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smittysrv

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 67

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:39 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

So long to a good friend. The Yahoo RV lists are going to be decommisioned 

on February 15, 2006. I have long been a member, looking forward to reading 

about the trials, tribulations and joys of the RV world. These messages from 

on high (altitude that is) brought joy and meaning to my life in a time when 

work was not much fun. They, and the Matronics list are the reason that I'm 

building my very own RV today.



I find it sad that personal gain is the motive for their demise.



Smitty's RV-9A

http://SmittysRV.com

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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:25 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

Smitty, I left the yahoo email list a long time ago, but still monitored 

it. I'm wondering about the 'personal gain' part.  Would you be so kind 

as to elaborate???  I'm of the opinion that it died because of the slow 

response time and the 'approval' process.  A monitored (and owned) list 

does have it's good points, as pointed out by Jim Sears.  Sometimes 

there are threads on the Matronics liststhat go on and on and have no 

relation to the subject of the list at all.  Well, I'll put up with that 

in the interest of free flow of info.  It was also a great PITA to put 

up with Yahoo ads, and the login was always getting screwed up (for me 

anyway).  So I left.



I also like the consolidation of multiple lists and appreciate the 

talent that resides on the Matronics lists.  You'll find a lot of 'lost 

yahoo builders' here.  And just remember that in life, as on the lists 

.... you'll make new 'friends' easily.

Linn

do not archive ....... and this need to be used a whole lot more!!!!



Smitty wrote:



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So long to a good friend. The Yahoo RV lists are going to be decommisioned 

on February 15, 2006. I have long been a member, looking forward to reading 

about the trials, tribulations and joys of the RV world. These messages from 

on high (altitude that is) brought joy and meaning to my life in a time when 

work was not much fun. They, and the Matronics list are the reason that I'm 

building my very own RV today.



I find it sad that personal gain is the motive for their demise.



Smitty's RV-9A

http://SmittysRV.com

Bill Schlatterer

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 195

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:36 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

Why ?



Bill S

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smittysrv

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 67

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:55 am Post subject: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

Hi Linn,



I prefer the Yahoo email groups because of the fast and direct response I get to my office email box. I get to read everybodys submissions as they happen. I don't want to have to go a website to search read for submissions. The Yahoo email messages "come to you". I have learned a lot from reading submissions that sometimes don't necessarly apply to me in my current construction phase.



For those of us who don't have DSL, the amount of time it takes to pull in all of advertisement images on the forum website takes forever. I have given up a long time ago trying to find anything on the forum website for this reason.



I recently posted an email message to the Yahoo RV email and got over 15 responses, as compare the "1" I got from the forum website. When I post an email to the Yahoo RV email group, it goes directly to the other builders email boxes, a few minutes after it is posted.



It is clear to me that I am being forced to go a forum website that is jammed full of advertisements.



Smitty

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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:17 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

The response time and approval process are both controlled by the owner of the group.  Unmoderated lists on Yahoo are lightning fast, even faster than our list here.  The personal gain part alludes to the fact the current owner of the Yahoo lists can not control, or insert, advertising for which he has substantial gain on his own website.



  There is absolutely no reason why the current owner of the lists can't either turn off moderation or turn the list over to someone else to continue on the legacy and searchable archive.  I'm willing to bet he will not release the list names either thereby preventing someone else from recreating them and continuing on.  Either way the community looses out on a resource.



Michael Sausen

-10 #352 Fuselage

Do not archive



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Bruce(at)glasair.org
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:19 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

Huh? Matronics RV list is email based.



Bruce

www.glasair.org



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smittysrv

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 67

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:24 am Post subject: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

I'm not talking about the Matronics email list. My concern is about the loss of the Yahoo email list and being incouraged to go the Van's Air Force Forum website.



Smitty

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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:27 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

More than a year ago when Doug Reeves threatened to shut down the Yahoo lists I

initiated four RV related Yahoo lists of my own to take their place if and when

he really shut down the originals. I, like many others, prefer an Email list that's

moderated. The sorry thing is that the archives will die when Doug pulls the

plug. A number of people found these lists on their own and subscribed but there

hasn't been a lot of activity because of the small subscriber base.

If you would like to move over to the new Yahoo lists, here are the Email

addresses to subscribe :

RV-7-subscribe(at)yahoogroups.com



RV-10-subscribe(at)yahoogroups.com



RV-9-subscribe(at)yahoogroups.com



vans-airforce-subscribe(at)yahoogroups.com

We can also create additional YAHOO groups if desired.

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Best regards,



Steve Mottin

Granbury, Texas

                            mailto:rv9(at)charter.net



P.S. I also subscribe to and like the Matronics lists, but sometimes their

unmoderated nature can lead to some really off-topic posts.

