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n395v

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:26 am Post subject: Why is it such a bad thing

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		  Why is that such a bad thing?

	




Its a bad thing because you premise most of what you say based on a belief that.....



The eaa and FD are culpable

That trials do not go to juries unless there is "something there"



That juries are competent to make decisions that are correct.



This is pure crap.



The guy died because he flew an airplane and crashed.



The eaa and fd are out 10.5 million.



Our legal system is out of control and the prime beneficiaries are lawyers



The cost of everything goes up because of this crap and it is perpetuated by people who think it is OK.

Judges are also "elected" here in Mississippi. Unfortunately the law requires they be lawyers. Many old laws still on the books still keep a large part of our population from voting. Hardly representative I think.



In Mississippi as well as other states. Minorities fair worse in criminal cases for the same crimes.



Wealthy people and corporations fare worse than middle income and low income defendants.



Awards from one county to the next 5 are grossly different for similiar cases.



In some counties Drs always win malpractice suits in others they always lose.



So much for a juries abilities and talents.



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Bob Collins

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Why is it such a bad thing

 	  N395V wrote: 	
		  



Its a bad thing because you premise most of what you say based on a belief that.....



	




Absolutely no basis in fact. None. What I base my premise on is simply this: (a)  there is a difference between what we THINK we know as fact, and what is fact (b) it is always better to want to know as much as possible about something and to recognize when we don't. 

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That juries are competent to make decisions that are correct.



This is pure crap.

	




I don't live in Mississippi so I can't comment on the justice system there. But I think over the course of 200+ years,  people in this country who serve on juries have proven that it's a darned good system and that they are capable of making decisions that are correct.



Are there exceptions, of course. But arguing that a good old fashioned lynching by people who haven't taken the time -- and apparently don't WANT to- take the time to listen fairly to the evidence is a better system of justice is just, well, kinda whacky, imho.



I think people are always afraid of being wrong. And given how far out on a limb (lynching, get it? Thank you, I'm here all week, order the veal and tip your waitress!) you've all gotten with this one, considering all the facts might well cause us to reconsider what we think we know.



Me? I DON'T know but I sure as heck am interested in finding out more.



This is a lot like the nose gear debate, imho. Because we have a bunch of RV-a's flipping over...therefore it simply MUST be a bad design. We COULD spend our time and pool our resources and considerable talent actually analyzing the design. But we don't. We fold our arms, say "stupid Van's" and conclude that there's a problem because, well, there simply MUST be.



What we ought to do is just calm down and seek more information.  If you examine it and decide the jury is stupid, then that's certainly your right.



Reminds me of an old newsroom joke here.



One editor says to a reporter, "did you check your facts?" And the reporter says, "why? I ruin a lot of good stories that way."



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Incidentally, for those of us who use the Web site, the "do not archive" command is not intuitive. It probably should be built in to the interface.  I believe that everything on the Web form is archived.

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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:14 pm Post subject: Why is it such a bad thing

I have stayed out of the jury debate, but lets put this out there for

the jury system in America and its infatuation with who is right.

Remember O.J.? They found him not guilty, and in the next case for money

they found him guilty, two different Jury's deciding the outcome based

on the same information presented. Explain that one?

The system is broken and needs to be fixed. The end result is the guy

killed himself, and his family does not deserve anything regardless of

what happened, everything else is fodder.

Lets get back to building planes, because I can see how an engine debate

is directly relevant to airplane building but do not understand how jury

duty even relates, other than lost time from pounding rivets.

Dan

N289DT (RV10E)



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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Why is it such a bad thing

 	  LloydDR(at)wernerco.com wrote: 	
		   The end result is the guy

killed himself, and his family does not deserve anything regardless of

what happened, everything else is fodder. 	




You know, if it should happen tomorrow that we find out the last 1,000 main wing spars sent out by Van's were built improperly and with substandard material, there'll be at least 1,000 builders on this board who won't be posting, "whoops, my fault."  (g)

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Terry Watson

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject: Why is it such a bad thing

It relates because this one incident may cost us one of the best EAA flyins

in the country. You make a good point about a jury system, but you make your

point and then you want to end the discussion by saying, "because I can see

how an engine debate is directly relevant to airplane building but do not

understand how jury duty even relates, other than lost time from pounding

rivets.", maybe just use the delete key if you aren't interested in the

discussion. There is a tendency to think posts to this list are out of place

unless they relate directly to what one is doing at the moment. Check out

Matt's stated purpose for the list. It is NOT just about building. Someone

died in an RV crash and the repercussions may affect a great many of us. I

think it's a valid topic.



