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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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 Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: So you can't wait for window's Vista? |
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Umm, what does this have to do with aviation electrics?
Not to mention it’s scary that a PC rag writes a review on a product when they obviously can’t do it objectively. Half of the gripes below are because of vendor drivers, not Vista and the other half are RTFM items. He’s also running the 64 bit version which is not the norm for the average consumer (you can tell by his x86 comment). Lots of things should keep the average Joe from switching to Vista as XP is just fine and there is always OSX or other UNIX variants for those inclined or adventurous, unfortunately this so called review missed the mark.
(been running Vista on a “NOT ready for Vista” laptop for 3 months just fine)
Do not archive this unrelated garbage
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harley
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:41 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients
Subject: So you can't wait for window's Vista?
So you can't wait for Windows new Vista to be released this week? Saw a review of the final version on PC Magazine online, today...Here's some of the results of the testing and review that PC Magazine did on it. They tested the SAME versions that you'll get in the store, and on all types of new machines, laptops, low end, high end, minimum memory and speed, maximum, etc...
I only included some more general cons, but you'll hear about all the claimed pluses from Windows ads that you will be seeing shortly. Of course, they probably won't mention these...
Looks like it needs a lot of work yet to improve on XP...
Harley
Vista won't let you install over an OS that has a C:\Users multiple-users folder. I didn't realize this until after I'd started the installation and typed in my Vista product key. When it came time to choose between a clean install and an overlay, the overlay wasn't an option. So I moved my Users folder. But now the install wouldn't take: Vista thought I'd already completed installation. It took me days to straighten things out
Vista's real competitor, though, is Windows XP. For many users, XP is still good enough. And for all the advances in Vista, it's hard to avoid seeing the things that aren't as good as they could have been.
Nor is Vista bug-free. As I assessed final code, I ran into a variety of small but annoying glitches and found plenty of features that didn't work as seamlessly as I would have liked. I can't shake the feeling that Vista's release was rushed.
Hefty hardware requirements. Minor bugs and rough edges in UI. Lack of a killer app to compel adoption. Many features also available for Windows XP users.
Vista offers improvements over Windows XP, but most of them are conveniences rather than essentials.
Incompatibility issues with latest graphics card drivers from ATI
Some games were more sluggish than in Windows XP Pro.
Had to uninstall Norton Internet Security
Had to remove McAfee security applications
You can't back up your entire system if running a FAT32 file system.
Drive Encryption did not recognize the Trusted Platform Module; you'll need an NTFS file system, TPM, and a BIOS update to run BitLocker.
Vista did not recognize the integrated Sierra Wireless EV-DO card.
Screen orientation, arrow, and escape buttons on the tablet screen do not work.
Had to convert the file system of the C: partition to NTFS before proceeding.
Installing Vista is a lot slower on a budget PC, taking over 3 hours
You might do better with Vista Home Basic. But if that's what you choose, you'll need to install it fresh and reinstall all your applications, because you can't upgrade to Home Basic, only to Premium or Ultimate.
Office 2003 works just as well and as fast as it does in XP, so you don't have to upgrade to Office 2007.
Integrated graphics and 512MB of system memory just aren't enough
Slow when installing programs, playing games, and encoding video. Media Center works, but loading video is slow.
Bugs appeared in older games
Vista did not support ATI's CrossFire
Installer did not autodetect all components,
32-bit programs are installed in a Program Files (x86) folder, which can cause problems for older installers that don't like parentheses in their folder names.
Video became garbled after 15 minutes of viewing live and recorded TV.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: So you can't wait for window's Vista? |
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. They said most of that when
Windows 95 came out too. Just suck it up and buy
a new computer with Vista
pre-installed. Progress can't be
stopped. Wintel marches on. Drink the Koolaid.
Dave Morris
At 05:40 PM 1/16/2007, you wrote:
| Quote: | So you can't wait for Windows new Vista to be
released this week? Saw a review of the final
version on PC Magazine online, today...Here's
some of the results of the testing and review
that PC Magazine did on it. They tested the
SAME versions that you'll get in the store, and
on all types of new machines, laptops, low end,
high end, minimum memory and speed, maximum, etc...
