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cpayne(at)joimail.com
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 Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 3:45 am Post subject: Towbars vs Winches |
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> >From: "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1(at)comcast.net> ([email][/email])
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>Excellent! Thanks you two. I'll be doing some after Xmas shopping for
>'Chang and that goes on the list. That, and a powered tow bar. ( My
>hanger entry has a slight uphill grade and the tow bar I bought for a
>Beechcraft bent on the CJ. - My back isn't what it used to be either.)
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Val,
Been there done that, ran my left elevator into the T-hanger cutout while being distracted by a new convert full of questions. My bad, but finding the parts wasn't easy.
Since then I use an electric winch mounted on the back of the hanger floor, dead center so it will pull the tail right where I want it. I still have to hop the nose gear now and then to correct for poor lineup and it is slower, but steady. Another benefit is that winches are mucho cheaper. Mine is from Harbor Freight and uses a 12 marine battery from the days when I didn't have power. The charger gets hooked up on trickle charge so I always have juice.
Of course if you have one of those great big square hangers near your house on the taxiway, no problem.
Craig Payne
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fougapilot(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:51 am Post subject: Towbars vs Winches |
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Back in my medevac pilot days, we had a winch to put the Cheyenne back in
the barn. With 6" clearance on each wingtip, the boss didn't want us to push
it in with the truck. We had the winch pull it an used the tow bar for small
course corrections. Our winch was AC and we had the control switch on a long
cord. The same guy could man the switch and tow bar. Works very well.
D
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To: "yak-list" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Towbars vs Winches
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 06:44:25 -0500
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>From: "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1(at)comcast.net>
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>Excellent! Thanks you two. I'll be doing some after Xmas shopping for
>'Chang and that goes on the list. That, and a powered tow bar. ( My
>hanger entry has a slight uphill grade and the tow bar I bought for a
>Beechcraft bent on the CJ. - My back isn't what it used to be either.)
>
Val,
Been there done that, ran my left elevator into the T-hanger cutout while
being distracted by a new convert full of questions. My bad, but finding
the parts wasn't easy.
Since then I use an electric winch mounted on the back of the hanger floor,
dead center so it will pull the tail right where I want it. I still have to
hop the nose gear now and then to correct for poor lineup and it is slower,
but steady. Another benefit is that winches are mucho cheaper. Mine is from
Harbor Freight and uses a 12 marine battery from the days when I didn't
have power. The charger gets hooked up on trickle charge so I always have
juice.
Of course if you have one of those great big square hangers near your house
on the taxiway, no problem.
Craig Payne
cpayne(at)joimail.com
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Scooter
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| Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Towbars vs Winches |
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I've also had good luck with the winch. I bought the 800lb AC "electric hoist" from Harbor Freight. Works great and only cost $80. I use a piece of rope with two loops in it to attach the hook to the tail tie-down.
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Mike Bell
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| Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:08 am Post subject: Re: Towbars vs Winches |
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Val,
Treat yourself and your back to a Powertow. I have used mine on three different Yaks over the last 15 years. Tell them you have a CJ and they will sell you the correct fittings. www.powertow.com (800 635-5565.
Mike Bell
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:16 am Post subject: Towbars vs Winches |
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Craig,
Agree with the wench working well for a single T hanger. I have my YAK
housed with 5 others in one of large square hangers so the wench does not
work for us.
Doc
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From: Daniel Fortin <fougapilot(at)hotmail.com>
To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: 12/31/2006 6:55:40 AM
Subject: RE: Towbars vs Winches
Back in my medevac pilot days, we had a winch to put the Cheyenne back in
the barn. With 6" clearance on each wingtip, the boss didn't want us to
push
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| Quote: | it in with the truck. We had the winch pull it an used the tow bar for
small
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| Quote: | course corrections. Our winch was AC and we had the control switch on a
long
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| Quote: | cord. The same guy could man the switch and tow bar. Works very well.
D
>From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne(at)joimail.com>
>Reply-To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
>To: "yak-list" <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
>Subject: Towbars vs Winches
>Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 06:44:25 -0500
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> >From: "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1(at)comcast.net>
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> >Excellent! Thanks you two. I'll be doing some after Xmas shopping for
> >'Chang and that goes on the list. That, and a powered tow bar. ( My
> >hanger entry has a slight uphill grade and the tow bar I bought for a
> >Beechcraft bent on the CJ. - My back isn't what it used to be either.)
> >
>Val,
>
>Been there done that, ran my left elevator into the T-hanger cutout
while
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| Quote: | >being distracted by a new convert full of questions. My bad, but finding
>the parts wasn't easy.
