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Per.Lind(at)atil.no
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: Handheld GPS?

Hi all of you  

I live in the North of Norway and I’m building a CH601UL, a 49% kit from Czeck Aircraft with a Rotax 912ULS. I have traditional, analogue instruments, Garmin SL40 transceiver, and Garmin GTX127 transponder. My plan is to lift her in the air in May and just now I need an advice what type of GPS it is best to buy. I can see that the Lowrance Airmap 2000C  is much cheaper than Garmin 296 and AvMap IV, but now I need an advice.  

   

Best regards  

   

Per Lind  

Norway  

   

   

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alex_001

Joined: 14 Jan 2007
Posts: 61

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:53 am Post subject: Re: Handheld GPS?

Hello,

I us a garmin 295 and we have here in Germany a very nice guy who modifiys the map and includes all reporting points, microlight and sailplane airstrips also all the circus for the airfield for only about 50 euro. he can do this on all garmins runs absolut trouble free. see in the attachment my 601 with the 295 installed. you can get nice 2nd hand 295 for about 600 euro so thats good value for money.

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larry(at)macsmachine.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: Handheld GPS?

Lind,

I'm flying a 601HDS and use a Lowrance Airmap 500 in the mid west US 

where it's essentially plains country. I'd recommend

the Lowrance 600 over the 2000 because of its size. Much better fit to 

the cockpit area. I mounted mine on the stick so it sets

between and above the grips. For your area, the 600 color indicated 

ground elevation warning would be a plus. See link,

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/airmap500mt2.gif

Good luck,

Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com



Lind, Per wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Hi all of you



 I live in the North of Norway and I’m building a CH601UL, a 49% kit 

 from Czeck Aircraft with a Rotax 912ULS. I have traditional, analogue 

 instruments, Garmin SL40 transceiver, and Garmin GTX127 transponder. 

 My plan is to lift her in the air in May and just now I need an advice 

 what type of GPS it is best to buy. I can see that the Lowrance Airmap 

 2000C is much cheaper than Garmin 296 and AvMap IV, but now I need an 

 advice.



 Best regards



 Per Lind



 Norway



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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:41 am Post subject: Handheld GPS?

I have absolutely no experience flying anywhere in Europe so I have no clue as to whether a regional radar summary , traffic avoidance systems, localizer displays etc are available to you. Those are the features that distinguish a Garmin GPS from the Lowrance Airmap 2000C. The Garmin would certainly interface more easily with the Garmin equipment you already have but again, I have no idea if that is important to you or not.



What I can tell you is this, If you simply want a large bright color screen display of GPS moving map and course data with an easily accessed airport database, the Lowrance is a much better deal. I have been told it can be linked to a wing leveler or autopliot to steer the course for you enroute on a X-C but I have not actually seen that or done that. In the USA the Jeppeson database for Lowrance includes terrain elevation data which can be clearly displayed on the the lower segment of a split screen.



Hope that helps,



Ed Moody II

Rayne, LA

601XL/Jabiru/top skins



---- "Lind wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi all of you

 

 I live in the North of Norway and I'm building a CH601UL, a 49% kit from

 Czeck Aircraft with a Rotax 912ULS. I have traditional, analogue

 instruments, Garmin SL40 transceiver, and Garmin GTX127 transponder. My

 plan is to lift her in the air in May and just now I need an advice what

 type of GPS it is best to buy. I can see that the Lowrance Airmap 2000C

 is much cheaper than Garmin 296 and AvMap IV, but now I need an advice.

 

  

 

 Best regards

 

  

 

 Per Lind

 

 Norway

alex_001

Joined: 14 Jan 2007
Posts: 61

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Handheld GPS?

What I can tell you is this, If you simply want a large bright color screen display of GPS moving map and course data with an easily accessed airport database, the Lowrance is a much better deal. I have been told it can be linked to a wing leveler or autopliot to steer the course for you enroute on a X-C but I have not actually seen that or done that. In the USA the Jeppeson database for Lowrance includes terrain elevation data which can be clearly displayed on the the lower segment of a split screen.



the garmin 296 or abouve 396/496 will do the same.

for my next xl coming in may i have the 295 linked to the true trak AP so it can steer to the route on GPS but this could be also done with a lowrance.

surtenly if you buy a 600c in the US is is very good value for money

i just find the shape size a bit difficult to fit to the panel.

i just wanted to point out in my earlier mail that there is a possibility to modify the garmin hand held gps here in  europe to include some more infos such as airfield circus, obsticals such as windmills (we have far to many of these here) compulsery reporting points etc.

dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: Handheld GPS?

The objection to the size and shape of the Lowrance 2000C has come up a few times in discussion. Its size and shape are why it is easier to read... it has a larger screen. It does not have to fit in the panel, in fact I don't plan to put mine in the panel. I hope the aircraft outlives the GPS unit so putting it into the panel invites a problem if and when I change later on. One of the benefits of a handheld unit like the 2000C is that it switches easily to land mode or marine mode making it very useful in the car or boat. I plan to mount mine on a RAM mouint system on the center console of the 601XL (dual sticks) in the area between the armrest and the panel. It will come out and come home with me between flights just as it does currently in my ultra-not-so-light. For me, bigger is better....... or at least easier to read. 



