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dongirod(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:10 pm Post subject: Props

Commander drivers;

  

 My Christmas came early, it came today.  Harry  and Mike drove up from Titusville to Griffin, GA., and installed a set of  freshly overhauled props on my 560E with Capt. Jimbob's STC.  It has been a  long frustrating two years as various problems arose for both Harry and  myself.  Harry had a little problem getting the engines started as it has  sat for some time with a dead battery, but he showed up with a new battery and  two props.  Now to get the annual done and I should be airborne.  NO  PROP AD's again.

  

 Merry Christmas

 Don

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Skyhawkc-172

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 84

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: Props

Don Congrats!  We are also prop AD free...

  

 Brent - 560E N224HA

  

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From: "Don Girod" <dongirod(at)bellsouth.net> 

    Commander drivers;

  

 My Christmas came early, it came today.  Harry and Mike drove up from Titusville to Griffin, GA., and installed a set of freshly overhauled props on my 560E with Capt. Jimbob's STC.  It has been a long frustrating two years as various problems arose for both Harry and myself.  Harry had a little problem getting the engines started as it has sat for some time with a dead battery, but he showed up with a new battery and two props.  Now to get the annual done and I should be airborne.  NO PROP AD's again.

  

 Merry Christmas

 Don

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WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: Props

What is the cost range to have the props and hubs done to eliminate the  AD`s. Gil

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budplaster(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:06 am Post subject: Props

Gil, 

    

   Right after the 2004 Flyin in Kansas City, I made the decision to do away with the Prop AD by changing out the props using jb's STC. At that time, with the purchase of the props in Florida, the shipping and overhauls to a good shop in Alabama and the shipping from there to me in Apple Valley, Ca. I spent about $ 13,000. Then, the shop in Florda purchased my old props for $4,000. Without a doubt, I feel I was treated fairly by everyone. Being one without any measurable mechanical aptitude, I must say that jb was the star of my prop change. NO REGRETS!!

    

   Bud Plaster    

    

  

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brcamp(at)windows.microso
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:27 am Post subject: Props

Given the prop problems I’m having, would this be applicable to a 520 (probably)…..  

   

             Bruce   

            N4186B  

       

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of budplaster(at)aol.com

 Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 8:06 AM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Props  

  

  

     

Gil,   

    

   

    

Right after the 2004 Flyin in Kansas City, I made the decision to do away with the Prop AD by changing out the props using jb's STC. At that time, with the purchase of the props in Florida, the shipping and overhauls to a good shop in Alabama and the shipping from there to me in Apple Valley, Ca. I spent about $ 13,000. Then, the shop in Florda purchased my old props for $4,000. Without a doubt, I feel I was treated fairly by everyone. Being one without any measurable mechanical aptitude, I must say that jb was the star of my prop change. NO REGRETS!!  

    

   

    

Bud Plaster      

    

   

  

 

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WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:21 am Post subject: Props

Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know  that what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner and  getting my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your  commander as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch and  swap information. Thanks Gil

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Skyhawkc-172

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 84

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject: Props

Heard of several options regarding old props,  does anyone know the low and high end $ wise and what if any noteable difference.

  

 thanks...

 b

  

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From: WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com 

  Bud, Thanks for the info. I had my 680 converted and Iam pleased to know that what I paid is in line with what you paid . am a new commander owner and getting my bird top condition. It fly`s great and I hope you enjoy your commander as well. Where are you based,maybe we can get together for lunch and swap information. Thanks Gil

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bowing74(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject: Props

This is probably of little use to the group, but.  The AD on mine is 5 years or 500 hours.  I considered eliminating the AD on my props(2 blade) on my 500A.  It would cost $5,000./prop.  The prop guy pointed out that, at 100 hours per year, I would be throwing money away.  

   

Again, this is on an original 500A.  

   

bilbo  

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don  Girod

 Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 5:42 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Props  

  

     

I paid $ 14K plus Capt. Jimbob's STC for mine, 0 hrs. with fresh overhaul.  I was told the old props had no value, I wasn't  

    

as fortunate in that respect as Bud.  