Terry

RV-8A finishing



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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: Why is it such a bad thing

Bob, I think the problem is that most of us don't think the EMS team  

should be held responsible for being slow, and certainly not to this  

amount, regardless of the details.  Even if the EAA shoved the  

emergency folks in some out of the way corner of the airport where  

they were guaranteed to be slow, I don't think that by itself should  

result in a liability suit.



I don't want to be held liable for expectations of service unless I  

specifically contracted to provide those services.  Did the EAA  

provide a written guarantee to provide this pilot a certain response  

time in the case of an accident?  Probably not.  So these implied  

expectations are bull hockey.



-J



On Jan 17, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Bob Collins wrote:



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 <bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.net>

 LloydDR(at)wernerco.com wrote:

>  The end result is the guy

> killed himself, and his family does not deserve anything  

> regardless of

> what happened, everything else is fodder.

 You know, if it should happen tomorrow that we find out the last  

 1,000 main wing spars sent out by Van's were built improperly and  

 with substandard material, there'll be at least 1,000 builders on  

 this board who won't be posting, "whoops, my fault."  (g)

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Bob Collins

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Why is it such a bad thing

 	  Terry Watson wrote: 	
		  It relates because this one incident may cost us one of the best EAA flyins

in the country. 	




Why not require everyone who flies in sign a waiver that absolves the EAA, the city, and its agents of all liability. That says specifically if you crash, you're on your own. We offer no emergency services. Period.



People would sign before they're allowed to fly in.



Also, maybe this will solve the other problem that people flying in seem to have --  the great unwashed being allowed on the flight line. Maybe EAA will see everyone as a potential lawsuit and limit access.



I'm guessing EAA will be just fine. It's a flippin' money machine with deep pockets and fat cat corporate benefactors.



For the record, btw, I'll be making doubly sure at OSH  at this year's RV BBQ that the food is safe to eat; not that anyone here would  hold it against me if they ate bad meat, mind you.  (g)

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Bob Collins

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Why is it such a bad thing

 	  jpl(at)showpage.org wrote: 	
		  Bob, I think the problem is that most of us don't think the EMS team  

should be held responsible for being slow, and certainly not to this  

amount, regardless of the details. 	




I understand that. I even share some of those concerns (except for the "regardless of the details" part. Those tend to matter to me). But, then again, I didn't have a loved one burn to death, either. 



Like I said, however, it depends on whether the guy could have survived his injuries. I haven't seen the autopsy report. I presume the jury did.



If the guy could have lived but died because the agency responsible for emergency response was unreasonably slow (again, I'm not saying they were. I'm not saying they weren't), then that would seem to me there's something to deliberate over.



As for you not thinking the EMS should be held liable, I fully appreciate that stance which, I assume, is formed via some deliberation in your own mind. But I  actually DO respect the jury process becuase juries are made up of people like you and me and everyone else we know and while it's fun to say "juries are stupid,"  I don't think you're stupid, and I don't think I'm stupid.



I don't know, by the way, if you've ever sat in a courtroom as a judge instructs a jury but it's an excrutiatingly long process and very intricate with specifics about what can and what can't be considered.



I don't know what the judge's instructions were in this case but, again, I DO know that there's more to this story than what ANN , in its less-than-objective fashion, decided to write. And, of course, they weren't there either.



As someone said earlier, just as we demand that people hold off judging what happened in any plane crash until the facts are known, so too is it an appropriate instruction here.

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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: Why is it such a bad thing

And that is the general problem with society today.  Everyone expects

something for nothing and if they don't get it they sue anyone they can

find.  It's really a sad state of affairs when we have to have laws put

in place to protect good Samaritans so people wouldn't just pass up

someone in trouble because they are afraid of getting sued.



Same thing goes with jury's that award millions of dollars for acts of

Darwinism just because they don't want to close the door on the chance

they may get a windfall down the road.  Remember the McDonalds coffee

incident or one of hundreds similar.



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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: Why is it such a bad thing

[quote="rvbuilder(at)sausen.net" Everyone expects

something for nothing and if they don't get it they sue anyone they can

find. [/quote]



OK, not to quibble, but I will. I think what bothers me is an otherwise intelligent group of people, smart enough to fly, and smart enough to build airplanes.... aren't at all interested in learning more about what exactly this case was about.



