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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Hi All,

  

 I need some suggestions for sticking sticking  aluminum to aluminum. I am making some pieces to cover gaps in my skins that are  a little larger than I like. I would like to glue them on. They don't need to be  removable.

  

 Thanks,

  

 Dave in Salem.

 It's nice to have a heated  shop.

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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Dave-

     Don't take this the wrong way-  seek professional help before you hurt someone.

 Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville, Pa

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:27 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

If you search the  archives for the word "glue" you should find a thread entitled "New thread, sticky subject" starting on Nov  16th, 2006. It was about bonding metal planes together. But I agree that this is  a place to proceed very cautiously. Even if you convince yourself you will also  have to convince whoever inspects your plane. And those pieces could be very  hard to remove if he objects.

  

 --  Craig

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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Hi Dave,



 I'm afraid glue doesn't work so well on aluminum.  The standard way to attach pieces of aluminum together is (would you believe it . . . ) rivets.  Perhaps you should consider riveting some patches on your gaps.



 Best regards,



 Paul

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 At 03:40 PM 1/13/2007, you wrote:

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		  Hi All,

  

 I need some suggestions for sticking sticking aluminum to aluminum. I am making some pieces to cover gaps in my skins that are a little larger than I like. I would like to glue them on. They don't need to be removable.

  

 Thanks,

  

 Dave in Salem.

 It's nice to have a heated shop.

 	
 

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 Paul Mulwitz

 32013 NE Dial Road

 Camas, WA 98607

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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

I DON'T NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP. I'M PERFECTLY  FINE. WHEN I ASKED THE  VOICES IN MY HEAD IF I'M OK THEY SAY THERE IS  ABSOLUTELY  NOTHING WRONG WITH ME, AND I AGREE.

  

  

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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Hi Craig,

  

 Don't pay any attention to what Bill said. You have  to get to know me, although there is an underlaying tone about your response  too.

  

 First of all, it's not like I'm going to glue my  plane together. I can figure out how to get the engine to stick to the  mount.

  

 I was thinking about putting some thin .016  aluminum washers I made around the tank drains in the bottom of the wing. I  located the holes really good on the first 2 tanks, but one of the other ones  has the hole through the bottom of the wing quite a ways off. I just want to  trim it in so it looks better.

  

 I now return control of your TV set back to  you.

  

  

  

  

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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

I suppose I'll have to do it the right way after  all. I have heard about riveting metal to metal. I'll have to look into that.  I'd be really embarrassed if I was found dead in the wreckage of my plane that  crashed because a 2" circle of aluminum came off the wing and cut the tail off  the plane causing me to go into an uncontrolled death spiral and make a smoking  hole in the ground. But, it is possible that the metal circle would have melted  in the post crash fire. 

  

  

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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Dave-

     I just figured you might have a  little trouble finding a wingman to fly formation with you, with the pieces  glued on that didn't necessarily HAVE to be removable!

 Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville, Pa

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

I'm certain that you can determine what is safe for you  plane. And note that (so far) I am the only one who has pointed towards any real  information. But flying is encumbered but a certain amount of  bureaucracy, inertia and officialdom. And it is true that many  inspectors won't notice a missing wing. All I am saying is:

  

 Question authority (but be prepared when it  answers).

  

 -- Craig

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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Bill,

  

 Just remember those rubber gloves you referred to  for polishing go on your hands, not your head. I've heard it's really hard to  breath with them on, but can kind of see through them.

  

 Your welcome,

  

 Dave

  

  

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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Thank you very much. Once again I can say that this  list is so full of..............? Really good advice.

  

 I suppose that someone will say something about  taking responsibility for a person own actions. I just hate that.

  

  

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NYTerminat(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Dave,

  

 Heh don't be sarcastic, look what happened to the Space Shuttle from a  piece of foam insulation. All kidding aside, the RV crowd uses Proseal to bond  aluminum together, you can buy it from Vans Aircraft.