    

   

    

Don  

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gmosh(at)charter.net
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject: Props

I have apparently missed the entire jist of the Props thing.  

  

 I own a straight 560 - N206DX and had my three bladers overhauled  (at) H&S in Pontiac Michigan over 5 years ago to get in on the 50% reduced  parts prices from Hartzell before it expired.  Though unintended, the  airplane has been out of service all that time (divorce - but kept the  Commander).  I have less than an hour on the props but the props are  now officially out of calendar.  

  

 I live on  an airpark (Z98) in Zeeland Michigan - the plane has been  tucked away in my hangar all that time.  About 18 months ago I began  an intensive effort to put the plane back into service.  Both engines  have been overhauled, gear boxes are solid - every system's  been gone through, the discrepancy list is complete  (including remanufactured gear trusses) except for the props in  preparation for an annual....what's the skinny on the STC that upgrades the  props and kills the AD???? 

  

 Gary Moshluk

 aka "Blaster" (a straight 560 makes a lot of noise when it leaves!)

  

  

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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:14 pm Post subject: Props

(divorce - but kept the Commander)  

Good trade, Gary  

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk

 Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:08 PM

 To: Commander Chat

 Subject: Props  

  

     

I have apparently missed the entire jist of the Props thing.    

    

   

    

I own a straight 560 - N206DX and had my three bladers overhauled (at) H&S in Pontiac  Michigan over 5 years ago to get in on the 50% reduced parts prices from Hartzell before it expired.  Though unintended, the airplane has been out of service all that time (divorce - but kept the Commander).  I have less than an hour on the props but the props are now officially out of calendar.    

    

   

    

I live on  an airpark (Z98) in Zeeland Michigan - the plane has been tucked away in my hangar all that time.  About 18 months ago I began an intensive effort to put the plane back into service.  Both engines have been overhauled, gear boxes are solid - every system's been gone through, the discrepancy list is complete (including remanufactured gear trusses) except for the props in preparation for an annual....what's the skinny on the STC that upgrades the props and kills the AD????   

    

   

    

Gary Moshluk  

    

aka "Blaster" (a straight 560 makes a lot of noise when it leaves!)  

    

   

    

   

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Skyhawkc-172

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 84

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:06 pm Post subject: Props

I don't know much, but this is what I think I know...Hartzell makes brand new props for Commanders (very expensive), I found I have this option after talking to Hatzell today.   The time/hours limitation between overhawls on props is a recommendation just like it is on motors, and of course unless you are a part 135 operator then u must adhear to the overhawls.  There is also some type of Beech Queen Air prop conversion but I don't know anything about it.

 Good luck to all with this prop AD hope this helps.

  

  

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(divorce - but kept the Commander) 

Good trade, Gary 

     

 

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Moshluk

Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:08 PM

To: Commander Chat

Subject: Props

 

   

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I live on  an airpark (Z98) in Zeeland Michigan - the plane has been tucked away in my hangar all that time.  About 18 months ago I began an intensive effort to put the plane back into service.  Both engines have been overhauled, gear boxes are solid - every system's been gone through, the discrepancy list is complete (including remanufactured gear trusses) except for the props in preparation for an annual....what's the skinny on the STC that upgrades the props and kills the AD???? 

  

 

  

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aka "Blaster" (a straight 560 makes a lot of noise when it leaves!)

  

 

  

 

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hawkins(at)cms.udel.edu
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:10 am Post subject: Props

I ended up having to  do this for N2760B - ~$25K each.  She has the GO480-DIA (lower HP) engines  and the Queen Air prop conversion wouldn't work.  We looked 2yrs for a  reconditioned set and there simply were none we could find that passed  inspection.

  

 High price and long  lead time but glad it's done - no more AD's.

  

 Think Hartzell mined  the aluminum ore by hand for these - given cost and time it took!  

  

 Matt

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WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:44 am Post subject: Props

Good trade Gary, the only problem that i see (divorce) is you have to reach  soo far around to kiss the nose. Ha Ha

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