for the standard SD-20. Don't recall exact price of the spacer kit, but it's $75-100. I have this combo installed on my engine and can verify that it works. The 2.5" spacer on the oil filter adapter will absolutely NOT work with this combination.
2) There is another version of the SD-20 called an SD-20S which is shorter than the standard SD-20. They sell this with a "clocking adapter" that rotates the alternator 45 degrees and moves is aft about 3/4". This was their solution before the spacer above and is what Ed Hayden installed. I don't know the cost.
Of course, you could also install a remote oil filter which wouldn't have any interference issue but would cost more in addition to adding weight, complexity and more hose connections.
A word of caution - clearance is only about 1/8" (.125") between the forward edge of the SD-20 inboard lower screw boss and inboard upper mounting bolt on the oil filter adapter. B&C's oil filter adapter spacer is 1.4" and I see that most others are 1.5".
Attached picture shows the combo (#1 above) installed on my engine. If you look closely just to the right of the alternator and above the engine mount tube you can see the bolt head in front of the screw boss on the alternator. This is the problem area.
Last time I was on their web site B&C didn't have any of the above shown. Bill is the guy to talk to at B&C.
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ECI has an adopter for under $200.
do not archive
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But if you don’t have room for the milk jug underneath it is really hard to keep clean. It can help having a plastic bag, but then the filter is harder to remove. Either way, the angle adapter is SWEET to work with. Punch a couple of holes in the filter, wait 10 minutes or so, and the filter comes right off dry as a bone. Having done both, I would definitely go with the adapter. The Mattituck engine came with an adapter that isn’t B&C’s. I wonder how much they sell it for.
Do not archive.
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My 2 cents on this issue.
Given the highway robbery B&C wanted for their adapter, I found a very simple solution to changing my oil filter on the first try.
Take a plastic milk carton of the half gallon size.
Eyeball it, then cut off about 1/4 of the bottom end, leaving one side with a 1/2 inch side rail on the 3 sides (keeps oil from overflowing).
Place the cut open end up underneath the oil filter where it meets the engine block (there is room to slide it slightly forward so that the oil will drip directly into the milk carton).
Crack open the filter a bit and let the residual from the filter drain into the milk carton.
In about 10 minutes, as you slowly back the filter off, you will drain 95% of the oil into the milk carton. When it stops draining, remove the milk carton and take the filter off. You will end up with a few spatters below, but very easy to clean off.
Works like a champ, and cost is zilch (assuming you drink milk!)
I did my first one with an empty oil container, and it worked great until the residual overflowed my available space.
The milk carton mod works like a champ and it didn't cost a thing!
grumpy
#40404
In a message dated 11/29/2006 9:03:07 PM Central Standard Time, bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com) writes:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com)>I'm delinquent posting results of this combo, but better late than never I guess.First, if you want to use the B&C 90 degree oil filter adapter with a Lycoming 540 engine on an RV-10, you also need their 1.4" spacer.If you want to additionally use the B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad there is an interference issue with the inboard lower screw boss on the SD-20 and the upper inboard corner of the oil filter adapter. I strongly suspect that the interference issue would exist regardless of teh brand of 90 degree oil filter adapter. You have 2 solutions:1) B&C has a 3/4" spacer kit that also contains replacement studs for the vacuum pad and a replacement shear coupling for the standard SD-20. Don't recall exact price of the spacer kit, but it's $75-100. I have this combo installed on my engine and can verify that it works. The 2.5" spacer on the oil filter adapter will absolutely NOT work with this combination.2) There is another version of the SD-20 called an SD-20S which is shorter than the standard SD-20. They sell this with a "clocking adapter" that rotates the alternator 45 degrees and moves is aft about 3/4". This was their solution before the spacer above and is what Ed Hayden installed. I don't know the cost.Of course, you could also install a remote oil filter which wouldn't have any interference issue but would cost more in addition to adding weight, complexity and more hose connections.A word of caution - clearance is only about 1/8" (.125") between the forward edge of the SD-20 inboard lower screw boss and inboard upper mounting bolt on the oil filter adapter. B&C's oil filter adapter spacer is 1.4" and I see that most others are 1.5". Attached picture shows the combo (#1 above) installed on my engine. If you look closely just to the right of the alternator and above the engine mount tube you can see the bolt head in front of the screw boss on the alternator. This is the problem area.Last time I was on their web site B&C didn't have any of the above shown. Bill is the guy to talk to at B&C.BobRV-10 #40105 www.aeroelectric.com |
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I have the B&C oil filter angle adapter and as Jesse posted just punch a
hole in the filter and wait ten - twenty minutes and the filter will drain
with no mess when removing.
The angle adapter and quick drain makes changing oil a piece of cake.
