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brothapig(at)HOTMAIL.COM
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:24 am Post subject: Inspection plate fasteners

May be a dumb question, but could somebody please tell me the trade name of the fasteners found in the picture in the link below?  They are basically nut-plates, but I can't seem to find any at any of the aircraft tool distributors.  Could somebody give me a hint on where I can find these as well?  Thanks in advance.



Ryan



http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701/pages/022%20Elevator%20Access%20All%20Doubler%20Rivets.htm

agustafson(at)chartermi.n
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: Inspection plate fasteners

That's what they are, nut plates. Not a tool but a part. Wicks, ACS etc.



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		  >> could somebody please tell me the trade name of the fasteners found in 

>> the picture in the link below?  They are basically nut-plates, but I 

>> can't seem to find any at any of the aircraft tool distributors.

Gig Giacona

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1416
Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:18 am Post subject: Re: Inspection plate fasteners

They look like standard nut plates installed with solid rivets. They are available thought ACS and I'd tell you the page but I don't have my catalog with me.



Also speaking of nut plates has anyone ever seen these?



http://www.textronfasteningsystems.com/pressroom/pr/RNP.html

 	  brothapig(at)HOTMAIL.COM wrote: 	
		  May be a dumb question, but could somebody please tell me the trade name of the fasteners found in the picture in the link below?  They are basically nut-plates, but I can't seem to find any at any of the aircraft tool distributors.  Could somebody give me a hint on where I can find these as well?  Thanks in advance.



Ryan



http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701/pages/022%20Elevator%20Access%20All%20Doubler%20Rivets.htm

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ter_turn(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: Inspection plate fasteners

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: Inspection plate fasteners

Hard to tell for sure but my guess is that they are K1000-6 platenuts and are available at AS. They could also be the floating version for which I can't recall the number..... for that number look in the 601XL plans at the drawing for the access panel in the front seat panels that allows access ot the spar bolts. That area call out the floating platenuts. 



If you use the K1000-6 platenuts, they work with #6-32 screws.



Ed Moody II

Rayne, LA

601XL



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		   May be a dumb question, but could somebody please tell me the trade name of the fasteners found in the picture in the link below?  They are basically nut-plates, but I can't seem to find any at any of the aircraft tool distributors.  Could somebody give me a hint on where I can find these as well?  Thanks in advance.

 

 Ryan

 

 http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701/pages/022%20Elevator%20Access%20All%20Doubler%20Rivets.htm

601zv(at)ritternet.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:49 am Post subject: Inspection plate fasteners

Those look really neat, but since suppliers like ACS don't carry them, they 

probably will not fit the budget of the typical homebuilder. Even if 

reasonable, the installation tool may break the bank.



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carlossa52(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:31 am Post subject: Inspection plate fasteners

..and what is the difference between floating and non-floating nutplates?



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Carlos



On 19/12/06,  dredmoody(at)cox.net (dredmoody(at)cox.net) <dredmoody(at)cox.net (dredmoody(at)cox.net)> wrote:[quote] --> Zenith-List message posted by: <dredmoody(at)cox.net (dredmoody(at)cox.net)>



Hard to tell for sure but my guess is that they are K1000-6 platenuts and are available at AS. They could also be the floating version for which I can't recall the number..... for that number look in the 601XL plans at the drawing for the access panel in the front seat panels that allows access ot the spar bolts. That area call out the floating platenuts. 



If you use the K1000-6 platenuts, they work with #6-32 screws.



Ed Moody II

Rayne, LA

601XL

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RURUNY(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:52 am Post subject: Inspection plate fasteners

Ryan,

  

 Go to http://www.ddaircraft.com/  and  select the catalog button. Scroll down a bit till you get to 

 Nutplates.

 Look for :

 TWO LUG NUTPLATE, MS21047, 450°, MOLYBDENUM DRY LUBE  

 You will see they come in 6/32, 8/32, 10/32 I have used mostly 8/32 for  access panels and anything I felt

 needed to be removed. I have only used the floating type in the 10/32 size  for the large access panel on the

 bottom of my 701. 

 You will use: 

 MACHINE SCREW, PHILLIPS, TRUSS HEAD (AN526C STAINLESS)  

 in the proper size and length. I used 1/2" on access panels but used 3/8"  on my fuel sender access panels.

 Solid rivets used here are: MS20426AD3-3  3/32 x3/16 100 deg flush  head

 If you have riveted closed your elevator and can't get a rivet squeezer in  there, use pulled nutplate rivet:

 CCR264SS-3-04   3/32 x .188-.250 Nutplate rivet 100  deg flush hd.

  

 I have ordered all my hardware from D&D mainly because if you have  questions, the guy is very helpful

 and knows what he's talking about. Delivery is very quick also. If you are  just starting your project, I 

 would recommend buying 25 or more of each as you will find many, and I  mean many uses if you want

 to make your project maintenance friendly.

  

 Brian

  

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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:12 am Post subject: Inspection plate fasteners

With a non-floating nutplate, the nut is rigidly attached to the plate, so proper alignment is critical during installation. Usually, a slightly oversize hole is used in the cover plate to allow some tolerance to align the screw with the nut.

 With a floating nutplate, the nut is held in the plate in such a way that it can move around a bit to self-align with the fastener. With these, the holes in the cover plate can be just big enough to allow insertion of the screw and the tolerance for alignment is built into the nutplate.



By the way, the ACS catalog calls these fasteners "anchor nuts" or "floating anchor nuts" and there are several different styles. Look under "nuts" in the index.

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		  ...and what is the difference between floating and non-floating nutplates?



	




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N61BM, CH 601 XL, 

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RURUNY(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:45 am Post subject: Inspection plate fasteners

Ryan,

 Also look at these mini nutplates, from your picture the rivets look very  close together. Its harder to squeeze

 these as the squeezer dies get caught up on the nut part of the plate but  its doable. Its a good choice though for this access panel on the  elevator.

  

 TWO LUG NUTPLATE, REDUCED RIVET SPACING, MS21069  (NAS697)

  

 Brian



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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: Inspection plate fasteners

Non-floating are one solid piece & tapped to size. Floating ones have  a captured free movement (very small movement) nut. "Floating" allows for  realignment of the nut/screw if the two pieces being attached are slightly  off.  KABONG Do Not Archive

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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: Inspection plate fasteners

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Hi Carlos,
	




Floating nut plates have two parts.  The part with the inside threads 

can move around a little so the screw can align itself easily.  The 

threaded part "Floats" around.  A non floating nut plate has just one 

part which has a fixed position for the threads compared to the 

mounting holes.

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		  ...and what is the difference between floating and non-floating nutplates?

pfranke(at)tpg.com.au
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject: Inspection plate fasteners

"The Cherry® Rivetless Nut Plate applies in less than two seconds in

aluminium sheets as thin as 0.062 inches."



I think that limits their use quite substantially.



Peter



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