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Ray.R.Doerr(at)sprint.com
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As of Jan 11, 2007, I have successfully pass my IFR checkride with Ron Albertson (Awesome guy by the way).
I just wanted to let other builders of the RV-10 know that it is awesome to receive your entire IRF training like I did in your own RV-10. And then be able to find an examiner willing to do the checkride in an experimental airplane. Ron had only one experience in an experimental prior to do the checkride in my RV-10. He flew a Burt Rutan design and told the owner "Thanks" but that he would never fly that again. Since that was his only experience with experimental, I made it my duty to try and change his mind. So after we finished the checkride, some of his comments were,
"Awesome IFR Panel", this was mainly because he liked the Dynon EFIS and EMS and the dual Garmin 430's that he had 1,000 of hours flying behind.
"Wow", this was when I climbed out at 100 Knots and 1500 Ft/Min with full fuel.
"Very Stable IFR Platform", this was when he took the stick for unusual attitudes, better known as "Instructor Fun Time".
After the checkride I was confident that I had changed the mind of this one very highly qualified Professional on the point of Experimental Aircraft, specifically the Van's RV-10.
The checkride consisted of:
File IFR to Topeka, KS Billard (KTOP) for the VOR 22 7 DME ARC. This was a non-precision approach using the autopilot. I was not ready for this because, I had thought he would have wanted this hand flown as I have practiced 10 times before. Anyway the TruTrak DigiFlight II with GPSS worked awesome. It flew us directly to the IAF (KUMGY) on the Arc, then the autopilot flew the Arc while I monitored the distance from the VOR. Then at DMARCY, and Intermediate fix, the autopilot cranked it 90 degrees to the left to fly the 25 degree radial (Heading 205) to the station, then after crossing the VOR, it changed to the 214 degree radial directly to the runway. All I had to do during this time is monitor the approach using the VOR driving the #1 CDI, while my #2 CDI was indicating if I was on the arc/radial via the GPS.
Next up was the Missed approach back to the hold, where we did a couple of turns and then back into KTOP for the ILS 13 using Vectors from Kansas City Center. Center was extremely busy at this point and they forgot about me after the last 90 degree intercept they gave me. After blowing through the localizer (communication was none top, otherwise, I would have warned them) by 2 miles, they apologized and asked if I wanted to be vector around again or would take a hard left directly to the FAF. I told the hard left, and I crank it around, intercepted the localizer about 1 mile from the FAF, had to loose 1000 ft and get everything lined up. Examiner was pretty quiet at this time and minute later I had everything lined up and flew the needles in the doughnut the rest of the way down to minimums.
Now it was time to go missed and cancel IFR and go out and do maneuvers. We did a couple of unusual attitudes, turns, climbs etc.
Last up was the non-precision GPS approach back into my home airport (K34). Ron gave me vectors to final. This approach was flown with no Dynon EFIS, so I had to use my mechanical AIS, ALT, VSI and TruTrak Turn Coorinator. This approached ended by doing a circling to land at minimums. I hard a very smooth landing and Ron commented that I did an A+ job, and that I knew the airplane well. I guess anyone who has built there own airplane can definitely say that!
In summary, I was a 100 hour pilot when I started flying my RV-10 (First flight May 26, 2006). I had logged a long cross country to Canada and Oshkosh in it and then other numerous smaller ones. I had received about 44 hours of dual from my CFII Andy Crabtree (Now building a RV-7) in my RV-10. I had 51 hours of Actual/Simulated IFR at the time of this checkride. Now I am at the 300 hour mark as a pilot and the plane has 212 on the Hobbs. This couldn't get any better than this.
Sorry to be so wordy, but as you can tell, I was pumped!
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr(at)sprint.com
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DOUGPFLYRV(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:05 am Post subject: IFR Training and Checkride in an RV-10 |
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Congratulations Ray. Hope u have many years and thousands of hours of fun in your 10.
Blue skies & tailwinds......at least part of the time.
Doug Preston
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deutscht(at)rhwhotels.com
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: IFR Training and Checkride in an RV-10 |
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Ray, you are to be commended for your efforts! It is quite a feat to
become IFR rated with only 300 hours. (even though I have flown with you
and know you are a good pilot) I look forward to having you teach me to
fly my 10 IFR. Enjoy the rating and let's keep each other current!
Tom Deutsch,
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sstella(at)incisaledge.co
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:40 am Post subject: IFR Training and Checkride in an RV-10 |
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Ray,
Congrats on your check ride. It's nice to see that a low time pilot
shouldn't have a problem flying the RV-10. I have about 70 hours right now
and should have at least 100 or more by the time I finish the kit (I just
started). Enjoy the RV experience (I'm jealous!).
