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cloudvalley(at)comcast.ne
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:02 am Post subject: Empennage

Hello,

  My wife and I have finished the empennage! Now we have a wait to get to the rest of the kit, in order to get other things ready to facilitate the building process, like a well-equipped shop! Exciting and frustrating already, and we are fairly new in the group. We were told the tail section is the most difficult if you are getting the quickbuild. Does anyone agree with that?

  

 Brian and Ruth Preston

 #40666

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:31 am Post subject: Empennage

I'd disagree for sure.  The tail is lots of busy work, but the plans

are pretty good....same with the wings, and none of it is too hard.

Where you really get into some less fun stuff would be in some of the

canopy/door/cowl/fairing/FWF and other stuff.  Your QB fuse will

sure save you what is probably the most difficult part of the metal

building, but it's the glass work that is probably the biggest pain

and the hardest to get perfect.  Not meaning to disappoint you, but

that's just my opinion.  Too bad they don't offer a QB fiberglass

kit....with the canopy trimmed and fit and the doors installed. 



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

cloudvalley(at)comcast.net wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hello,

  My wife and I have finished the empennage! Now we have a wait to get to 

 the rest of the kit, in order to get other things ready to facilitate 

 the building process, like a well-equipped shop! Exciting and 

 frustrating already, and we are fairly new in the group. We were told 

 the tail section is the most difficult if you are getting the 

 quickbuild. Does anyone agree with that?

  

 Brian and Ruth Preston

 #40666

 

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mritter509(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:59 am Post subject: Empennage

Tim is right on about the fiberglass work not being much fun.  It would be 

bad enough without the poor quality of the canopy, doors, wheel fairings and 

cowl.  Mine were rough and it takes a lot of work to make them look nice.

Hopefully they have improved the workmanship since my kit number 40043 and 

you will whiz right on through that part of the building.

Mark

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Empennage

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:31:22 -0600

I'd disagree for sure.  The tail is lots of busy work, but the plans

are pretty good....same with the wings, and none of it is too hard.

Where you really get into some less fun stuff would be in some of the

canopy/door/cowl/fairing/FWF and other stuff.  Your QB fuse will

sure save you what is probably the most difficult part of the metal

building, but it's the glass work that is probably the biggest pain

and the hardest to get perfect.  Not meaning to disappoint you, but

that's just my opinion.  Too bad they don't offer a QB fiberglass

kit....with the canopy trimmed and fit and the doors installed. 

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

cloudvalley(at)comcast.net wrote:

>Hello,

>  My wife and I have finished the empennage! Now we have a wait to get to 

>the rest of the kit, in order to get other things ready to facilitate the 

>building process, like a well-equipped shop! Exciting and frustrating 

>already, and we are fairly new in the group. We were told the tail section 

>is the most difficult if you are getting the quickbuild. Does anyone agree 

>with that?

>  Brian and Ruth Preston

>#40666

>

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>*

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: Empennage

I agree completely.  The metal work is a lot of hours, but very little of it

is very hard.  The hardest part (at least for those of us who are not

fiberglass masters) would be the fiberglass parts.  The plans are not as

good as they could be in those parts, and the parts from Van's, as has been

discussed recently, are not as precise as the metal parts.  Every door fits

a little bit differently.  Every cabin top is a little different.  The

scribe marks are half-decent for reference, but you can never count on them.

If you follow the marks on the fiberglass as perfect, you will certainly

find yourself in problems.  Even the marks on the doors that are used to

hold it to the fuse when gluing the halves can be as much as an inch or two

off, which could really mess up the door if they are counted on.



The nice thing about the tail is that there are 5 completely separate goals

of building, each of which you can see substantial progress on in a short

period of time.  When you get to the cabin top or doors, you can work hours

and hours and it looks almost the same as when you started (although it is

not the same - better hopefully, and closer to being done).



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

www.saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



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jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: Empennage

They haven't.  I don't know if it is a matter of molds getting worn out

(does this happen) or molders getting lazy, but there have been no

improvements from 40241 to 40607.



Do not archive.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



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pilot4pay

Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Posts: 171
Location: Louisville, KY

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:23 am Post subject: Empennage

.  Too bad they don't offer a QB fiberglass

kit....with the canopy trimmed and fit and the doors installed. 



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive



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n8vim(at)arrl.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:28 am Post subject: Empennage

>Too bad they don't offer a QB fiberglass

kit....with the canopy trimmed and fit and the doors installed. 

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Now that is an excellent idea! Email Van's about this idea of yours.

-Jim 40384

Tim Olson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 I'd disagree for sure.  The tail is lots of busy work, but the plans

 are pretty good....same with the wings, and none of it is too hard.

 Where you really get into some less fun stuff would be in some of the

 canopy/door/cowl/fairing/FWF and other stuff.  Your QB fuse will

 sure save you what is probably the most difficult part of the metal

 building, but it's the glass work that is probably the biggest pain

 and the hardest to get perfect.  Not meaning to disappoint you, but

 that's just my opinion.  Too bad they don't offer a QB fiberglass

 kit....with the canopy trimmed and fit and the doors installed. 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 do not archive

 cloudvalley(at)comcast.net wrote:

> Hello,

>  My wife and I have finished the empennage! Now we have a wait to get 

> to the rest of the kit, in order to get other things ready to 

> facilitate the building process, like a well-equipped shop! Exciting 

> and frustrating already, and we are fairly new in the group. We were 

> told the tail section is the most difficult if you are getting the 

> quickbuild. Does anyone agree with that?

