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Ralph Hoover

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 206
Location: Central Ohio

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:04 am Post subject: Hanger location

Per a quote on the subject "q" as noted below:



"Leaving an airplane outside, even tied down, makes me nervous, and

I did it myself a long time ago.  A shelter also needs some protection.

I built my open front, steel pole shed 30 years ago for about $800.

The main winds hit at a rear quarter and have to encounter an earthern

berm first which helps ramp them up and over.  The ramp is hidden

within a fencerow thicket.

On a windy day scarcely a breeze can be felt standing outside the open 

front."



I have a question regarding hangers. There seem to be several self hanger builders on this site and I was wondering which direction would one have the "opened" ends positioned"? A friend is building a metal hanger, much like a quansit hut" that is 27 feet wide by 30 feet long, and will, at least in the begining, leave bothe ends open. He will store his Titan in it and I will have my Firestar facing the opposit direction (head to toe). We can locate it in any direction and all directions, with the exception of West has open corn /soy fields. The West direction has a hanger about 40 feet from where we would locate our new hanger. 



Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Ohio Ralph

jim

Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Posts: 107
Location: N. Idaho

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:11 am Post subject: Hanger location

You want the hangar to take the wind, not the aircraft inside so I would

put the doors 90 degrees to the wind.  I have an enclosed hangar with a

door on 1 side and I am sometimes concerned about the wind with the

ultralights sitting inside and the door open.



If I were to build my hangar again, I would put a few tie-downs in the

concrete on the floor (probably along the centerline).  The lift-up kind

that fall flush when not in use.  They can be used as an anchor for

winching, or tie down in windy conditions with the door open, etc.



 	  Quote: 	
		  

 I have a question regarding hangers. There seem to be several self hanger

 builders on this site and I was wondering which direction would one have

 the "opened" ends positioned"?



 Ohio Ralph

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Jim
N. Idaho

planecrazzzy
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: Hanger location

Hey Ralph,

                 How ya been....  I see you were "Hide'n out" for the fund raiser....He he he 

  Anyway, your "Runway" has the answer your looking for....



 usually a "Study" is done to determine which direction the wind "USUALLY"  blows....Then you stick a runway in front of it....



 You would probly want to postion you hanger the opposite of your MAIN

runway.....



 Make cents ? ( at least 2 of them - mine )

 Now drop and gemme 50



                          Gotta Fly...

                                          Mike & "Jaz" in MN

cartejy(at)mtn-state.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: Hanger location

Ralph, Hope all going well for you..In answer to your question as to hanger

Direction,,Contact Wilinmton Nat Wx Service, they will have the Wind

Direction % for the year, Then you can figure which way to place it so it

will be best protected from Wind & Rain, Ect. Hope all well and it is Ok

here in E Liverpool, Have my Winter cover & heater working on My KXP Lt Sp

Exp Kolb (91) warm on cold days . Merry X May & update some time Jay Carter

East Liverpool Oh(right up here to W Va/Pa Line)...---- Original

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From: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh(at)columbus.rr.com>

To: <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 10:04 AM

Subject: Hanger location

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<flht99reh(at)Columbus.rr.com>
	


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 Per a quote on the subject "q" as noted below:



 "Leaving an airplane outside, even tied down, makes me nervous, and

 I did it myself a long time ago.  A shelter also needs some protection.

 I built my open front, steel pole shed 30 years ago for about $800.

 The main winds hit at a rear quarter and have to encounter an earthern

 berm first which helps ramp them up and over.  The ramp is hidden

 within a fencerow thicket.

 On a windy day scarcely a breeze can be felt standing outside the open

 front."



 I have a question regarding hangers. There seem to be several self hanger

builders on this site and I was wondering which direction would one have the
	


"opened" ends positioned"? A friend is building a metal hanger, much like a

quansit hut" that is 27 feet wide by 30 feet long, and will, at least in the

begining, leave bothe ends open. He will store his Titan in it and I will

have my Firestar facing the opposit direction (head to toe). We can locate

it in any direction and all directions, with the exception of West has open

corn /soy fields. The West direction has a hanger about 40 feet from where

we would locate our new hanger.

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 Any help would be greatly appreciated.



 Ohio Ralph





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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject: Hanger location

Ralph Hoover wrote:



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Per a quote on the subject "q" as noted below:



"Leaving an airplane outside, even tied down, makes me nervous, and

I did it myself a long time ago.  A shelter also needs some protection.

I built my open front, steel pole shed 30 years ago for about $800.

The main winds hit at a rear quarter and have to encounter an earthern

berm first which helps ramp them up and over.  The ramp is hidden

within a fencerow thicket.

On a windy day scarcely a breeze can be felt standing outside the open 

front."



I have a question regarding hangers. There seem to be several self hanger builders on this site and I was wondering which direction would one have the "opened" ends positioned"? A friend is building a metal hanger, much like a quansit hut" that is 27 feet wide by 30 feet long, and will, at least in the begining, leave bothe ends open. He will store his Titan in it and I will have my Firestar facing the opposit direction (head to toe). We can locate it in any direction and all directions, with the exception of West has open corn /soy fields. The West direction has a hanger about 40 feet from where we would locate our new hanger. 



Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Ohio Ralph




	


If you leave both ends open, definitely put tiedowns inside for the 

planes. If you close one end, it minimizes the risk.