Steve
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jchang10
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: IFR Training and Checkride in an RV-10 |
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Ray... Congratulations on the new rating. That is an oustanding achievement and
a great report. Especially so, since that is exactly what my plan has been. I
was " this close to buying a 182 a year ago so I could then pursue my IFR
rating.
Instead, I jumped into the unkown of building an experimental. In a few years, I
hope to get that instrument rating in my own -10 just like you have!
Jae
http://www.jline.com/rv10
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In summary, I was a 100 hour pilot when I started flying my RV-10 (First flight
May 26, 2006). I had logged a long cross country to Canada and Oshkosh in it
and then other numerous smaller ones. I had received about 44 hours of dual
from my CFII Andy Crabtree (Now building a RV-7) in my RV-10. I had 51 hours of
Actual/Simulated IFR at the time of this checkride. Now I am at the 300 hour
mark as a pilot and the plane has 212 on the Hobbs. This couldn't get any
better than this.
Sorry to be so wordy, but as you can tell, I was pumped!
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Ray.R.Doerr(at)sprint.com
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: IFR Training and Checkride in an RV-10 |
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It is not a hard airplane to fly, it is just fast and everything happen faster, and you need to be ready for that. The big issue with being a low time private pilot (No IFR Ticket) is going to be with getting any insurance or reasonable insurance. This fact makes no sense when you have RV-7's and 8's as fast as the RV-10 and more unstable to fly. But then the hull value on a RV-10 is going to be much higher. I can say I had to have a friend (Tom Deutsch on this list) help me change the minds of the underwriters at AIG to ensure me on my RV-10.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
40250 (N519RV Flying 212 Hrs)
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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:29 am Post subject: IFR Training and Checkride in an RV-10 |
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Congratulations Ray, you've made a very good and important step
and your long-term safety by improved flying skills is a
great thing! As you by now I'm sure are well aware, there's
a lot going on during IFR flight, and the RV-10 makes a great
plane with it's stability assisting you, not detracting from
your ability to keep control. Now for the next 200 hours, you
can spend your time putting those skills to work and going
places!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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As of Jan 11, 2007, I have successfully pass my IFR checkride with Ron Albertson (Awesome guy by the way).
I just wanted to let other builders of the RV-10 know that it is awesome to receive your entire IRF training like I did in your own RV-10. And then be able to find an examiner willing to do the checkride in an experimental airplane. Ron had only one experience in an experimental prior to do the checkride in my RV-10. He flew a Burt Rutan design and told the owner "Thanks" but that he would never fly that again. Since that was his only experience with experimental, I made it my duty to try and change his mind. So after we finished the checkride, some of his comments were,
"Awesome IFR Panel", this was mainly because he liked the Dynon EFIS and EMS and the dual Garmin 430's that he had 1,000 of hours flying behind.
"Wow", this was when I climbed out at 100 Knots and 1500 Ft/Min with full fuel.
"Very Stable IFR Platform", this was when he took the stick for unusual attitudes, better known as "Instructor Fun Time".
After the checkride I was confident that I had changed the mind of this one very highly qualified Professional on the point of Experimental Aircraft, specifically the Van's RV-10.
The checkride consisted of:
File IFR to Topeka, KS Billard (KTOP) for the VOR 22 7 DME ARC. This was a non-precision approach using the autopilot. I was not ready for this because, I had thought he would have wanted this hand flown as I have practiced 10 times before. Anyway the TruTrak DigiFlight II with GPSS worked awesome. It flew us directly to the IAF (KUMGY) on the Arc, then the autopilot flew the Arc while I monitored the distance from the VOR. Then at DMARCY, and Intermediate fix, the autopilot cranked it 90 degrees to the left to fly the 25 degree radial (Heading 205) to the station, then after crossing the VOR, it changed to the 214 degree radial directly to the runway. All I had to do during this time is monitor the approach using the VOR driving the #1 CDI, while my #2 CDI was indicating if I was on the arc/radial via the GPS.
Next up was the Missed approach back to the hold, where we did a couple of turns and then back into KTOP for the ILS 13 using Vectors from Kansas City Center. Center was extremely busy at this point and they forgot about me after the last 90 degree intercept they gave me. After blowing through the localizer (communication was none top, otherwise, I would have warned them) by 2 miles, they apologized and asked if I wanted to be vector around again or would take a hard left directly to the FAF. I told the hard left, and I crank it around, intercepted the localizer about 1 mile from the FAF, had to loose 1000 ft and get everything lined up. Examiner was pretty quiet at this time and minute later I had everything lined up and flew the needles in the doughnut the rest of the way down to minimums.
Now it was time to go missed and cancel IFR and go out and do maneuvers. We did a couple of unusual attitudes, turns, climbs etc.