I only included some more general cons, but
you'll hear about all the claimed pluses from
Windows ads that you will be seeing shortly. Of
course, they probably won't mention these...
Looks like it needs a lot of work yet to improve on XP...
Harley
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Vista won't let you install over an OS that has
a C:\Users multiple-users folder. I didn't
realize this until after I'd started the
installation and typed in my Vista product key.
When it came time to choose between a clean
install and an overlay, the overlay wasn't an
option. So I moved my Users folder. But now the
install wouldn't take: Vista thought I'd already
completed installation. It took me days to straighten things out
Vista's real competitor, though, is Windows XP.
For many users, XP is still good enough. And for
all the advances in Vista, it's hard to avoid
seeing the things that aren't as good as they could have been.
Nor is Vista bug-free. As I assessed final code,
I ran into a variety of small but annoying
glitches and found plenty of features that
didn't work as seamlessly as I would have liked.
I can't shake the feeling that Vista's release was rushed.
Hefty hardware requirements. Minor bugs and
rough edges in UI. Lack of a killer app to
compel adoption. Many features also available for Windows XP users.
Vista offers improvements over Windows XP, but
most of them are conveniences rather than essentials.
Incompatibility issues with latest graphics card drivers from ATI
Some games were more sluggish than in Windows XP Pro.
Had to uninstall Norton Internet Security
Had to remove McAfee security applications
You can't back up your entire system if running a FAT32 file system.
Drive Encryption did not recognize the Trusted
Platform Module; you'll need an NTFS file
system, TPM, and a BIOS update to run BitLocker.
Vista did not recognize the integrated Sierra Wireless EV-DO card.
Screen orientation, arrow, and escape buttons on
the tablet screen do not work.
Had to convert the file system of the C: partition to NTFS before proceeding.
Installing Vista is a lot slower on a budget PC, taking over 3 hours
You might do better with Vista Home Basic. But
if that's what you choose, you'll need to
install it fresh and reinstall all your
applications, because you can't upgrade to Home
Basic, only to Premium or Ultimate.
Office 2003 works just as well and as fast as it
does in XP, so you don't have to upgrade to Office 2007.
Integrated graphics and 512MB of system memory just aren't enough
Slow when installing programs, playing games,
and encoding video. Media Center works, but loading video is slow.
Bugs appeared in older games
Vista did not support ATI's CrossFire
Installer did not autodetect all components,
32-bit programs are installed in a Program Files
(x86) folder, which can cause problems for older
installers that don't like parentheses in their folder names.
Video became garbled after 15 minutes of viewing live and recorded TV.
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lists(at)stevet.net
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: So you can't wait for window's Vista? |
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You're right, Harley. Buy a Mac.
Best Regards,
Steve
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On Jan 16, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Harley wrote:
| Quote: | So you can't wait for Windows new Vista to be released this week? Saw a review of the final version on PC Magazine online, today...Here's some of the results of the testing and review that PC Magazine did on it. They tested the SAME versions that you'll get in the store, and on all types of new machines, laptops, low end, high end, minimum memory and speed, maximum, etc...
I only included some more general cons, but you'll hear about all the claimed pluses from Windows ads that you will be seeing shortly. Of course, they probably won't mention these...
Looks like it needs a lot of work yet to improve on XP...
Harley |
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echristley(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: So you can't wait for window's Vista? |
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Steve Thomas wrote:
| Quote: | You're right, Harley. Buy a Mac.
Best Regards,
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8*) Or download Kubuntu Live* CD, and keep your money to buy airplane
parts with. Then you can use Adept to install gEDA and PCB, and be on
your way to making circuit boards.
I finished the board layout for my version of a capacitive fuel level
sensor. I use a second plate along the bottom of the tank instead of a
capacitor as the second input to the comparator. That should make it
more resistant to changes in dielectric constants due to fuel
reformulations. I also chose to forego the audible alarm and opted for
the alarm circuit to provide a ground for an external LED. If anyone
would care to critique/review/ogle the layout, I'd be happy to send a
PDF copy of the schematic and the output of PCB.
