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cloudvalley(at)comcast.ne
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:27 am Post subject: construction dilemmas

Hello builders,

 Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane? I know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl...wondering how much a Barett engine would cost with just the cold air induction system added..and finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this. It almost seems like one needs apriori knowlege..but at least we will break the project down into small parts..to be completed individually. 

 A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our Grumman Tiger we sold 4 year ago.

 Brian and Ruth Preston

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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: construction dilemmas

Extras can get you in trouble in a hurry and I can relate to the uncertainty on if you can build this monster.  I never really questioned on if I had the skills, more if I had the patience to hammer all these rivets.  When I learned that Van came out with a model that fit my mission profile better than anything else out there, you do have a mission profile you are making your decisions right, my next concern was if I would go nuts like John J banging away on rivet after rivet.  Believe me I never had a remote urge to build an aluminum aircraft, I was a fast glass man.  So I flew to Denver, took a Sportair RV Assembly class, and did a little skiing.  I ordered my tail kit the next week and never looked back.  

   

  You already have the tail kit so you made the tough choice.  Every first timer can see the difference in their skills as they work through the chapters of the tail kit.  My suggestion is to talk to vendors like Barrett, Stein, and others.  They are extremely knowledgeable and will not point you in the wrong direction to make a buck.   If you are uncomfortable with your skills talk to other builders in your area, I doubt any one of us would turn down a visit or free help.  I can’t recommend the Sportair workshops enough.  If nothing else they give you practice on something other than your kit.  And most importantly, do not be afraid to ask a question.  I’ve asked a few that I slapped myself on the forehead over after people responded.  As the old saying goes, there are no dumb questions, just dumb people.  Wait, that doesn’t sound right.  J  

   

Now back to work!  

   

Michael Sausen  

-10 #352 Limbo  

   

       

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cloudvalley(at)comcast.net

 Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:27 AM

 To: martrionics

 Subject: construction dilemmas  

  

  

     

Hello builders,  

    

Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane? I know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl...wondering how much a Barett engine would cost with just the cold air induction system added..and finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this. It almost seems like one needs apriori knowlege..but at least we will break the project down into small parts..to be completed individually.   

    

A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our Grumman Tiger we sold 4 year ago.  

    

Brian and Ruth Preston  

    

#40666  

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Vern(at)teclabsinc.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:19 am Post subject: construction dilemmas

Hi Brian,  

   

All airplanes are a collection of compromises. Yes even the 10 (this can be seen by some of the recent more lively discussions.)   Figure out what your “mission” is for the airplane and build accordingly. If something isn’t important to you don’t spend the money on it. Beware of the “for only a few dollars more game”. You’ve seen this it’s the guy who wants to buy a Cessna but for only a few dollars more he could get a Tiger, but for only a few dollars more he could get a Mooney and then an old Bonanza. He buys the Bonanza instead of the Cessna. And then says “crud” why can’t I afford this thing? Go back to the original mission statement!  

   

As far as knowledge it will come. This is a great list too ask questions. There are several builders course to gain hands on experience. Your local EAA chapter is a good place to look. Most likely it has several RV builders and even if they aren’t building 10s riveting is riveting.   

   

Great idea on building one project at a time. As the old saying goes: How do you eat an elephant? One bit at a time!  

   

Vern Smith (#324 fuselage)  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cloudvalley(at)comcast.net

 Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:27 AM

 To: martrionics

 Subject: construction dilemmas  

  

     

Hello builders,  

    

Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane? I know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl...wondering how much a Barett engine would cost with just the cold air induction system added..and finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this. It almost seems like one needs apriori knowlege..but at least we will break the project down into small parts..to be completed individually.   

    

A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our Grumman Tiger we sold 4 year ago.  

    

Brian and Ruth Preston  

    

#40666  

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rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: construction dilemmas

My suggestion:

 Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane?   

     figure 7K to start for tools, kits setup, etc than take  as long as you need to build up for the next stage do the same at each stage  until you hit that last stage than go 10X for that.

  

 I know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl

     Take your time reviewing  options, there are many companies out there ready to take 45K for a neat engine.  I know by the time I'm ready one of those companies will have a FADEC type  system for the IO540. I want it and it may be worth the extra, but I have time  before needing to worry about this.

  

 and finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this

     Sweet! Your wife will work with you to build this? Now  that is great! and Yes you will be able to. If you do want to seriously find out  if your compatible in the workspace- take a Sportair or Alexander or other class  together. That weekend will do a few things for you two 1) Prove you CAN do it  2) Prove that you work great/awful together. 