Last up was the non-precision GPS approach back into my home airport (K34). Ron gave me vectors to final. This approach was flown with no Dynon EFIS, so I had to use my mechanical AIS, ALT, VSI and TruTrak Turn Coorinator. This approached ended by doing a circling to land at minimums. I hard a very smooth landing and Ron commented that I did an A+ job, and that I knew the airplane well. I guess anyone who has built there own airplane can definitely say that!
In summary, I was a 100 hour pilot when I started flying my RV-10 (First flight May 26, 2006). I had logged a long cross country to Canada and Oshkosh in it and then other numerous smaller ones. I had received about 44 hours of dual from my CFII Andy Crabtree (Now building a RV-7) in my RV-10. I had 51 hours of Actual/Simulated IFR at the time of this checkride. Now I am at the 300 hour mark as a pilot and the plane has 212 on the Hobbs. This couldn't get any better than this.
Sorry to be so wordy, but as you can tell, I was pumped!
Thank You
Ray Doerr
CDNI Principal Engineer
Sprint PCS
16020 West 113th Street
Lenexa, KS 66219
Mailstop KSLNXK0101
(913) 859-1414 (Office)
(913) 226-0106 (Pcs)
(913) 859-1234 (Fax)
Ray.R.Doerr(at)sprint.com
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sstella(at)incisaledge.co
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:31 am Post subject: IFR Training and Checkride in an RV-10 |
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Well it won't be easy to accumulate a lot of hours while I'm building but
hopefully I will be able to free up enough time for some flying and some
transition training when I get closer to completion.
Steve
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Vern(at)teclabsinc.com
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: IFR Training and Checkride in an RV-10 |
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Too Cool! Congratulations and thanks for a very nice write up. Ray do
you have any pictures of your panel? I for one would love to see the
layout.
Vern (#324 fuselage)
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jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.c
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:50 pm Post subject: IFR Training and Checkride in an RV-10 |
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Congratulations Ray. I ditto all of the accolades and really admire the hard
work it takes to accomplish the IFR ticket. I am even more excited about
what the RV-10 can do and can't wait to get ours flying.
John Testement
jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
FWF, engine, wiring
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: IFR Training and Checkride in an RV-10 |
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Ray,
Congratulations, What a super accomplishment. First, you built a fantastic plane and now you can fly it in the clouds! If you ever need IFR practice to KGRI let me know.......free taxi and lunch when you land. Larry L. called a few times this week for questions on the RV 10 but he said he calls you for all the Electronics questions! Maybe by the end of this year we can fly a threesome formation (Larry L., you and me).
FLY SAFE!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject: IFR Training and Checkride in an RV-10 |
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Thanks again everyone for your praise. I have attached three pictures of my panel during the build process. I will try to take some more current ones this weekend since it is not looking up to being a flying weekend, not even an IFR one. Some of the changes I made since these pictures is the Falcon Turn Coordinator was replaced with the TruTrak T.C. (This was a direct replacement, even the connector was the same), and Nulite Light Wedges were added between the Panel and my mechanical gauge for night flying.
Thanks
Ray Doerr
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of John Testement
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Subject: RE: IFR Training and Checkride in an RV-10
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Congratulations Ray. I ditto all of the accolades and really admire the hard
work it takes to accomplish the IFR ticket. I am even more excited about
what the RV-10 can do and can't wait to get ours flying.
John Testement
jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
FWF, engine, wiring
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dmaib@me.com
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: IFR Training and Checkride in an RV-10 |
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Great post Ray. Congratulations. Your panel looks great as well. Did you do the panel yourself, or is it from Stein or one of the other panel companies? I am planning to use Stein and have been working with him on some panel designs.
Regards,
David Maib
#40559
tailcone
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On Jan 12, 2007, at 6:45 PM, Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote:
Thanks again everyone for your praise. I have attached three pictures of my panel during the build process. I will try to take some more current ones this weekend since it is not looking up to being a flying weekend, not even an IFR one. Some of the changes I made since these pictures is the Falcon Turn Coordinator was replaced with the TruTrak T.C. (This was a direct replacement, even the connector was the same), and Nulite Light Wedges were added between the Panel and my mechanical gauge for night flying.
Thanks
Ray Doerr
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) on behalf of John Testement
Sent: Fri 1/12/2007 3:49 PM
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Subject: RE: IFR Training and Checkride in an RV-10
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Congratulations Ray. I ditto all of the accolades and really admire the hard
work it takes to accomplish the IFR ticket. I am even more excited about
what the RV-10 can do and can't wait to get ours flying.
John Testement
jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com (jwt(at)roadmapscoaching.com)
40321
Richmond, VA
FWF, engine, wiring
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