* - Kubuntu Live. Live CD's are a relatively new phenomena in Linux,
started by Knoppix distribution. You download an image and burn it to a
CD, making it bootable. You boot the PC from the CD, and you're
presented with a complete Linux destop. Play around. See what all the
fuss is about. Determine for yourself if it is hip or hype. Remove the
CD. Reboot. And you're right back where you started with nothing changed.
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On Jan 16, 2007, at 4:40 PM, Harley wrote:
> So you can't wait for Windows new Vista to be released this week?
> Saw a review of the final version on PC Magazine online,
> today...Here's some of the results of the testing and review that PC
> Magazine did on it. They tested the SAME versions that you'll get in
> the store, and on all types of new machines, laptops, low end, high
> end, minimum memory and speed, maximum, etc...
>
> I only included some more general cons, but you'll hear about all the
> claimed pluses from Windows ads that you will be seeing shortly. Of
> course, they probably won't mention these...
>
> Looks like it needs a lot of work yet to improve on XP...
>
> Harley
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lists(at)stevet.net
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: So you can't wait for window's Vista? |
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Well, it seems to be either time or money. Spend the money on a Mac
and it just works. Or spend hours and hours trying to configure
Linux and get all your peripherals working, time that could be spent
building. Most of us want to build airplanes, not circuit boards.
Do Not Archive
Best Regards,
Steve
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echristley(at)nc.rr.com
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: So you can't wait for window's Vista? |
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Steve Thomas wrote:
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Well, it seems to be either time or money. Spend the money on a Mac
and it just works. Or spend hours and hours trying to configure
Linux and get all your peripherals working, time that could be spent
building. Most of us want to build airplanes, not circuit boards.
Ahh, but how do you count the time if it is a circuit board FOR an
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airplane? 8*)
Macs just work, because Apple has total control over both the software
and hardware. Not a bad system, but you're necessarily limited to the
hardware they recommend. Step out of line and install the random piece
of hardware and it doesn't necessarily just work anymore.
Two months ago, I wouldn't have had an argument about Linux needing
hours and hours of configuration. I was getting fed-up with all the
fiddling that I had to do to keep my Fedora box running. So I tried
Kubuntu on the suggestion of a friend. It was "here we go again" at
first, because I was trying to switch to 64-bit computing. Got tired of
that game and went with the 32-bit version of the distribution. I have
been tickled goofy by how everything just works. It has taken
everything that I've thrown at it.
Burn a Kubuntu Live CD and boot the odd computer up with it. Look for
"Hardware Browser" under "System Tools" in the menu, and note which
hardware the OS didn't find and configure. Do it on multiple systems.
Make sure some of them have really old, cheap, no-name hardware so that
the OS can get a little exercise. If that doesn't convince you that
times have changed, call up "Adept" from the "System Tools". This is
your open-source software shop. Enable all the repositories, then type
something that interests you in the search bar. "flight simulator"
would be a good example. Up pops FlightGear and a few supporting
files. Click the "Request Install" button and then "Process Queue". A
couple downloads, a little disk churning, and there's a new icon in your
system menu for your new flight simulator. If you really like the
simulator, you can construct your own airplane or terrain models and
share them back to the community. Except for initial installation and
installing new programs, I've spent very little time configuring Kubuntu
and much more time actually using it. In this case, Linux just works
(for a change).
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:45 am Post subject: So you can't wait for window's Vista? |
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I made a kubuntu boot cd awhile back for my wife, as their office software
is linux based. Never used it though, but now I'm curious to try it out.
Thanks for the tips.
Craig Smith
Do not archive
UPDATE! ran the UBUNTU boot, and it works! Tower system only known problem couldn't launch my online Sirius radio player but internet access unimpaired, laptop couldn't configure wireless adapter, but only spent about 30 seconds on problem, and moved on to other stuff. I'd like to set up a dedicated or dual boot system now running linux. Looks very interesting. 1-22-07 
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