One thing I haven't seen mentioned is to look at the direction of your 

*severe* weather, not just prevailing wind.

mustangsally(at)semo.net
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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject: Hanger location

My hanger has sliding doors, wood frame. The doors face the wind. In strong 

winds I am concerned about the doors blowing in on the plane. I would rather 

have the back or side on the strong wind side.

Jerry

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jim

Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Posts: 107
Location: N. Idaho

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:06 am Post subject: Hanger location

I agree.  Orient the hangar so the prevaling wind is hitting against a

solid wall of the hangar -- NOT an opening (i.e., sides or back wall). 

That way the building will shield the contents from the wind and not allow

lots of wind inside or through the hangar. I think best would be to have

the wind coming into the back wall, not the sides.



Jim



[quote] 



 My hanger has sliding doors, wood frame. The doors face the wind. In

 strong

 winds I am concerned about the doors blowing in on the plane. I would

 rather

 have the back or side on the strong wind side.

 Jerry

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N. Idaho

Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: Hanger location

Since we rent hangar space at BQR and was on a waiting list to get that 

space, orientation was not on my worry list. However, for those of you 

living in the great white north and actually fly during the winter, one 

other item is worth considering. Snow and Ice removal from the door. We 

were fortunate to get a south facing hangar (door on south side) so 

that the sun helps melt the snow and ice at the bottom of the door. 

I've had hangar space on the north side and can tell you that the extra 

work to get the doors open during the winter was incredible and was 

sufficient to make me not fly on many occasions. I'm very glad indeed 

for the south facing hangar, even though our prevailing winds are from 

the SW and average wind speed here in the winter is 14 mph.... only 9 

mph in August.



Thom in Buffalo

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Buffalo, NY (9G0)

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ulflyer(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:24 am Post subject: Hanger location

Why can't you install removable anchors in the concrete 

now.  Shouldn't be that hard if you use a hammer drill.  You can rent 

one and even the bits from most industrial rental places.  If your 

intent is only to keep it from moving you shouldn't need that much 

being sheltered by the hangar itself.  They could screw in and out of 

the floor.

jerb

At 01:10 PM 12/19/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

You want the hangar to take the wind, not the aircraft inside so I would

put the doors 90 degrees to the wind.  I have an enclosed hangar with a

door on 1 side and I am sometimes concerned about the wind with the

ultralights sitting inside and the door open.

If I were to build my hangar again, I would put a few tie-downs in the

concrete on the floor (probably along the centerline).  The lift-up kind

that fall flush when not in use.  They can be used as an anchor for

winching, or tie down in windy conditions with the door open, etc.

 >

 > I have a question regarding hangers. There seem to be several self hanger

 > builders on this site and I was wondering which direction would one have

 > the "opened" ends positioned"?

 >

 > Ohio Ralph

jim

Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Posts: 107
Location: N. Idaho

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject: Hanger location

Anchors will work for light duty, but for maximum stength they should be

imbedded in the concrete and tied into the rebar.  That kind of strength

wouldn't be needed very often.  (e.g., 2000# winch going up to the trusses

then back down to  pick up an entire aircraft.



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 Why can't you install removable anchors in the concrete

 now.

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N. Idaho

biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:45 pm Post subject: Hanger location

Yah, for max strength you're right, but not all anchors are created equal. 

It'd be interesting to see some comparative tests of various concrete 

anchors.  I've worked with quite a few over the years, and some that I've 

seen work OK in shear, but poorly in tension.  Then again, some I've used 

that have a tapered lower section that pulls up into an expandable sleeve 

are perty husky.  Some have impressed me quite a bit, and I'd be hard put to 

picture one pulling out.  That, of course, would depend to some extent on 

the concrete itself.  On that, I've seen some home mixed and poured stuff 

that wasn't much better than putty.  Others have been like granite, so ya 

never know.                     Lar.



Larry Bourne

Santa Fe, NM

www.gogittum.com



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Larry Bourne
Palm Springs, CA
Building Kolb Mk IIIC
"Vamoose"

russ(at)rkiphoto.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: Hanger location

LAR, YOUR WIDESPREAD KNOWLEDGE NEVER FAILS TO IMPRESS ME (sorry, hit  

CaPS KEY)

Thanx for sharing with us.

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On Dec 21, 2006, at 7:44 PM, Larry Bourne wrote:



[quote] 



 Yah, for max strength you're right, but not all anchors are created  

 equal. It'd be interesting to see some comparative tests of various  

 concrete anchors.  I've worked with quite a few over the years, and  

 some that I've seen work OK in shear, but poorly in tension.  Then  

 again, some I've used that have a tapered lower section that pulls  

 up into an expandable sleeve are perty husky.  Some have impressed  

 me quite a bit, and I'd be hard put to picture one pulling out.   

 That, of course, would depend to some extent on the concrete  

 itself.  On that, I've seen some home mixed and poured stuff that  

 wasn't much better than putty.  Others have been like granite, so  

 ya never know.                     Lar.



 Larry Bourne

 Santa Fe, NM

 www.gogittum.com



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biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: Hanger location

What was it ??  Everyone likes a little A.... ??  Hope you're on my side. 

                     Do NOT Archive.



Larry Bourne

Santa Fe, NM

www.gogittum.com



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