  

 Bob Spudis

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 In a message dated 1/13/2007 8:51:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  pacificpainting(at)comcast.net writes:

  

  

  

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		     I suppose I'll have to do it the right way    after all. I have heard about riveting metal to metal. I'll have to look into    that. I'd be really embarrassed if I was found dead in the wreckage of my    plane that crashed because a 2" circle of aluminum came off the wing and cut    the tail off the plane causing me to go into an uncontrolled death spiral and    make a smoking hole in the ground. But, it is possible that the metal circle    would have melted in the post crash fire. 

	
 

  

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btucke73(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Dave,



     I am glad you have a sense of humor.  I would

have gotten pissed off.  Why don't we find out why and

where he wants to glue before casting remarks.  I

think glue is a very good idea for this situation.



VR/



Brandon

601 HDS / TD / Corvair

53 hours

 

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NYTerminat(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Dave, just another thought would be to make domed shaped covers with the  hole for the tank sump and then it will look like you put fairings on your tank  sumps to reduce the drag and make your plane faster.

  

 Bob Spudis

  

  

  

  

  

 In a message dated 1/13/2007 9:27:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  NYTerminat(at)aol.com writes:

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		     I suppose I'll have to do it the right way    after all. I have heard about riveting metal to metal. I'll have to look into    that. I'd be really embarrassed if I was found dead in the wreckage of my    plane that crashed because a 2" circle of aluminum came off the wing and cut    the tail off the plane causing me to go into an uncontrolled death spiral and    make a smoking hole in the ground. But, it is possible that the metal circle    would have melted in the post crash fire.  

	


 

  

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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

I forgot about the RV stuff. I built the empennage, wings and the tanks for  an RV9A, so I'm familiar with ProSeal. I got some a couple of months ago. I'm  not sure if it's still ProSeal or not, but it looks and works the same.

  

  

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John Bolding

Joined: 23 May 2006
Posts: 281

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Proseal will reliably stick snot to a polished brass  doorknob,  repaired some RV3 tanks I built 30 yrs ago and the alum would  tear before it would peel even with all the rivets drilled out.  Just don't  get it on you (right!) as you'll wear it for a couple weeks.    LOW&SLOW   John Bolding

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   Dave,

    

   Heh don't be sarcastic, look what happened to the Space Shuttle from a    piece of foam insulation. All kidding aside, the RV crowd uses Proseal to bond    aluminum together, you can buy it from Vans Aircraft.

    

   Bob Spudis

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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Speaking of domed covers. I do have to make some for the access holes for  the fuel senders. They aren't flush with the top of the wing and there is a  small piece of nylon that you are supposed to attach to the bottom of the cover  so it doesn't contact the sender and blow you up. I made a pretend one out of  resin and a paint strainer bag,but I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet. I may  just ad that to the last 90% left to finish when I'm about done. I think there  was talk of domed covers a while back. Has anyone done this successfully? I am  open to suggestions. We'll, some of them anyway.

 I have streamline strut fairings. With more aerodynamics on the sump valves  I may exceed the Vne of the plane.

  

  

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NYTerminat(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Dave, What does Zenith use for strut fairings? Is it aluminum and did you  have to fabricate them, I am interested in putting them on my 701. Or by  Steamline do you mean Streamline's PVC fairings? Don't worry about exceeding VNE  

  

 Bob Spudis

  

  

  

  

 In a message dated 1/13/2007 9:55:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  pacificpainting(at)comcast.net writes:

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   I have streamline strut fairings. With more aerodynamics on the sump    valves I may exceed the Vne of the plane.

    

    

	


 

  

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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

I take what I want and leave the rest. I could be smiling while I am giving 

everyone the "salute". Besides I do have a button that says delete. Life's 

to short to get all worked up about stuff that doesn't really matter.

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planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

the very best "adhesive" available is ProSeal 870 or 890. period. Just make sure that you don't leave any exposed because paint will eventually flake off it. Thsi product is designed for fay and fillet sealing fuel tanks and weather sealing of cabins.



Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting(at)comcast.net> wrote:  [quote]        Hi All,

   

  I need some suggestions for sticking sticking aluminum to aluminum. I am making some pieces to cover gaps in my skins that are a little larger than I like. I would like to glue them on. They don't need to be removable.

   

  Thanks,

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