  

 but at least we will break the project down into small parts..to be  completed individually. 

      For now plan the budget in  2007 dollars (expect 3-4% increase each year of building) Tools, workspace prep,  kit, engine estimate, avionics, etc.. Than focus on Stage 1 only. I have  important feedback for each stage from this forum but I worry not about the  Panel layout, the Supercharger- twin turbo ice air induction with a holy moly  cow what it that under the hood engine. It simply would be way too overwhelming  to do otherwise.

     Small parts- focus on what is  ahead of you right now- tools, workspace, taking a class, ordering Empennage.  Than build and learn that phase only.

  

 You can do this. One rivet at a time!

  

 Pascal

  

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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: construction dilemmas

A while back the wife & I had come to the point that she needed a new  car (200,000 miles on the '96 Grand Cherokee) & I wanted a Sports Car  (again). We looked at all the Lexus, BMW, M-B, and small engined sedans. I  looked at used Sports Cars, not sporty cars....... Sports Cars. Drove the Viper,  BMW, Porsche, and the other four cylinder cars. We looked at the most bang for  the buck, good mileage, resale & STYLE. Bought a new 300C with 5.7 Hemi  for her & a 14 year old stickshift 300HP Corvette for me. WHY ? ?   because they fit OUR mission. Did not want to limp up the pass coming out  of Baker & "smacking my forehead with the flat of my palm and crying:   I COULDA HAD A V8". My next "mission vehicle" an RV-12, if I need a  "flight fix" there's always the HRII Rocket in the hanger.  KABONG  Do  Not Archive 

 Current mission: Getting Tom's '67 Charger up & running again.

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cloudvalley(at)comcast.ne
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: construction dilemmas

Hi,

  yes my wife wants to do the building project also. In my case, I am lucky. It is she who is the pilot. She flew across the US 8 times in her Grumman Tiger (with her ex). We got the airplane but were too busy at that time to use it much. So we sold it. Now I want to finish my lessons in the RV10. She is instrument-rated so I will have a wonderful flying companion as well as a building companion. 

 Brian and Ruth

  

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From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net> 

    My suggestion:

 Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane?  

     figure 7K to start for tools, kits setup, etc than take as long as you need to build up for the next stage do the same at each stage until you hit that last stage than go 10X for that.

  

 I know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl

     Take your time reviewing options, there are many companies out there ready to take 45K for a neat engine. I know by the time I'm ready one of those companies will have a FADEC type system for the IO540. I want it and it may be worth the extra, but I have time before needing to worry about this.

  

 and finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this

     Sweet! Your wife will work with you to build this? Now that is great! and Yes you will be able to. If you do want to seriously find out if your compatible in the workspace- take a Sportair or Alexander or other class together. That weekend will do a few things for you two 1) Prove you CAN do it 2) Prove that you work great/awful together. 

  

 but at least we will break the project down into small parts..to be completed individually. 

      For now plan the budget in 2007 dollars (expect 3-4% increase each year of building) Tools, workspace prep, kit, engine estimate, avionics, etc.. Than focus on Stage 1 only. I have important feedback for each stage from this forum but I worry not about the Panel layout, the Supercharger- twin turbo ice air induction with a holy moly cow what it that under the hood engine. It simply would be way too overwhelming to do otherwise.

     Small parts- focus on what is ahead of you right now- tools, workspace, taking a class, ordering Empennage. Than build and learn that phase only.

  

 You can do this. One rivet at a time!

  

 Pascal

  

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cloudvalley(at)comcast.ne
Guest

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: construction dilemmas

Hello Vern,

 Thank you for the encouragement. We took a class and built the empennage allready anyway. I guess one really needs to assess thier mission about why they want a plane like this. We want to fly all over the country, so I think this plane would be a good choice! .I will be a regular in matrionics..we are trying to get finances ready for the rest of the kit now. Hope to get going again soon on it. Thanks again, and for all the nice comments made by others.

 Brian and Ruth

 #40666

  

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From: "Vern W. Smith" <Vern(at)teclabsinc.com> 

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Hi Brian,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> 

  

All airplanes are a collection of compromises. Yes even the 10 (this can be seen by some of the recent more lively discussions.)   Figure out what your “mission” is for the airplane and build accordingly. If something isn’t important to you don’t spend the money on it. Beware of the “for only a few dollars more game”. You’ve seen this it’s the guy who wants to buy a Cessna but for only a few dollars more he could get a Tiger, but for only a few dollars more he could get a Mooney and then an old Bonanza. He buys the Bonanza instead of the Cessna. And then says “crud” why can’t I afford this thing? Go back to the original mission statement! 

