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jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: Aerostar message

Hi All



Could someone forward me Christians attachment?  I get the digest minus

attachments.



Jorgen

jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:38 pm Post subject: Aerostar message

Got it thanks.  She looks good but $285k?  Think I am going to fall in love

with mine all over again.



------------------------------------------------

 Hi All



Could someone forward me Christians attachment?  I get the digest minus

attachments.



Jorgen

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject: Aerostar message

Yes sir! That 85 52 with it's new engine and the 78 50  with only 143 hours

total time are looking a whoooolllleeeee lot better! Considering you can

get the Dynon D10 for $2200 and D100 for $2400.  The Garmin 430 can be had

for $ 6900 with installation hardware. Now I realize the cost of

manufacturing an airplane, but a $100,000 increase in one year is a bit

steep in my humble opinion! 

Doc

 	  Quote: 	
		   [Original Message]

 From: Jorgen Nielsen <jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co.za>

 To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 1/14/2007 3:43:20 PM

 Subject: Aerostar message



 

<jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co.za>
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Got it thanks.  She looks good but $285k?  Think I am going to fall in

love
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   with mine all over again.



 ------------------------------------------------

  Hi All



 Could someone forward me Christians attachment?  I get the digest minus

 attachments.



 Jorgen

KJKimball(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: Aerostar message

What about the multi point fuel injection and electronic ignition listed as  improvements in the Yak 52 TW Mk II?  Is there any info on this, who makes  it, where to get it and how it works?  

  

 Sincerely,



Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering

Jim  Kimball Enterprises, Inc.

PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.

Zellwood, FL  32798

407-889-3451 phone

407-889-7168 fax

www.jimkimballenterprises.com  

www.pittsmodel12.com  

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david(at)mcgirt.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: Aerostar message

Those of us that have TW's already, will just love them even more now.. 

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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: Aerostar message

The only fuel injection system being put on M-14 P's is the one that is being put on the M-14's powering the Radial Rocket kits. If my limited information is correct. It costs $5000 and fits directly onto the carb mounts on the supercharger. It requires a spring change on the fuel pump to keep the fuel flow at 35 psi. It is made and supplied by Airflow Performance.

 Dennis Savarese and George Coy have more info on this system over and above what I just said.

 This system is not a multiport injection system though. So really,guess I did not answer the multiport question though did I? The only fuel injection system that I know of for the M-14 is this one  supplied by airflow perfomance. It is a pretty ingenious system from what I can tell so far. 

 Can't shead any enlightment on the electronic ignition. Would be nice to know who and where that system comes from along with it's reliability. 

 Doc

  

 



  

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KJKimball(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: Aerostar message

Doc,

  

 I am familiar with the Airflow injection which works much like the bendix  system for PW985 engines.  It is a single point injection.  The ad  indicates multiport injection and electronic ignition specifically.  I  would assume the 2 systems are married together.  I have heard rumors of  such systems being underway but this is the first ad indicating it is  available.  

  

 Sincerely,



Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering

Jim  Kimball Enterprises, Inc.

PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.

Zellwood, FL  32798

407-889-3451 phone

407-889-7168 fax

www.jimkimballenterprises.com  

www.pittsmodel12.com  

  [quote][b]

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: Aerostar message

I need to correct the statement on the price of the injection system from Air  Performance. It  lists for $3,736.

 Doc

  

 



  

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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject: Aerostar message

Kevin,

 Agree, I have heard the same but have not seen any info on them to date. 

 Doc

  

 



  

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pa3arw(at)euronet.nl
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: Aerostar message

There almost hasn't been an increase in price from Aerostar, in Euro's that

is. The $100k has all to with exchange rate. I hate to say this Doc but

blame Bush for this. I predict it will get worse and will get to a point of

$1.40 (or even more) against 1 Euro. Good for us Europeans if we go to the

US but that is about all. From a world economical point of view it's

bad....but, hej, somebody has to pay for the war in Irak......



Hans O.



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----

Van: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] Namens Roger Kemp

Verzonden: maandag 15 januari 2007 2:26

Aan: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Onderwerp: RE: Aerostar message






Yes sir! That 85 52 with it's new engine and the 78 50  with only 143 hours

total time are looking a whoooolllleeeee lot better! Considering you can

get the Dynon D10 for $2200 and D100 for $2400.  The Garmin 430 can be had

for $ 6900 with installation hardware. Now I realize the cost of

manufacturing an airplane, but a $100,000 increase in one year is a bit

steep in my humble opinion! 

