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jhasbrouck(at)woh.rr.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:06 am Post subject: Subaru

How many Egg Subarus are flying in other than -10 experimentals and what is 

their track record?  Eggenfeller has been around a while, enough that some 

track record should be available regarding service and support.  The -10 

installation is pure speculation until enough are flying.



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n8vim(at)arrl.net
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: Subaru

Its on their website

 

 ENGINES SOLD                 RV - 2 SEATS       389                 RV - 10       17                 SPORTSMAN-Glastar       59                 CH-801       22                 MUSTANG II       1                 TUNDRA       3                 LEGACY FG       1                 LANCAIR 360       5                 GLASAIR       5          

 Interesting, eh?

 

 -Jim 40384

 

 

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 How many Egg Subarus are flying in other than -10 experimentals and what is their track record?  Eggenfeller has been around a while, enough that some track record should be available regarding service and support.  The -10 installation is pure speculation until enough are flying.   

   

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millstees(at)ameritech.ne
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: Subaru

John:



There are almost 400 RV's flying with Eggenfellner Subarus. See their web

site at www.eggenfellneraircraft.com



Steve Mills

RV-10 40486 Slow-build

Naperville, Illinois

finishing fuselage

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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:59 am Post subject: Subaru

400 RV's "flying" ? ? . I personally know of hundreds of flying RV's and TWO 

are Subarus BUT I only live in So. Calif., have been to OSH only once, so 

there may be 10%  RV Subie's elsewhere in the world.    KABONG  Do Not 

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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:21 am Post subject: Subaru

"SOLD", delivered AND flying ? ?  ?  Three very different things..  KABONG Do Not Archive.

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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:24 am Post subject: Subaru

Steve, please take no offence by this contrarian view, but the numbers

posted may not necessarily mean 400 Flying.  We tend to buy into what we

want to believe.  Could that be 400 interested potential buyers'; 400

pledges to purchase; 400 deposits'; 400 final payments received at the

factory; 400 delivered to customers or 400 installed and actually flying

safely?  It's what ever number you want to buy into as FACT.



Egg is known for being great on marketing propaganda and short on

temper.  I have spent many hours with Atkins (from here in the Pacific

NW), reviewed his quality, studied his track record and abandoned that

particular solution.  You will I am sure, blaze a more successful path.



Tim has made an excellent argument for all that will eventually go this

route. Competition.  Anyone looked at the percentage price increase in

Lycosaurus IO-540D4A5s since Vans announcement in 2003. I am surprised

the Chinese haven't entered the knockoff market like they did for

kidneys. Wow.  I for one commend all who are willing to expand the

envelope of knowledge and pursue Alternate Engines.  Van considers this

action - Hot Rodding, and with it, the associated insurance and

financial risks.  He makes a compelling "Talking Head" for Lycoming. One

he would and does endorse. Sorry Continental. I have patiently waited

for Thielert to perfect a six cylinder, 261+ HP turbo-diesel but looks

are deceiving.  Competition is a great thing.  Many things positive come

from competition.  For every single winner there is always a large team

of unsuccessful competitors wishing.



A close friend of mine and fellow A & P student (years ago) build's

nationally recognized "Winning" Subie race engines for auto racing.

They are certainly not, nor will ever be Bullet Proof. They wind high

rpm, they are cheap and easy to work on with less parts (which tend to

fail at similar rates to other internal combustion contraptions).

Whether the production run is 10 Cogsworth, 100 F-1 Mercedes or

1,000,000 Ford's the reliability (or quality) has nothing (little) to

due with number constructed. High production runs have no bearing on

quality, only cost of components installed. To the contrary.  In a

previous life, I had a close friend whose job was to re-engineer the

bearings in Alternators to reduce the cost by $0.07 per unit.  Seems,

1,000,000 meant real savings and why through money into wrecking yard

inventory.



The purpose of an aircraft engine is a narrow rpm performance band with

tremendous torque at the low end followed by dual, independent ignition

sources.  Hence my personal desire for a diesel with turbo-driven

induction.  Diesel fuel seems to have universal, international appeal.

We American's tend to be addicted to AVGAS.  MOGAS is out of the

question. IMHO.



The aviation field is littered with the passion of alternate engine

pursuit. Orenda anyone?  This is always a great issue for guys like Dave

Hertner.  I will be listening on the side. Aye?



John Cox

the Turbanator #40600



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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject: Subaru

Very well said.



If the 400 number we used to decide, then we could probably conclude that

Innodyn is a success story.  Since the RV-10 number is 17 and it was stated

this week that none have actually been delivered, then can we assume that

the 400 number is more like the number of deposits and non-cancelled order,

of which Innodyn must still have non-negative numbers on.



I would have to agree that the quantity manufactured does not mean quality,

just relative price to what it would be with few manufactured.  And, yes,

the lack of desire to have some parts last longer than the life of the car.

You see a whole lot higher percentage of 40's and 50's PA-14's still flying

than 40's and 50's "any specific model of car" running.  Obviously, very few

if any still have the original engine, but the fact that they are still

flying means that a higher percentage of the original parts were made to

last a little closer to forever.



Another reason for an airplane engine would be that car engines are more

likely built with a if-it-breaks-down-de-u-iz mentality rather than a

if-it-breaks-down-whe-iz-u mentality.



I too would love to see the Subie prove to be a reliable -10 engine.  That

benefits everybody building or flying a -10, I think.



Is it safe to say that the main three reasons to go other than (I)O-540

Parallel Valve normally aspirate would be speed, initial cost and

non-conformism (is that a word?)?  Subie-builders seems to be either 2, 3 or

both.  That turbo-10 down under seems to be follow number 1.  Of course,

number 2 would be IMHO the best reason and the most valid, with number 1

requiring engineering to be widely valid and accepted.  With this in mind,

both for future Subie and Lycoming owners, "Go, Subie, Go!"



I don't like to flame anyway, although I may flame someone who goes for a V8

like is installed in N425HP that has been sitting in our hangar for a year

and other hangars for quite a few years waiting for a complete flyable

engine and computer system, having spent by now way more than it would have

cost to put in a Continental twin turbo IO-550 (but the downside of that is

the project of actually getting it into the air would have been way too

short for these owners, I guess).



Back to Subie, I can't wait to see some actual numbers (project cost, fuel

economy, speed), so hurry guys.  Those flying so far have time to type

because they are flying.  We need you Subie-builders to finish quickly for

the benefit of all.



Speaking of alternative engines, anybody know the cost of the Superior

XP-400 and XP-400SRE?  A turbo-XP-400 might fit all 3 reasons enough to get

a widespread following.



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Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

W: 352-465-4545

C: 352-427-0285



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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject: Subaru

To the best of my knowledge it is 400 commitments to buy, not flying,

there are several hundred under construction. We would have to ask Jan

for the number flying with them. I had asked several years ago, but many

have flown since then, but it is definitely not 10% of the flying RV's

that are out there.

Dan 



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Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: Subaru

"anybody know the cost of the Superior XP-400 and XP-400SRE?"



Jesse:



Superior was at our shop a couple of weeks ago and discussed the

availability of the XP-400 engine.  To date, they have built three of

them.  Two for testing purposes, one for Scotty Germain's plane that

raced at Reno.  Availability of the engine is contingent upon the

availability of their redesigned Ryton sump, and the engines will not be

available from engine build shops for some time (read - you will only be

able to get it from the factory.)  No pricing as of yet, as I would

suspect they don't have any cost data so are unable to put a price

together for the engine.



They stated no plans to enter the six-cylinder market at the current

time.  



Rhonda

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