Mark (N410MR)
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Subject: RE: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:33:56 -0500
But if you don’t have room for the milk jug underneath it is really hard to
keep clean. It can help having a plastic bag, but then the filter is
harder
to remove. Either way, the angle adapter is SWEET to work with. Punch a
couple of holes in the filter, wait 10 minutes or so, and the filter comes
right off dry as a bone. Having done both, I would definitely go with the
adapter. The Mattituck engine came with an adapter that isn’t B&C’s. I
wonder how much they sell it for.
Do not archive.
Jesse Saint
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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:17 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict
My 2 cents on this issue.
Given the highway robbery B&C wanted for their adapter, I found a very
simple solution to changing my oil filter on the first try.
Take a plastic milk carton of the half gallon size.
Eyeball it, then cut off about 1/4 of the bottom end, leaving one side with
a 1/2 inch side rail on the 3 sides (keeps oil from overflowing).
Place the cut open end up underneath the oil filter where it meets the
engine block (there is room to slide it slightly forward so that the oil
will drip directly into the milk carton).
Crack open the filter a bit and let the residual from the filter drain into
the milk carton.
In about 10 minutes, as you slowly back the filter off, you will drain 95%
of the oil into the milk carton. When it stops draining, remove the milk
carton and take the filter off. You will end up with a few spatters below,
but very easy to clean off.
Works like a champ, and cost is zilch (assuming you drink milk!)
I did my first one with an empty oil container, and it worked great until
the residual overflowed my available space.
The milk carton mod works like a champ and it didn't cost a thing!
grumpy
#40404
In a message dated 11/29/2006 9:03:07 PM Central Standard Time,
bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com writes:
I'm delinquent posting results of this combo, but better late than never I
guess.
First, if you want to use the B&C 90 degree oil filter adapter with a
Lycoming 540 engine on an RV-10, you also need their 1.4" spacer.
If you want to additionally use the B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad
there is an interference issue with the inboard lower screw boss on the
SD-20 and the upper inboard corner of the oil filter adapter. I strongly
suspect that the interference issue would exist regardless of teh brand of
90 degree oil filter adapter. You have 2 solutions:
1) B&C has a 3/4" spacer kit that also contains replacement studs for the
vacuum pad and a replacement shear coupling for the standard SD-20. Don't
recall exact price of the spacer kit, but it's $75-100. I have this combo
installed on my engine and can verify that it works. The 2.5" spacer on
the
oil filter adapter will absolutely NOT work with this combination.
2) There is another version of the SD-20 called an SD-20S which is shorter
than the standard SD-20. They sell this with a "clocking adapter" that
rotates the alternator 45 degrees and moves is aft about 3/4". This was
their solution before the spacer above and is what Ed Hayden installed. I
don't know the cost.
Of course, you could also install a remote oil filter which wouldn't have
any interference issue but would cost more in addition to adding weight,
complexity and more hose connections.
A word of caution - clearance is only about 1/8" (.125") between the
forward
edge of the SD-20 inboard lower screw boss and inboard upper mounting bolt
on the oil filter adapter. B&C's oil filter adapter spacer is 1.4" and I
see that most others are 1.5".
Attached picture shows the combo (#1 above) installed on my engine. If you
look closely just to the right of the alternator and above the engine mount
tube you can see the bolt head in front of the screw boss on the
alternator.
This is the problem area.
Last time I was on their web site B&C didn't have any of the above shown.
Bill is the guy to talk to at B&C.
Bob
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Vans Website does NOW offer spacers and 90 degree adapter.
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Who would have ever thought that this would start a "primer" war...
Bob
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BPA(at)bpaengines.com
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AirWolf makes a remote filter system that mounts on the firewall. It
uses an adaptor that mounts on the accessory case with two lines that
run to and from the filter block. It's a pretty trick set up. The thing
to consider is if you want an additional couple of oil lines running
around under there.
Allen
Barrett's Place
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Even neater if you already have the screw on filter adapter, the Airwolf adapter plate simply screws on.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of BPA
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:26 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict
AirWolf makes a remote filter system that mounts on the firewall. It uses an adaptor that mounts on the accessory case with two lines that run to and from the filter block. It’s a pretty trick set up. The thing to consider is if you want an additional couple of oil lines running around under there.
Allen
Barrett’s Place
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 8:51 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict
My only objection to a remote filter is the extra hoses and connections creating potential leak sources.
Rob Kermanj
On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:28 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
See your 0.08 and raise you a 0.25. How about a remote mount filter?
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
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Subject: Re: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict
I'll see your 4 cents and raise it another 4:
Avery has a gizmo with a hose clamp, an adopter and a hose that works like Linn's. You punch the hole on top, attach the gizmo, turn the filter with the hose facing down and out comes the oil into whatever jug you have placed on the ground!
Rob Kermanj
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So does NAPA!