Instead we've decided that (1) juries are stupid (2) the family of a dead pilot should be hanged (3) everyone wants something for nothing.



That's an awful lots of generalization (and not to quibble but if that last one is true, that includes the person who said it.).



I'm trying to turn this whole thing on its ear because -- being in the news media -- I read the same sort of  generalizations  here and on VAF whenever there's a story in the mainstream media about a plane crash or about an aviation event.



Onlyt hen it goes like this:



(1) Reporters are stupid (2)  Reporters don't check their facts before deciding what the story is (3) Reporters should wait until they know the facts before speculating on what happened.



So that's why I'm pretty awestruck by this thread which leads me to wonder..... which way do you want it?  'Cuz I recognize a lot of the same names that said a few months ago "The media is stupid because it doesn't check facts before spewing" now saying "we don't care about the facts or details."



This is an interesting and newsworthy case precisely because the jury verdict is unusual.  Not because it happens all the time.



Isn't there anyone out there who wants to learn more?  Or at least take the same advice some of you have given to the media about wild speculation and uninformed generalizations?

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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: Why is it such a bad thing

Product liability is a whole different ball of wax. And as the builder

we are responsible for the airworthiness of our kits, so even if Vans

did send out bad spars, we would be responsible, the only thing that

could change that is if it was the wrong temper of metal, or a bad batch

of metal from Alcoa, then we would have a leg to stand on, but if they

were built improperly, we are the builders and accept the responsibility

for the parts we had manufactured on our behalf..right? "GRIN"

I too agree there is an argument to everything, but my point is where

does personal responsibility end and begin. The pilot in question was

there by his own choice, he was not told or made to attend, nor was he

working the show, flying is in of itself a hazardous recreational

activity, and certain responsibilities are assumed. If we as a society

want to keep persuing risky activities and not have them regulated out

of existence we must start to accept that responsibility for our

actions. If a person is skiing and runs into a tree, and dies from the

cold before the ski patrol arrives, the ski resort is not responsible,

read the back of the lift ticket, skiing is an inherently dangerous

sport...yadda, yadda, yadda. Just like flying, if you take off with the

seatbelt wrapped around the passenger stick, you as a pilot can already

know what will happen. Lets face it, he was in a hurry to leave, low

time pilot, in a new plane, and was dis-oriented on the airport, got in

a bigger hurry because people were watching him back taxi, and made the

mistake during take off.

Yes, we are all arm chair quarterbacking, but end result was it was the

pilot error that caused the accident, regardless of what happened, none

of it would have taken place if the pilot broke the chain of events

before the crash, that is the personal responsibility that is at stake

here. The pilot chose to take part in a risky endeavor, and paid the

ultimate price, nobody else caused that crash, he did. The family/lawyer

has sour grapes for whatever reason, but it was not product liability

that caused the accident.   



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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: Why is it such a bad thing

Bob, I for one would like to know more.  However that said, I have a hard

time believing that any of it will sway me to believe someone else is

responsible for his accident.  Even if the emergencies services didn't show

up at all.  Had they caused the crash and then didn't respond accordingly to

attempt to make their wrong right it would be different.  But... They

didn't.  Instead they showed up and made every attempt short of getting

someone else hurt to do what they are trained to do.  Nobody at the scene

wanted this man to crash and nobody wanted him to die.  I witnessed it and I

didn't want this to happen.  I wasn't able to run over there and save him,

should I be responsible somehow also?  So yes the facts are certainly

important, but for me it will be interesting to see what could possibly

cause me to change my mind and say somebody should pay out millions of

dollars for some part of what happened because of his unfortunate mistake.



By the way I sat on a jury for a pretty high profile case.  I was terribly

disillusioned and swore I would never do it again.  Quite frankly there were

some on the jury who thought the nice man couldn't have possibly done that.

It isn't a perfect system, and often it really sucks.



By the way, however mentioned the OJ case as an example.  The civil system

works quite differently than the criminal system.  With criminals given so

many rights it is much harder to convict.  Preponderance of the evidence vs.

no doubt or something like that.  Not a good example to compare, but a good

example of why our system is really broke.  Any body can sue anybody and the

judge won't through out a bad case no matter how much it costs you to fight

it.  It sucks!



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LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: Why is it such a bad thing

You are exactly correct Terry someone died in a plane crash 7 years ago

and we hashed it out then, and then again 3 years ago when it was first

decided, and we are now spending more time arm chair quarterbacking a

bad piloting decision.