Doc

 	  Quote: 	
		   [Original Message]

 From: Jorgen Nielsen <jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co.za>

 To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 1/14/2007 3:43:20 PM

 Subject: Aerostar message



 

<jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co.za>
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Got it thanks.  She looks good but $285k?  Think I am going to fall in

love
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   with mine all over again.



 ------------------------------------------------

  Hi All



 Could someone forward me Christians attachment?  I get the digest minus

 attachments.



 Jorgen

dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:04 am Post subject: Aerostar message

Basic cost is about $4k for the throttle body fuel injection, which is  single point fuel injection.  (In the '80's before multiport fuel injection  was standard on automobiles, some manufactures used a basic carburetor body  casting with two internally mounted fuel injectors above  the carburator throttle plate). Tough to justify with only a very  modest improvement in fuel economy.  IMHO, not enough to spend the $4k plus  installation cost.  In other words, the ROI is not there.

  

 Now lets think about the multiport fuel injection issue.  If an  electric starter is installed on the M14PF-xxx engine, the air injector holes in  the cylinders are not needed for air starting.  Air starting on a  "sissy" Yak (52TW with electric start) is only a backup.   Rather than  recasting the cylinders, wouldn't it be logical to use the air injector holes  for multiport fuel injection?   Mechanical fuel injection timing  could also be set up using the no longer needed air start distributor location  using a device which times the injection of fuel into the cylinder similar to  the air injection from the air start distributor.  Of course the injection  of the fuel would have to be timed to the intake stroke versus the normal  air injection for starting which is on the power stroke.  If it is  electronic fuel injection, then it would make complete sense to include an  electronic ignition with electronic fuel injection.  

  

 As for electronic ignition, this is something I think many of us would be  extremely interested in learning about.

 Dennis

  

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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: Aerostar message

Hans,

Correct on the prices and EU conversion. The Iraq deal is necessary

unfortunately for many reasons. Iran is another major issue. The islamic

fascism is not much better than what Hitler did with Nazism. We can debate

politics off line though. The war is not something I revelle in either but

better to be killing them on their turf than having them here on mine.

Doc

 	  Quote: 	
		   [Original Message]

 From: Hans Oortman <pa3arw(at)euronet.nl>

 To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 1/15/2007 2:35:51 AM

 Subject: RE: Aerostar message



 



 There almost hasn't been an increase in price from Aerostar, in Euro's

that
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   is. The $100k has all to with exchange rate. I hate to say this Doc but

 blame Bush for this. I predict it will get worse and will get to a point

of
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   $1.40 (or even more) against 1 Euro. Good for us Europeans if we go to the

 US but that is about all. From a world economical point of view it's

 bad....but, hej, somebody has to pay for the war in Irak......



 Hans O.



 -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----

 Van: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] Namens Roger Kemp

 Verzonden: maandag 15 januari 2007 2:26

 Aan: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 Onderwerp: RE: Aerostar message



 



 Yes sir! That 85 52 with it's new engine and the 78 50  with only 143

hours
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   total time are looking a whoooolllleeeee lot better! Considering you can

 get the Dynon D10 for $2200 and D100 for $2400.  The Garmin 430 can be had

 for $ 6900 with installation hardware. Now I realize the cost of

 manufacturing an airplane, but a $100,000 increase in one year is a bit

 steep in my humble opinion! 

 Doc

 > [Original Message]

 > From: Jorgen Nielsen <jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co.za>

 > To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 > Date: 1/14/2007 3:43:20 PM

 > Subject: Aerostar message

 >

 > 

 <jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co.za>

 >

 > Got it thanks.  She looks good but $285k?  Think I am going to fall in

 love

 > with mine all over again.

 >

 > ------------------------------------------------

 >  Hi All

 >

 > Could someone forward me Christians attachment?  I get the digest minus

 > attachments.

 >

 > Jorgen

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

HawkerPilot2015

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 503

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: Aerostar message

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		  somebody has to pay for the war in Irak. 	




Somebody has to take care of this problem...would not want it to grow like...say.....that guy in the 30's. We had to take care of that too!

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