Linn
do not archive
BPA wrote:
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AirWolf makes a remote filter system that mounts on the firewall. It uses an adaptor that mounts on the accessory case with two lines that run to and from the filter block. It’s a pretty trick set up. The thing to consider is if you want an additional couple of oil lines running around under there.
Allen
Barrett’s Place
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 8:51 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict
My only objection to a remote filter is the extra hoses and connections creating potential leak sources.
do not archive
Rob Kermanj
On Nov 30, 2006, at 9:28 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
See your 0.08 and raise you a 0.25. How about a remote mount filter?
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Rob Kermanj
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:24 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: B&C SD-20 and Oil Filter Adapter Final Verdict
I'll see your 4 cents and raise it another 4:
Avery has a gizmo with a hose clamp, an adopter and a hose that works like Linn's. You punch the hole on top, attach the gizmo, turn the filter with the hose facing down and out comes the oil into whatever jug you have placed on the ground!
Rob Kermanj
On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:52 PM, linn Walters wrote:
I'll see our 2 cents and raise you 2 cents!!!
Use whatever container you can get under the filter. Use a center punch and punch a hole in the side of the filter. Unscrew the filter 1/2 turn. Punch another hole in the filter and allow the filter to drain. After the filter is empty, finish removing it and your 'catch basin'. It'll make it an even cleaner job!!!
Linn
GenGrumpy(at)aol.com (GenGrumpy(at)aol.com) wrote:
My 2 cents on this issue.
Given the highway robbery B&C wanted for their adapter, I found a very simple solution to changing my oil filter on the first try.
Take a plastic milk carton of the half gallon size.
Eyeball it, then cut off about 1/4 of the bottom end, leaving one side with a 1/2 inch side rail on the 3 sides (keeps oil from overflowing).
Place the cut open end up underneath the oil filter where it meets the engine block (there is room to slide it slightly forward so that the oil will drip directly into the milk carton).
Crack open the filter a bit and let the residual from the filter drain into the milk carton.
In about 10 minutes, as you slowly back the filter off, you will drain 95% of the oil into the milk carton. When it stops draining, remove the milk carton and take the filter off. You will end up with a few spatters below, but very easy to clean off.
Works like a champ, and cost is zilch (assuming you drink milk!)
I did my first one with an empty oil container, and it worked great until the residual overflowed my available space.
The milk carton mod works like a champ and it didn't cost a thing!
grumpy
#40404
In a message dated 11/29/2006 9:03:07 PM Central Standard Time, bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com (bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com) writes:
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I'm delinquent posting results of this combo, but better late than never I guess.
First, if you want to use the B&C 90 degree oil filter adapter with a Lycoming 540 engine on an RV-10, you also need their 1.4" spacer.
If you want to additionally use the B&C SD-20 alternator on the vacuum pad there is an interference issue with the inboard lower screw boss on the SD-20 and the upper inboard corner of the oil filter adapter. I strongly suspect that the interference issue would exist regardless of teh brand of 90 degree oil filter adapter. You have 2 solutions:
1) B&C has a 3/4" spacer kit that also contains replacement studs for the vacuum pad and a replacement shear coupling for the standard SD-20. Don't recall exact price of the spacer kit, but it's $75-100. I have this combo installed on my engine and can verify that it works. The 2.5" spacer on the oil filter adapter will absolutely NOT work with this combination.
2) There is another version of the SD-20 called an SD-20S which is shorter than the standard SD-20. They sell this with a "clocking adapter" that rotates the alternator 45 degrees and moves is aft about 3/4". This was their solution before the spacer above and is what Ed Hayden installed. I don't know the cost.
Of course, you could also install a remote oil filter which wouldn't have any interference issue but would cost more in addition to adding weight, complexity and more hose connections.
A word of caution - clearance is only about 1/8" (.125") between the forward edge of the SD-20 inboard lower screw boss and inboard upper mounting bolt on the oil filter adapter. B&C's oil filter adapter spacer is 1.4" and I see that most others are 1.5".
Attached picture shows the combo (#1 above) installed on my engine. If you look closely just to the right of the alternator and above the engine mount tube you can see the bolt head in front of the screw boss on the alternator. This is the problem area.
Last time I was on their web site B&C didn't have any of the above shown. Bill is the guy to talk to at B&C.
Bob
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My new TMX IO-540 delivered this week came with the 90 degree oil filter adapter and required spacer. The nice thing about this adapter is that it also includes a port for an oil temperature sender. With this port and the standard oil pressure port, looks like I will not need install the VA-133 hose attached to the VA-168 manifold. Instead I will attach the oil temperature and oil pressure senders directly to the engine. One less hose to worry about. http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/20Engine/Engine04.jpg http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/20Engine/index.html Looks like it is $204 plus $45 for the spacer. http://mattituck.com/oil%20filter%20adapter%20add.pdf William Curtis 40237 - fuselage http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/ [quote][b]
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