There is no way a reasonable person could see it any way other than

that, in my opinion, it is the jury looking at a large corporation and

deciding to stick it to them. The pilot made the error, he was there by

choice, no one forced him there, paid him to be there, or implied that

there would be services available if he caused an accident. How is this

situation any different than if you fly into any small airport and

crash? Does your surviving family members have a right to sue the local

fire department because they were not on scene quickly enough? No, the

lawyer sees a large cash cow (the EAA) and decided to talk the family

into going after it. This is the exact reason a $10k airplane now costs

$200k, product liability, and who has the deepest pockets.

Dan 



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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: Why is it such a bad thing

Bob 

I do not think the issue is about not wanting the details, because based

on the facts we do have we are making the decision that it should never

have gone farther than he crashed and it is over. Instead, we all feel

that the lawyer talked the family into proceeding. I do not think most

people automatically blame someone else, especially in a case like this.

They know he was the one to do it, rather I feel it is the family

grasping at straws to make it okay in their mind, that the pilot would

not be that dumb to kill himself and it could not possibly be his fault.

But the lawyer is playing on those fears of wrongness and talked the

family into going after whoever had the money, we all know the lawyers

follow the deep pockets, and in this case, 3.5 million in commission

plus expenses looks pretty good and I too would try to talk someone into

going for it.

Just my .02 

Dan   



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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: Why is it such a bad thing

//I do not think the issue is about not wanting the details, because based

on the facts we do have we are making the decision that it should never have

gone farther than he crashed and it is over.



But that's the problem. If the guy had just had the good sense to die on

impact, it would have been over. But he didn't.



And no, we don't have any fact. We weren't at the court case and it's

obvious, by the way, that not a single news reporter was a the court either.

So we don't know, really, anything. All we know is we don't like the result

of a court case we know nothing about.



// Instead, we all feel that the lawyer talked the family into proceeding.



And that's fine. But that doesn't mean the lawyer did. That's my point. What

we THINK happen, doesn't mean that's what happened.

//They know he was the one to do it, rather I feel it is the family grasping

at straws to make it okay in their mind, that the pilot would not be that

dumb to kill himself and it could not possibly be his fault.



Whether the crash was his fault was NOT at issue in this case.



//But the lawyer is playing on those fears of wrongness and talked the

family into going after whoever had the money



And we don't know that either. We suspect this to be the case, but it

doesn't mean it is. 



What we have here, frankly, is a lynch mob mentality. That doesn't mean

there isn't good reason for it, and I completely understand the emotional

reacton to that. What I DON'T understand is the lack of interest in even

considering that what we THINK is the story, might not be THE story.



Like I said before, what I've seen  on this list in the last two days, is

the same thing a lot of you accuse the media of doing in the aftermath of a

big story that has not yet completely developed.



It's a lynch mob mentality. The guy who started this thread even said the

family should be lynched. The guy didn't even know that the court case

wasn't about what caused a plane to crash. Was it too hard to even check to

see what the jury was asked to decide?



We should be better than this.  We should be smarter than this.  We should

demand more of ourselves.



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jpl(at)showpage.org
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject: Why is it such a bad thing

Actually, the McDonald's coffee incident was a valid case.  Here's  

the wikipedia entry on the case:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald's_coffee_case



The portions of this I consider significant are that:



-Stella Liebeck sought to settle with McDonald's for her medical  

costs only ($20,000).  McDonalds refused and offered $800.



-The coffee was SO incredibly hot that Liebeck suffered third degree  

burns over 6% of her body, scalding her buttocks and groin.  She  

required skin grafting and 2 years of treatment.



-McDonald's coffee was being served as hot as 190 degrees (and  

possibly slightly hotter).  This temperature is far more than  

required to make a drinkable cup of coffee.  In fact, the company  

acknowledges the coffee is not drinkable as served and requires cooling.



-McDonalds KNEW they were creating a dangerous situation, as they'd  

had previous burn cases.  Common sense indicates that anyone with a  

cup of coffee in a styrofoam container in their car will periodically  

spill the coffee.  The manufacturer of the coffee thus should take  

adequate steps to reduce the dangers.  McDonald's refused to do so.



The disputed opinion is that coffee should be brewed hot but served  

at something resembling a drinkable temperature.  I'm not much of a  

coffee drinker, but I once got a cup from a fast food restaurant that  

when I took a sip 5 minutes later, I thought I had scaled the back of  

my throat.  My wife looked at me in alarm as I turned bright red and  

started to gasp.