  

As far as knowledge it will come. This is a great list too ask questions. There are several builders course to gain hands on experience. Your local EAA chapter is a good place to look. Most likely it has several RV builders and even if they aren’t building 10s riveting is riveting.  

  

Great idea on building one project at a time. As the old saying goes: How do you eat an elephant? One bit at a time! 

  

Vern Smith (#324 fuselage) 

     

 

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cloudvalley(at)comcast.net

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:27 AM

To: martrionics

Subject: construction dilemmas

 

   

Hello builders,

  

Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane? I know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl...wondering how much a Barett engine would cost with just the cold air induction system added..and finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this. It almost seems like one needs apriori knowlege..but at least we will break the project down into small parts..to be completed individually. 

  

A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our Grumman Tiger we sold 4 year ago.

  

Brian and Ruth Preston

  

#40666

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cloudvalley(at)comcast.ne
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: construction dilemmas

Hello Mike!

  Thank you for your encouragement also! It turns out we spent some money and went to a class..finished the empennage and learned some valuable skills. I also called Barretts and they sound really great if we ca ncome up with the extra for a cold air induction system..it seems like the best way to go. Thanks for your input. No w we are gettig our finances together for the rest of the kit..thanks again.

 Brian and Ruth Preston

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From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> 

       

  Extras can get you in trouble in a hurry and I can relate to the uncertainty on if you can build this monster.  I never really questioned on if I had the skills, more if I had the patience to hammer all these rivets.  When I learned that Van came out with a model that fit my mission profile better than anything else out there, you do have a mission profile you are making your decisions right, my next concern was if I would go nuts like John J banging away on rivet after rivet.  Believe me I never had a remote urge to build an aluminum aircraft, I was a fast glass man.  So I flew to Denver, took a Sportair RV Assembly class, and did a little skiing.  I ordered my tail kit the next week and never looked back.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> 

  

  You already have the tail kit so you made the tough choice.  Every first timer can see the difference in their skills as they work through the chapters of the tail kit.  My suggestion is to talk to vendors like Barrett, Stein, and others.  They are extremely knowledgeable and will not point you in the wrong direction to make a buck.   If you are uncomfortable with your skills talk to other builders in your area, I doubt any one of us would turn down a visit or free help.  I can’t recommend the Sportair workshops enough.  If nothing else they give you practice on something other than your kit.  And most importantly, do not be afraid to ask a question.  I’ve asked a few that I slapped myself on the forehead over after people responded.  As the old saying goes, there are no dumb questions, just dumb people.  Wait, tha  t does n’t sound right.  J 

  

Now back to work! 

  

Michael Sausen 

-10 #352 Limbo 

  

    

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cloudvalley(at)comcast.net

Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:27 AM

To: martrionics

Subject: construction dilemmas



 

   

Hello builders,

  

Now where can one get all the extra $$$$ for this wonderful airplane? I know I would like some mods too.. a cold air sump, Holy Cowl...wondering how much a Barett engine would cost with just the cold air induction system added..and finally hoping that my wife and I will be able to build this. It almost seems like one needs apriori knowlege..but at least we will break the project down into small parts..to be completed individually. 

  

A worthwhile challenge for sure...and a much better performer than our Grumman Tiger we sold 4 year ago.

  

Brian and Ruth Preston

  

#40666

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rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:03 am Post subject: construction dilemmas

Brian;

 The RV-10 is the plane for you and Ruth. You have  it made, a wife that is IR and knows all the good places to fly to in the  country is a plus. But having a building companion.. priceless!

 Pascal

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cloudvalley(at)comcast.ne
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject: construction dilemmas

Hello Pascal,

  

 Thanks for those kind words of appreciation!  Most people assume Brian is the pilot (sometimes continuing to do so even after Brian has told them otherwise.)  I needed and used the instrument rating where I used to live in San Diego for many years.

  

 You're right, the RV10 is the plane for us.  How exciting it was to fly the demo up in Aurora last fall--an hour from our current house.  Actually we were hooked when we first saw it at the airshow in Eugene last Sept.  We were thinking about a Zodiac CH640 but there was no contest when we saw  the RV10.  I used to fly the Tiger for many years but the RV10 will be an exciting upgrade.----Now thinking about the Barrett engine with the cold air induction---.  

  

 Thanks again!

  

 Ruth Preston  #40666

  

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From: "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net> 

  Brian;

 The RV-10 is the plane for you and Ruth. You have it made, a wife that is IR and knows all the good places to fly to in the country is a plus. But having a building companion.. priceless!

 Pascal

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