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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Bob,

  

 I haven't made the strut fairings yet. Waiting until the plane is  assembled. They are made of aluminum. They are more or less pre-bent. They still  have to be pulled around and riveted. This is for an 801. I don't know if 701's  have them. I don't see why they couldn't be fabricated. There should be a  picture of them in the 801 part of the Zenith website. I just got them so I  wouldn't have round tubes showing. Mainly just for looks and so I could spend  some more money. They are an option. Not included in the kit.

  

 Dave

  

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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

I knew if I waited long enough someone would give  me an answer I wanted.

  

 Thank You Sir

  

  

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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:04 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Dave-

     Cripes, read your original post.  How would you respond to it?

     Whatever. Nothing surprises me  anymore.

 Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville, Pa

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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Hi Bill,

  

 I see what you mean. I think a lot of the squabbles  that get started on this list are due to misunderstandings. When you have to try  to interpret what another person or persons mean by only being able to read it,  it is difficult. Speaking on my own behalf I am here because I can use the help  from others that have gone before me, maybe try to help some with what I know,  and most of all, just for the fun of it. I try not to get caught up in the  moment during some of the discussions. Sometimes I just need a break from it  all. It's been fun getting to know others on this list and I do learn a lot. I  don't know where I'm going with this, but I will say, anyone can say what they  want to me on this list. We all have that right. (This is the part where the  fireworks start and someone starts sing the national anthem). All the time I've  spent messing around on the computer tonight I could have made and remade at  least a couple of parts.

  

 Dave

  

  

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skyguynca

Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 128

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

there are actually several good aluminum to  aluminum adheasives. it is not cheap though. I have several different kinds  depending on flexibility after setting, and yes they are used on certified  airplanes. The Traveler and Tiger by Gruman use bonded wings, no  rivets.

  

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badbob

Joined: 07 Jan 2007
Posts: 8
Location: Willamina, Oregon

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:57 am Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Hi guys, I am a new subscriber. My intent is to  build a 601XL either corvair or 0-200 powered. For Dave: I used to own a Thorp  T-18 and had two 2" covers on the bottom of the aircraft "glued" on with  silicon. I have had the aircraft up to 210MPH and they stayed on!

  

 Bob in Oregon

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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:28 am Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Dave-

     The problem is, you can never  tell when someone's serious and when they're adding a tongue in cheek comment.  I'm as guilty as any in this respect.

     A couple of years ago there was  a string re: fitting fiberglass end ribs. You know, the ones that you mount  position lights to. One lister was worried about what to do about a 1/4" gap  between the wing skin and the fiberglass. Another lister said "1/4" isn't  bad, I had 3/4" and just filled it in with bondo." 

     I 'm sure you get my point.  I also agree, you can't live without a heated workshop. It's hard enough  getting myself out to polish without having to microwave the Nuvite  first!

                                                                                      do not archive 

 Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville, Pa

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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:22 am Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Hi Bill,

  

 I agree with D. all of the above.

  

 I've been watching the polishing episode to see  what really works. I have thought about polishing just the slats on the 801, but  I have plenty of time to decide that. I had a polished Ercoupe a few years ago.  It came that way. It seemed to stay looking good for quite a while. I sold it to  a couple of guys that were going to learn to fly in it. Last I heard about all  they did was polish it. It did look good. On a hot sunny day I think you cold  get a sunburn by just standing next to it. 

  

 Dave

  

  

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pacificpainting(at)comcas
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Hi Bob,

  

 Where in Oregon are you?

  

 Dave in Salem

  

  

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georgerace

Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Posts: 788
Location: Albion, MI

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Extreme Adhesives makes a complete line of adhesives that will meet any requirement you may be looking for in Aluminum to Aluminum bonding.    

   

The link below will take you to their comparison chart for materials and strength of bonding.  

   

http://extremeadhesives.com/guide-plastics.php?gclid=CIugiNGW4IkCFSLiYAodHVnkFg  

   

A nice paper on the virtues of Adhesive Bonding over Mechanical Bonding can be found at the link below.  

This is part of an aerospace industry study.  

   

http://www.dreamweaverproductions.net/wrm2003/ind_abs.pdf  

   

George  

   

   

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ihab.awad(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Hi Dave,



On 1/13/07, Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting(at)comcast.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I need some suggestions for sticking sticking aluminum to aluminum. I am

 making some pieces to cover gaps in my skins that are a little larger than I

 like. I would like to glue them on. They don't need to be removable.


	


I have had very good results with Scotch-Weld DP-460 epoxy applied

over either plain aluminum (degreased and scuffed) or over Cortec 373.

Here is a supplier --



  http://cstsales.com/epoxy_adhesives.html



Ihab



-- 

Ihab A.B. Awad, Palo Alto, CA

pacificpainting(at)comcas
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Thanks.



I just looked through the link you sent. Really interesting stuff.



Dave

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planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:34 am Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Hey Dave, maybe these would do the job without bonding on metal disks?

  http://www.aircraftextras.com/FuelDrainFairings.htm

  



Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting(at)comcast.net> wrote:

  [quote]        Hi All,

   

  I need some suggestions for sticking sticking aluminum to aluminum. I am making some pieces to cover gaps in my skins that are a little larger than I like. I would like to glue them on. They don't need to be removable.

   

  Thanks,

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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

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pacificpainting(at)comcas
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

I don't know what I did, but I just sent  something.

  

 I couldn't get the site to open.

  

  

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planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Try this:

  http://tinyurl.com/yfndp7[url=http://tinyurl.com/68ij][/url]



Dave Ruddiman <pacificpainting(at)comcast.net> wrote: 

  [quote]    I don't know what I did, but I just sent something.

   

  I couldn't get the site to open.

   

   

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alex_001

Joined: 14 Jan 2007
Posts: 61

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:06 am Post subject: Re: Metal to Metal Adehisive

Hello, we have build many racecar chassis (years ago when the used to be alloy or alloy honeycomb) and now in Carbon and we have used Scotch Weld 9323 B/A  with big sucsess also no problem with aging as planes get far older then race cars.

This glue also is of good strenght if you have to fill up small gaps.

also very good in high temp (just incase you would like to fly very fast    )

we made several tests on torsion stiffnes and this product had the best results. when cured off completly rivets have more or less no need anymore.

very important is clean surface and achted before (scotchbrite etc)

happy bonding

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