Coffee served that hot is dangerous.  Handing it to someone in a car  

in an inadequate container is even more dangerous.  You may not agree  

with the verdict, but if you look at the entire case, you can  

understand that it wasn't completely frivolous.



-Joe



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On Jan 17, 2007, at 6:04 PM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:



[quote] 

 <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>



 And that is the general problem with society today.  Everyone expects

 something for nothing and if they don't get it they sue anyone they  

 can

 find.  It's really a sad state of affairs when we have to have laws  

 put

 in place to protect good Samaritans so people wouldn't just pass up

 someone in trouble because they are afraid of getting sued.



 Same thing goes with jury's that award millions of dollars for acts of

 Darwinism just because they don't want to close the door on the chance

 they may get a windfall down the road.  Remember the McDonalds coffee

 incident or one of hundreds similar.



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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: Why is it such a bad thing

//The pilot made the error, he was there by choice, no one forced him there,

paid him to be there, or implied that there would be services available if

he caused an accident. How is this situation any different than if you fly

into any small airport and crash? 



Simple. Because the EAA admitted it had responsibility to provide emergency

services when it contracted for emergency services.



//This is the exact reason a $10k airplane now costs $200k, product

liability, and who has the deepest pockets.



Well that's an interesting view considering that Van's offers absolutely no

guarantees when it sells  metal parts to you that you make into an airplane,

and those parts cost you $17,000 without avionics or an engine.



But let me know if you can build me a plane for $10,000 and I'll gladly sign

anything that waives all liability.



And maybe I'll fill it up with some of that 29-cent-a-gallon gas while I'm

at it. (g)



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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: Why is it such a bad thing

//Bob, I for one would like to know more.  However that said, I have a hard

time believing that any of it will sway me to believe someone else is

responsible for his accident. 



Would you at least concede that the issue here is NOT what caused the

accident?



// Even if the emergencies services didn't show up at all.  Had they caused

the crash and then didn't respond accordingly to attempt to make their wrong

right it would be different.  But... They didn't.  Instead they showed up

and made every attempt 



That very well may be true but since nobody -- so far -- has been able to

identify one witness, one piece of testimony,one judge's instruction or one

element of the case, we can't very well say that.



Look, I'll tell you what. I'll bankroll the cost of picking up the court

records. I know there's a lot of Rvers on the list who live in this area.

Wouldn't someone be willing to go to the courthouse, pick up the documents,

FEDEX 'em to me and I'll make them all available somehow online for proper

discussion. If it shows  this widow is just some money grubbing woman who

should be lynched, so be it. If it shows something else, that's fine. But at

least it'll be an informed opinion  and informed deliberation.



Anyone?



Please?



Bob

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: Why is it such a bad thing

Actually, I wasn't commenting about the trial or the rest of the

thread.  I do believe I was pretty specific in my first line on what I

was commenting on.  I didn't read anything about the settlement so I

can't comment on that.  As a journalist I would think the facts of my

statement are clear to you.  



Oh ya, and seeing how this disappeared or was forgotten.... do not

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: Why is it such a bad thing

//nobody else caused that crash, he did. The family/lawyer has sour grapes

for whatever reason, but it was not product liability

that caused the accident.   



Again, product liability isn't the issue. The cause of the crash isn't the

issue.



What contributed to the man's death is an issue. Did he? Hell yes. Of course

he did. He flew a plane into the ground.



Is there a responsibility on anyone's part once that plane hit the ground?



If your son or daughter is involved in a car crash tonight. Is there a

responsibility  once the first responders get there. Is there a reasonable

standard of care they should have? 



When he or she gets to the hospital, is there a standard of care that can be

expected. Or is it OK, if a doctor could save his/her life through some

means, but chooses instead to finish watching the last segment of American

idol before they try to restart her heart.



Silly? Of course the scenario is. But OF COURSE the doctors have a

responsibility. Of COURSE the first responders have a responsibility. That

responsibility is not rendered moot by the fact your so or daughter chose to

go drive a car that night.



The EAA recognized it had a responsibility to provide emergency services at

the airshow.  Why? Because it did. Whether that was provided in a proper

manner we can't know. 



But to suggest that because the pilot crashed in the first place, that

respnsibility doesn't matter, is as silly as saying at your local E.R.

tonight, the medical standards don't matter either, because everyone there

had a personal responsibility not to end up there. 



You want to string up a lawyer. Here's what I suggest. String up whoever

represented the EAA.



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