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taildragon(at)msn.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject: 100LL and TCP

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 Hi List,

  

 Is anyone running 100LL and TCP in a 912UL? Any problems? How do you get  the TCP to mix uniformly with the 100LL. Any problem mixing the 100LL /  TCP and mogas that has ethanol? 

  

 I recently moved my IV-1200 to a County airport where they are very  prejudiced against mogas and encourage using 100LL.

  

 Roger

 N499KF



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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: 100LL and TCP

The reasons for using 100 LL for Contis,  Lycs and even P&W are well documented....  Your 912 is neither of those  and while it can use 100LL in small quantities extended use may damage your  engine or shorten your TBO..... use what the manufacturer recommends.  You  may have to carry your fuel in.  Check in your area.  It is possible  that only the regular grade of gas is contaminated/degraded with  Eth.

  

 Just watch the expression of your FBOs  A&P when you ask him about the dangers of Ethanol in aviation fuel.   What are the bets he answers with one word....."Don't"!

  

  

 

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Noel Loveys
Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats

kitfoxmike

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 373

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: 100LL and TCP

I say you can do it, I did all last winter.  This winter I went all auto fuel and had no problems at all.  Are you in a community hanger?  Can you get into the hanger after hours?  I would just move the plane out on the flight line and pull your vehicle up to it and put the car gas in it.  I use to put it in the airplane in the hanger, generally after hours.  I can get 5 gallons from the storage container to the plastic jug to the airplane in about 5 minutes or less.

Bill Willyard

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 34
Location: Grandville, Michigan U.S.A.

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: 100LL and TCP

>Is anyone running 100LL and TCP in a 912UL? Any problems? How do you  get the TCP to mix uniformly with the 100LL. Any problem mixing the 100LL /  TCP and mogas that has ethanol? 

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   Roger, I have been using 100LL with TCP and Mystery oil for the past year    in my 912ul with no problem. The spark plugs show no sign of lead deposits and    the oil seems to stay very clean looking as compared to how fast I remember    the oil turning dark in my Cessna with out TCP, probably talking apples and    oranges here, but just my observation. I simply add the appropriate amounts of    both to the fuel tanks after toping off. I figure dispersion and sloshing    during the next flight will take care of the mixing. I can't comment on the    ethanol part as I have made a point to avoid it and this is the major reason    for switching to 100LL.

    

   Bill W.

   Classic IV 



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Bill Willyard
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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: 100LL and TCP

Roger,



I have used the product John McBean sells on his Sportplane LLC website. 

The guys I see using it pours the appropriate amount in the tank before 

fueling.  I think the thinking is that the fuel flowing in the tank will 

give a sufficient mixing.



The stuff John sells is not flamable and is packaged in a squeeze container 

that has a measuring feature in it.  It works very nicely at the pump.



Lowell



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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: 100LL and TCP

Are the main bearings in the 912 roller bearings like the 582 or  slider bearings with babbitt??  I've been told the 100LL will do a number  on the main bearings of the little two stroke.  Like yourself I'd prefer to  use TCP to Ethanol.

  

  

 

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Kitfox III-A
Aerocet 1100 Floats

johnciolino(at)comcast.ne
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:29 am Post subject: 100LL and TCP

Roger,

  

 I have 600 hrs over 10 years on my Model IV-1200 with the Rotax 912UL.  I've run 100LL and TCP for 500 of those hours; mogas (without ethanol) prior to that. 

  

 I have never had any problems with this combination.  My exhaust is a light gray power and the plugs have a light gray deposits on them.  The plugs are pretty clean during the annual inspection however, I can find the NGK plugs locally for $1.59 each so I change mine every year and can't comment on the long term affects on the plugs.

  

 I also change my oil and filter every 25 hours and like someone else mentioned the oil is relatively clean. But with only 25 hrs on it that may be the case no matter what gas and/or additive I use.  I used Honda mineral based motorcycle oil (i.e. non-synthetic) but have recently switched to Penzoil motorcycle oil.

  

 Bottom line is that I have had no problems in 600 hours. I just jinxed myself.

  

 John Ciolino

 N9294Y

  

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From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon(at)msn.com> 

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 Hi List,

  

 Is anyone running 100LL and TCP in a 912UL? Any problems? How do you get the TCP to mix uniformly with the 100LL. Any problem mixing the 100LL / TCP and mogas that has ethanol? 

  

 I recently moved my IV-1200 to a County airport where they are very prejudiced against mogas and encourage using 100LL.

  

 Roger

 N499KF



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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:51 pm Post subject: 100LL and TCP

Do you use the 100LL straight  or with TCP?

  

  

 

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Kitfox III-A
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Bob

Joined: 24 Oct 2006
Posts: 89
Location: Damascus, Maryland, USA

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: 100LL and TCP

John, what a great reply. Straight and to the point on something incredibly relevant.

Thank you very much!

Bob

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taildragon(at)msn.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: 100LL and TCP

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 Steve, John, Mike, Dave, Lowell and all the others who responded,

  

 Thank you for your inputs. By far, the weight of the responses say go for  the 100LL and TCP with confidence so that is what I will do. This List is  great!

  

 Roger

 N499KF



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johnciolino(at)comcast.ne
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: 100LL and TCP

Noel,

  

 I mix TCP with 100LL according to recommended ratio. I use the big syringe Alcor sells which is marked in gallons.  I note the number of gals I add to each tank when I fill up and squirt the approrpiate amount of TCP in each tank. 

  

 John Ciolino

 N9294Y

  

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From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca> 

  Do you use the 100LL straight or with TCP?

  

  

 

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jdmcbean(at)cableone.net
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:43 am Post subject: 100LL and TCP

We also sell TCP that doesn’t need a syringe and is safe to carry in the cockpit.  $20 and treats up to 320 gallons.  

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Noel,  

   

I mix TCP with 100LL according to recommended ratio. I use the big syringe Alcor sells which is marked in gallons.  I note the number of gals I add to each tank when I fill up and squirt the approrpiate amount of TCP in each tank.   

   

John Ciolino  

N9294Y  

     

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 From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca>   

Do you use the 100LL straight or with TCP?  

   

   

Noel  

    

   

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 Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:59 PM

 To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com; kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: 100LL and TCP  

Roger,  

   

I have 600 hrs over 10 years on my Model IV-1200 with the Rotax 912UL.  I've run 100LL and TCP for 500 of those hours; mogas (without ethanol) prior to that.   

   

I have never had any problems with this combination.  My exhaust is a light gray power and the plugs have a light gray deposits on them.  The plugs are pretty clean during the annual inspection however, I can find the NGK plugs locally for $1.59 each so I change mine every year and can't comment on the long term affects on the plugs.  

   

I also change my oil and filter every 25 hours and like someone else mentioned the oil is relatively clean. But with only 25 hrs on it that may be the case no matter what gas and/or additive I use.  I used Honda mineral based motorcycle oil (i.e. non-synthetic) but have recently switched to Penzoil motorcycle oil.  

   

Bottom line is that I have had no problems in 600 hours. I just jinxed myself.  

   

John Ciolino  

N9294Y  

   

    

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 From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon(at)msn.com>   

   

Hi List,  

   

Is anyone running 100LL and TCP in a 912UL? Any problems? How do you get the TCP to mix uniformly with the 100LL. Any problem mixing the 100LL / TCP and mogas that has ethanol?   

   

I recently moved my IV-1200 to a County airport where they are very prejudiced against mogas and encourage using 100LL.  

   

Roger  

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