Monday, January 30, 2006, 7:55:00 AM, you wrote:



-->> RV-List message posted by: "smittysrv" <smitty(at)smittysrv.com>



s> Hi Linn,



s> I prefer the Yahoo email groups because of the fast and direct response I get to my office email box. I get to read everybodys submissions as they happen. I don't want to have to go a website to

s> search read for submissions. The Yahoo email messages "come to you". I have learned a lot from reading submissions that sometimes don't necessarly apply to me in my current construction phase.



s> For those of us who don't have DSL, the amount of time it takes to pull in all of advertisement images on the forum website takes forever. I have given up a long time ago trying to find anything

s> on the forum website for this reason.



s> I recently posted an email message to the Yahoo RV email and got over 15 responses, as compare the "1" I got from the forum website. When I post an email to the Yahoo RV email group, it goes

s> directly to the other builders email boxes, a few minutes after it is posted.



s> It is clear to me that I am being forced to go a forum website that is jammed full of advertisements.



s> Smitty



s> --------

s> Smittys RV-9A

bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.n
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:41 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

Anybody can set up a Yahoogroup. Just set one up and then post a message in

the one that's departing.



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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:47 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

I believe he was talking about the owners replacement to the Yahoo email lists are forums.  That's the nice thing about the Matronics lists, they are in both formats giving people the option of using either and not missing anything.



Michael

Do not archive



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smittysrv

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 67

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:01 am Post subject: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

Clearly the loss of the Yahoo RV Email Groups will be a great shot in the arm for the Matronics Email List. I can see that Matronics system will become (if not already) the number one source of immediate info for RV builders. The Vans Air Force website is still a great place to go for the latest stories and pictures, but their forum will never surpass Matronics.

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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:09 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

What is the benefit for doing this?  The big thing is we loose the Yahoo archives.  Creating new lists just creates another list to watch or splits the base from here.  Seems like it would be more valuable to encourage people to join the Matronics lists if the Yahoo lists are being killed.



My $0.02



Michael Sausen

Do not archive



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bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.n
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:09 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

Oh by the way, you can find a list of all the people who are on a

Yahoogroups list just by clicking "members" on the left side navigation.  So

if you wanted to start a group and put the work into it, the data is

available to allow you to do that. But it takes time.



Do not archive.



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bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.n
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

Losing the archive is no big deal since the Yahoo search engine is so

pathetic. I think Yahoogroups, because of the e-mail fucntion -- is a good

way of getting stuff answered in a hurry, but it's not a good place to

retrieve archived information. For that, Matronics lists are superior and

probably the best format out there.



The Forums are a nice thing for threaded discussion but, because there are

so many, it's a bit more difficlt to get the attention of the eyeballs who

may have the answer you're looking for. The new RSS functions on the VAF

aren't very good and don't come close to the RSS functionality of the

Yahoogroups. There is, of course, no RSS functionality with the Matronics

lists.



Every format has its advantages and disadvantages, which presumably, is why

most people -- well, at leat a lot of peopl e-- have regularly hung out in

all three.



Do not archive.



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PFolbrecht(at)starkinvest
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

Which begs the question as to why the other lists are needed at all.

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smittysrv

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 67

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

Good point Michael! I hadn't thought of that. The loss of the Yahoo RV email archives will indeed be bad. I gone there many times when in dire need of information about certain building processes. Putting builders in a bind, in the name of advertising revenues.

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Mark Phillips in TN

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 431
Location: Columbia, TN

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

In a message dated 1/30/06 8:03:14 AM Central Standard Time, 

smitty(at)smittysrv.com writes:



 	  Quote: 	
		   For those of us who don't have DSL, the amount of time it takes to pull in 

 all of advertisement images on the forum website takes forever. 


	


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And a very special thanks to Matt for keeping the Matronics lists text-only 

for us who prefer buying airplane gas instead of high speed internet access!  

Annual fundraiser HUGELY preferred to mindless ads...........



And again I'll heartily second comments against archive stuffing by sloppy 

listers too lazy or thoughtless as to exclude a simple do not archive on 

irrelevant stuff.........



Mark

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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

I wouldn't expect anything that advertises another list to make it through moderation on the Yahoo lists.  When the RV-10 builders mutinied and moved from Yahoo to Matronics, most of the posts letting everyone know where we went were removed from the archives and then blocked once the owner of the list caught on.  We also were routinely having edited posts without any comment that they were edited by the moderator.  I'm willing to bet he is being even more diligent if he is shutting down the lists.



Michael Sausen

Do not archive



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bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.n
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

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		    I wouldn't expect anything that advertises another list to 

 make it through moderation on the Yahoo lists.


	


I would. They have in the past and the moderators are good people. I canonly

speak for the 7/7A lists however.



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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:35 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye

I agree, the moderators are good people.  I'm talking about the owner of the list and I am speaking from fact on the -10 Yahoo list.



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