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ScottA

Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 100
Location: Park City, UT

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:05 am Post subject: Manifold drains

Has anyone that has the three manifold drains interconnected flown with the drain valve open?   

   

Notice any difference?  

   

I suspect unnoticeable until you find it on post flight draining.  

   

Scott

tedwaltman(at)i1ci.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:26 am Post subject: Manifold drains

I've  forgotton a few times to close the drain--and flown with no noticable issue  whatsoever.  Probably makes the mixture leaner (?? more air for same amount  of fuel ??).  But no discerable difference in flight, takeoff, go around,  whatever (other than me being mad at myself for forgetting).

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ScottA

Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 100
Location: Park City, UT

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:37 am Post subject: Manifold drains

Thank Ted.  

   

I suspect you are not the only one who has left it open – in anticipation of someday doing the same is why I ask <grin>.  

         

  

From: owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Waltman

 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:26 AM

 To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Manifold drains  

  

     

I've forgotton a few times to close the drain--and flown with no noticable issue whatsoever.  Probably makes the mixture leaner (?? more air for same amount of fuel ??).  But no discerable difference in flight, takeoff, go around, whatever (other than me being mad at myself for forgetting).  

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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:42 am Post subject: Manifold drains

Yes.  It causes the 3 cylinders to run lean.  You  may notice some popping when you pull the throttle back after doing the pre  shutdown run up.

 Dennis

  

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ScottA

Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 100
Location: Park City, UT

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:47 am Post subject: Manifold drains

Thanks Dennis.  

   

Scott  

         

  

From: owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-m14pengines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese

 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:43 AM

 To: m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: M14PEngines-List: Manifold drains  

  

     

Yes.  It causes the 3 cylinders to run lean.  You may notice some popping when you pull the throttle back after doing the pre shutdown run up.  

    

Dennis  

    

   

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tedwaltman(at)i1ci.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:01 am Post subject: Manifold drains

I have  a clean kit on my engine, which enables me to completely drain the sump after  shutdown, so I don't have to spend a min at 50% or so power before  shutdown.

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jsmith(at)syntherica.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: Manifold drains

Ted, when you refer to a "clean kit" is this an after-market item or did 

you just fabricate it yourself?



Also, I plan to use a Slick Start instead of the shower of sparks coil. 

 Does anyone have any experience in fabricating the attachment of the wire 

from the Slick Start to the Russian mag?  I could use some advice.



Joe Smith



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tedwaltman(at)i1ci.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:29 am Post subject: Manifold drains

Original "clean kit" was as sold by Kimball Enterprises.  I'll email you

a pic of my manifold drain set up later this afternoon or evening Joe.

The drain is my own design after not liking the set up that was on their

originally.



Ted



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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: Manifold drains

Why do you want to change a perfectly functional system?  It works and will 

work for a VERY long time.

Dennis



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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:33 am Post subject: Manifold drains

I'm talking about the "shower of sparks" or starting coil.

Dennis



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KJKimball(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject: Manifold drains

Ted,

  

 As mentioned, the lower 3 cylinders will be slightly leaner IF you leave the drain valve open when running the engine.  However, this is at low to medium power settings that are at atmospheric pressure or lower MP.  Above 30" will not be leaner as the intake tube pressure is greater than outside the airplane and the fuel/air mixture will flow out the open valve.

  

 Sincerely,



Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering

Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.

PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.

Zellwood, FL 32798

407-889-3451 phone

407-889-7168 fax

http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/ 

http://www.pittsmodel12.com/[u]

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tedwaltman(at)i1ci.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: Manifold drains

Thanks Kevin.  I can't get 30" at  Denver's altitude <grin>, let alone after takeoff!

  

 Ted

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jjejr(at)adelphia.net
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: Manifold drains

Hi Ted:



    would it be possible for you to send me a picture of your clean kit



Jim

n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:27 am Post subject: Re: Manifold drains

 	  jjejr(at)adelphia.net wrote: 	
		  Hi Ted:



    would it be possible for you to send me a picture of your clean kit



Jim 	


Actually how about posting the photo here?

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Milt

tedwaltman(at)i1ci.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: Manifold drains

I'll look at the posting rules / requirements later today Milt.  In the

meantime, I'll email you directly.



Ted



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ScottA

Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 100
Location: Park City, UT

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:27 am Post subject: Manifold drains

I need to check into posting pictures here too.



In the mean time here is a link to my drains.



http://www.goflyamoose.com/Picture%20pages/manifold%20drains.html



And my sump pump out.

http://www.goflyamoose.com/Picture%20pages/oil%20sump%20pump.html



Kimball's make a nice kit (this is in their Moose support page but same for

all aircraft)

http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/h_support_moose.html



Mine is a variation of the do it yourself kit that I think Dennis originally

had on his site, not sure though.

http://www.goflyamoose.com/PDF%20files/Manifiold%20drains.pdf



FWIW

Scott

jjejr(at)adelphia.net wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi Ted:

 

     would it be possible for you to send me a picture of your clean kit

 

 Jim


	


Actually how about posting the photo here?



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Milt

N395V

F1 Rocket





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8938#8938

n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Manifold drains

 	  tedwaltman(at)i1ci.com wrote: 	
		  I'll look at the posting rules / requirements later today Milt.  In the

meantime, I'll email you directly.



Ted



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Thanks,



I have put your photos on image shack. They can be viewed at the links below.

[img=http://img321.imageshack.us/img321/4771/draincloseup6pp.th.jpg]



[img=http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/91/drainoverview0yx.th.jpg]



[img=http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/4927/tcloseup7vv.th.jpg]



[img=http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/887/tdetail3wl.th.jpg]

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Milt

dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
Guest

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject: Manifold drains

Rather than fabricating intake drain kits myself, I have found the Kimball 

kits to be excellent and therefore order them for all the airplanes that I 

assemble and deliver to customers.

Dennis



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ScottA

Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 100
Location: Park City, UT

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: Manifold drains

I agree I have a second one with the Kimball kit which is very nice - like

all of their stuff.  Much faster install too.



Now that I know I wasted time with my "all down hill" drain I won't make any

changes to this one.



Scott

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KJKimball(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: Manifold drains

Thanks for the kind words about our products.  Much appreciated.

  

 I thought I would clear up a detail or two in this discussion.  The intake drains have been referred to as "clean kit" when that system is only one component of the clean kit we offer.  Some of you who are new to the M14 and our products may be confused a bit.

  

 Our M14 clean kit includes 3 sub kits:

 Oil shut off valve with safety switch

 Scavenge pump kit

 Intake drain kit.

  

 Intended use is as follows:

  

 End of flight

 Shut down engine

 Close oil valve

 turn scavenge pump on and let run until it skips with air (30 seconds with hot oil)

 Turn off pump

 Exit airplane

 Open intake drain and hang small catch can on open valve

  

 Preflight operation

 Pull prop through 4 or 5 full revs

 remove catch can and close intake drain valve

 Get in

 Push oil valve cable to full open

 Prime and Start engine normally.

  

 Sincerely,



Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering

Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.

PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.

Zellwood, FL 32798

407-889-3451 phone

407-889-7168 fax

http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/ 

http://www.pittsmodel12.com/[u]

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