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>Since then I use an electric winch mounted on the back of the hanger
floor,
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| Quote: | >dead center so it will pull the tail right where I want it. I still have
to
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| Quote: | >hop the nose gear now and then to correct for poor lineup and it is
slower,
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| Quote: | >but steady. Another benefit is that winches are mucho cheaper. Mine is
from
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| Quote: | >Harbor Freight and uses a 12 marine battery from the days when I didn't
>have power. The charger gets hooked up on trickle charge so I always
have
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| Quote: | >juice.
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>Of course if you have one of those great big square hangers near your
house
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| Quote: | >on the taxiway, no problem.
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>Craig Payne
>cpayne(at)joimail.com
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: Towbars vs Winches |
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Val,
Exactly the one we use at Wetumpka for the 52's and have used it without
any difficulty with the occassional transient (interloper) CJ! It fits the
nose wheel on the CJ just fine without any adjustments. Wish it would work
with the 50's tailwheel! Contacted the company directly and sent all the
measurements/pictures they requested but they could not make one. The tow
bar could not lift the tail wheel and safely clear the rudder (for a
reasonable price). Since the 50 is a 1000 lbs lighter than the 52, it is
easier to move around. Besides, I need the exercise anyway.
Does anyone know if the Russians used a tow bar on the tail wheel of the
50? Did they do what the rest of us do, simply push it out of the hanger by
the wing and canopy bow. Then with aviable manpower, shove her back in
again?
I pull her back in with a dragger tow bar that fits around the tail wheel.
Pushing on the tail wheel with the dragger to shove her out can cause the
tail wheel to overcenter damaging the aft bulkhead. At least that has been
my experience.
Doc
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From: Mike Bell <yakflyr(at)comcast.net>
To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: 12/31/2006 10:15:51 AM
Subject: Re: Towbars vs Winches
Val,
Treat yourself and your back to a Powertow. I have used mine on three
different Yaks over the last 15 years. Tell them you have a CJ and they
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will sell you the correct fittings. www.powertow.com (800 635-5565.
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drc(at)wscare.com
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:02 pm Post subject: Towbars vs Winches |
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I have also looked at the options everyone has mentioned. I like the
winch idea as I have had it in a previous hanger - but I cannot put
one in my existing hanger due to airport nazi reg's.
I did not want to spend the 600-800+ $ on a manufactured tug.
I bought a used lawn tractor out of the paper with no mower deck on
it then welded up a tailwheel tow bar for the Yak and the Wilga. 200
$ for the tractor and 2 hours to weld up - I assume other tailwheel
tow bars are out there (or options for the CJ that could tow from the
rear - even options that could unload the nose wheel to help steer.
I really like my set up as I am also uphill into the hanger, often
ice covered and fly alone half the time.
Cheap - works well - I even tow out to the community fuel location
then leave the tractor - fly - taxi in to the fuel - tow back into
the hanger. My tractor is STC'd for 100LL and I use about 2-3
gallons a year is all (with MMO of course)
Herb
On Dec 31, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Roger Kemp wrote:
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Val,
Exactly the one we use at Wetumpka for the 52's and have used it
without
any difficulty with the occassional transient (interloper) CJ! It
fits the
nose wheel on the CJ just fine without any adjustments. Wish it
would work
with the 50's tailwheel! Contacted the company directly and sent
all the
measurements/pictures they requested but they could not make one.
The tow
bar could not lift the tail wheel and safely clear the rudder (for a
reasonable price). Since the 50 is a 1000 lbs lighter than the 52,
it is
easier to move around. Besides, I need the exercise anyway.
Does anyone know if the Russians used a tow bar on the tail wheel
of the
50? Did they do what the rest of us do, simply push it out of the
hanger by
the wing and canopy bow. Then with aviable manpower, shove her back in
again?
I pull her back in with a dragger tow bar that fits around the
tail wheel.
Pushing on the tail wheel with the dragger to shove her out can
cause the
tail wheel to overcenter damaging the aft bulkhead. At least that
has been
my experience.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Mike Bell <yakflyr(at)comcast.net>
> To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>
> Date: 12/31/2006 10:15:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Towbars vs Winches
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> Val,
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> Treat yourself and your back to a Powertow. I have used mine on three
different Yaks over the last 15 years. Tell them you have a CJ and
they
will sell you the correct fittings. www.powertow.com (800 635-5565.
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> Mike Bell
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=84666#84666
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