>  

> Brian and Ruth Preston

> #40666

>

> *

> *

mritter509(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: Empennage

Jesse,



I found a painter that wanted to do the finishing work on the fiberglass.  

He really put some lipstick on a pig - it came out of the paint shop looking 

great.



Mark





[quote]From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse(at)itecusa.org>

Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Empennage

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:18:05 -0500






They haven't.  I don't know if it is a matter of molds getting worn out

(does this happen) or molders getting lazy, but there have been no

improvements from 40241 to 40607.



Do not archive.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



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wvu(at)ameritel.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:40 am Post subject: Empennage

It's all good.  Sometimes it's fun to "play in the mud"-NOT!

I spent a lot of time scratching my head and being indicisive after the 

airframe was completed.

That's the frustrating part to me.

Anh

N591VU-3.5hrs



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jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: Empennage

Oh yeah, it can look as good or as bad as you want it to.  That is one of

the beauties of fiberglass.  It is a lot harder to make a ding in the metal

look good than in the fiberglass, especially while making it look like

nothing out of the ordinary happened there.  The problem is the number of

hours it takes to do that.



Have you posted any pictures to the list?



Do not archive.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



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mritter509(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:20 am Post subject: Empennage

Jesse,



There is a picture of my RV-10 (N410MR) on the Van's Airforce RV-10's Flying 

List.



Mark





[quote]From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse(at)itecusa.org>

Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Empennage

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:52:51 -0500






Oh yeah, it can look as good or as bad as you want it to.  That is one of

the beauties of fiberglass.  It is a lot harder to make a ding in the metal

look good than in the fiberglass, especially while making it look like

nothing out of the ordinary happened there.  The problem is the number of

hours it takes to do that.



Have you posted any pictures to the list?



Do not archive.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



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ddddsp1(at)juno.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: Empennage

I was told that there is a quickbuild fiberglass kit available.   Trying to remember where I saw one........................oh yea................John Nye had some. 

  

  

Dean 40449 



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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject: Empennage

If there was such a product, and VAN would credit builders the cost of

the canopy & doors, just how much more would a QB builder offer to pay

for such an offering?  Cause it may just be in the works.



John Cox

#40600



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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:50 pm Post subject: Empennage

I also put a downsized version attached to your listing on the

builders list.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Mark Ritter wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Jesse,

 

 There is a picture of my RV-10 (N410MR) on the Van's Airforce RV-10's 

 Flying List.

 

 Mark

mritter509(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: Empennage

Thanks.  I need to learn how to do that downsizing bit.



Mark





 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Empennage

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:49:48 -0600






I also put a downsized version attached to your listing on the

builders list.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

Mark Ritter wrote:

>

>

>Jesse,

>

>There is a picture of my RV-10 (N410MR) on the Van's Airforce RV-10's 

>Flying List.

>

>Mark






	


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tadsargent(at)bellsouth.n
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: Empennage

I am at the point of fitting the cabin top to the airframe.

The sides have a gap of 1/16 to slightly more.  Should I continue to sand 

the door rails to get this to fit better or is the general concensus to let 

the painter fill this small space with epoxy.

Tad Sargent



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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:55 pm Post subject: Empennage

Tad, If your talking about the joggle/ seam between the Cabin cover and 

the aft Fuse just above the longerons, where the CS4-4's go,  then I 

think that you should be happy with 1/16" and filling during 

paint/finishing. If it's around the door frame you've probably got some 

more work to do.



Deems Davis # 406

Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )

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tadsargent wrote:



[quote] 



 I am at the point of fitting the cabin top to the airframe.

 The sides have a gap of 1/16 to slightly more.  Should I continue to 

 sand the door rails to get this to fit better or is the general 

 concensus to let the painter fill this small space with epoxy.

 Tad Sargent



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tadsargent(at)bellsouth.n
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject: Empennage

Exactly the area in question.  Is it possible to continue sanding the door 

sil to bring this gap down or am I going in the wrong direction.  Secondly 

will the gap cause issues later in any respect

Thanks

Tad

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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: Empennage

Tad, The 'Joggle' is only cosmetic, as long as you have enough 

fiberglass material below the fuse skins edges to allow for the doubler 

and sufficient edge distance for the CS4-4's, when match drilled, stop 

while you're ahead. If you continue sanding on the door sill you run the 

risk of thinning this piece too much and weakening it. The door 

frame/sill is NOT cosmetic, it is structural, the more actual fiberglass 

material you sand away the weaker the structure.



Deems Davis # 406

Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )

http://deemsrv10.com/



tadsargent wrote:



[quote] 



 Exactly the area in question.  Is it possible to continue sanding the 

 door sil to bring this gap down or am I going in the wrong direction.  

 Secondly will the gap cause issues later in any respect

 Thanks

 Tad

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: Empennage

Which area of the two Deems referred to are you referring to?  I agree that

as long as there is enough overlap to have decent edge clearance on the aft

edge rivets, that's not a big deal.  Fill it in the end and it will be fine.

If the gap is around the door, I don't see how sanding will make the gap

smaller.  A picture would help here.  The uprights fore and aft of the door

are vertical, so lowering the cabin top into the opening will not close a

gap, I don't think.  When in doubt, stop sanding and check around, just like

you are doing.



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

www.saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694

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