Ed



---- alex_001 <alex(at)midland-f3.com> wrote: 

 

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		   the garmin 296 or abouve 396/496 will do the same.

 for my next xl coming in may i have the 295 linked to the true trak AP so it can steer to the route on GPS but this could be also done with a lowrance.

 surtenly if you buy a 600c in the US is is very good value for money

 i just find the shape size a bit difficult to fit to the panel.

 i just wanted to point out in my earlier mail that there is a possibility to modify the garmin hand held gps here in  europe to include some more infos such as airfield circus, obsticals such as windmills (we have far to many of these here) compulsery reporting points etc.

Michael Valentine

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 108

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: Handheld GPS?

Big screen is always better, but the GPS is a computer.  You just better hope it outlives your first wash and wax!



Michael in NH

- has almost beat the second wing tip into submission



 On 1/23/07, dredmoody(at)cox.net (dredmoody(at)cox.net) <dredmoody(at)cox.net (dredmoody(at)cox.net)> wrote:

[quote] 

 I hope the aircraft outlives the GPS unit ...

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: Handheld GPS?

I have my Lowrance slaved to my Dynon, and it works great!  Big bold picture and easy to use, very intuative.



Juan



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btucke73(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: Handheld GPS?

I mounted the Lowrance Airmap 1000 on my panel.  See

link below:



http://mcgirt.net/~ars2006/ars2006/Desktop-Pages/Image0.html



There are a whole lot more functions to the unit that

I never use, and am too lazy / busy to read the

manual.  The menu functions are fairly intuitive,

making it easy to use straight out of the box.  I have

dropped mine a couple of times, and it hasn't missed a

beat.  I would get a used one off of ebay.  There are

usually several for sale at any given time.  



http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=lowrance+airmap



VR/



Brandon

601 HDS / TD / Corvair

55 hours

 

Don't pick lemons.

See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.

http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html

ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject: Handheld GPS?

Hello Lind,



My personal experience, as out of USA GPS user...

 

 I have a Garmin 295 (Dad's gift 2 years ago), 

 We try to use Garmin here, because most of the pilots (99%) here has that brand, that simple.  the other users are on their own, if you undertand that,  

Given  this, there is always an "expert" around that will help us updating and "charge" the way points and airports...   

Yes, outside USA  the database is very limited,  we need to put most everythng in, also most of the cities have diferent names (?).  

Forget about the modern ones with "weather" this  bonus is only available in USA.  

BUT  on the other side of the coin,  the mountain avoidance ones ("red mountain with a cross")... sure does work perfectly, at least here in Mexico,  Saved a local pilot life in a sudden weather change (fog) two weeks ago.  

He was realy lucky and cold  blooded,  not to spin or crash...  Yes, plain old  over confidence but  made it.  Was flying an RV 6 with his kid,  has double more gray hair and experience now... 



Another hint,,,,  Search around local pilots, some rich ones, change sooner or later to the newer  GPS,  buy them the second hand one,  sometimes like new.

but will lots of waypoints already in. 

Here we store all the waypoints in a Excel page.  A local pilot colects the data we all send him and keeps us updated.



Hope this helps.



Saludos

Gary Gower



LarryMcFarland <larry(at)macsmachine.com> wrote:[quote] --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland 



Lind,

I'm flying a 601HDS and use a Lowrance  Airmap 500 in the mid west US 

where it's essentially plains country. I'd recommend

the Lowrance 600 over the 2000 because of its size. Much better fit to 

the cockpit area. I mounted mine on the stick so it sets

between and above the grips. For your area, the 600 color indicated 

ground elevation warning would be a plus. See link,

http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/airmap500mt2.gif

Good luck,

Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com



Lind, Per wrote:

[quote]

 Hi all of you



 I live in the North of Norway and I’m building a CH601UL, a 49% kit 

 from Czeck Aircraft with a Rotax 912ULS. I have traditional, analogue 

 instruments, Garmin SL40 transceiver, and Garmin GTX127 transponder. 

 My plan is to lift her in the air in May and just now I need an advice 

 what type of GPS it is best to buy. I can see that the Lowrance Airmap 

 2000C is much cheaper than Garmin 296  TV dinner still cooling?

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Peter Barthold

Joined: 24 Apr 2006
Posts: 25
Location: Germany

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Handheld GPS?

Hello Lind,

Aviation handhelds are the better choice when it comes to ruggedness and reliability. I would nevertheless recommend to check out pocketfms for PDA/GPS combos. It is a powerful moving map navigation solution with a VERY dedicated commmunty. A number of volunteers maintain the data of every country. Norways airspace structure is fully covered and maintained AFAIK.

The software and moving map data is for free (!) Donors of more than 50 Euros/60 $ get  conveniant zip files and additional weather data . 



Check out www.pocketfms.com



to alex: Schickes Cockpit, D-M... oder D-E...?



Cheers

Peter 

601HDS TD VW conversion

Tail complete, wings in progress

www.petersprojekt42.de

n963wb(at)frontiernet.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: Handheld GPS?

Greetings all.

  

 Per Lind and others about to purchase a GPS.   One of the first places to start is www.sportys.com and click on the GPS  comparison chart.  Specifications and features for a good variety of the  GPS units that are on the market today are listed along with prices.  The  unit that is no longer on the list is the GPS that I ended up buying and that is  the AvMap Geo Pilot (Sportys item # 1932A).  I realize that it does not  have many of the features that the high end units have, like weather display and  such, but for the money ($795) it has one of the largest displays available and  I found it very easy to operate.  I only have about 20 hours in the air  with it but so far have been very pleased with performance.  

  

 Hope this helps

  

 Dick Neitzel

 Sayner, WI

 701 Jab 2200

 N962WB

 N963WB(at)frontiernet.net (N963WB(at)frontiernet.net) 

  

  

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