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kamala(at)MSN.COM
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

np, contact barry coleman in uk via this commander list.  he knows it all 

and sees all , hears all and will tell all.  mason

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		  From: "inphelan" <nickphelan(at)qwest.net>

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Subject: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:06:54 -0800

At the risk of sounding elitist, my family owned quite a few aircraft over 

the years (from the mid-60's) -- We're spread out over North America, coast 

to coast.  Oddly enough, of ALL the aircraft, our family liked the 685 

Commander the MOST.  They found it simply the quietest, most comfortable, 

cabin for the majority of our legs.  I did most of the driving.  (Like the 

rest of me, my memory is beginning to fall apart, so some of these details 

might be "challenged") In 1973/1974 we purchased a factory NEW 685 from 

Eagle Creek (IN) and had it interiored/avionics in Columbus, OH.  It was a 

pretty fine installation for both front end and back end folks.  The 

aircraft was based in IND (and later in BFI) and numbered 685PE.  For 

several years we used it extensively.  It performed flawlessly through all 

kinds of adverse conditions, Northern Canada to the deserts of West Texas, 

having only a single failure -- #1 engine over RIC -- which resulted in an 

uneventful single engined landin!

  g there.  In the late 1970's, the family sold the 685 and replaced it 

with a Merlin and subsequently several other aircraft before the simple 

aging of the members and their geographic dispersement made flying our own  

aircraft simply not feasible.  But they never forgot the 685.  They have 

asked me to try to find it; see if it is for sale and aquire it, or a 

similar aircraft, if possible.  I have done some searching but have run 

aground.  Perhaps some of you all in the "Commander circles" might cast 

some light on this quest.  One caveat:  I am relatively sure, but not 

positive, the s/n was 12059.  It might have been 12057.  Any guidance, 

rumors, suggestions, warnings, from this group would be most appreciated.  

Nick Thomas

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BillLeff1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

I have a really great 685 For sale. It is probably the best one around. It  has great equipment and superb maintenance. Give me a call 937-369-3334 or email  me at BillLeff(at)aol.com (BillLeff(at)aol.com)

  

 Bill Leff

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barry.collman(at)air-brit
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:24 am Post subject: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

Hi Nick,



Firstly, I apologise for not responding to this before, but I've not been 

feeling that well for a couple of days. Aching joints and 'flu-like symptoms 

have kept me fairly quiet, but I feel a little bit better today.



Your Model 685 was s/n 12059. After being N685PE, it became N685RB in May 1980. 

Sadly though, it was damaged beyond repair at Southern Pines-Moore County,North 

Carolina (NTSB report ATL89LA121) on April 5th 1989 and has been parted out by 

Atlanta Air Salvage, Griffin-Spalding County Airport, Georgia.



I'm sure others on the list will know of any 685's being offered for sale, but 

surely Buddy Plaster has one, serial number 112043, N685TT.



Very Best Regards,

Barry



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Budplaster(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:41 am Post subject: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

Barry,

  

 We must have been on the "same flight", metaphorically speaking, because I,  too, have been feeling the same way. But, a couple of young guys like us will  get through this without harm.

  

 I am very much willing to sell my 685-2100 hours TT, 125 hours on each  engine plus all the other neat stuff. 

 Also, I have folks looking at my 560E at a very fair price. Once these  two great machines are sold to two lucky some ones I am getting a 690A or B  before I am unable to fly without a "younger than I am  right-seater"... a not-so-nice subject with me.

  

 Feel Better,

  

 Buddy   

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inphelan

Joined: 10 Feb 2007
Posts: 6
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:57 am Post subject: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

Barry:



"Much obliged" (Yank-ism thanks to Clint Eastwood).  That settles the N685PE-where-abouts issue for me.  



Interesting job you have !



And thank you for the broker leads.  Ignoring  (for the moment) the good wisdom imparted by several other forum members -- forget the Continental engines and go with a 690 or equivalent -- I must continue to research the 685 possibilities, including any re-engine programs which might have been available through the years, before I go on to alternatives.



Again, your imformation, and insight, is much appreciated.



Nick Phelan

Your Model 685 was s/n 12059. After being N685PE, it became N685RB in May 1980. 

Sadly though, it was damaged beyond repair at Southern Pines-Moore County,North 

Carolina (NTSB report ATL89LA121) on April 5th 1989 and has been parted out by 

Atlanta Air Salvage, Griffin-Spalding County Airport, Georgia.

inphelan

Joined: 10 Feb 2007
Posts: 6
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....//// photo?

Barry:



BTW I rumaged through your photo collection but didn't find any of s/n 12059.  Did you ever get a picture of that 685?



Nick Phelan

[quote="barry.collman(at)air-brit"]Hi Nick,



Your Model 685 was s/n 12059. After being N685PE, it became N685RB in May 1980.

CloudCraft(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

In a message dated 20-Feb-07 07:00:47 Pacific Standard Time, nickphelan(at)qwest.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  I must continue to research the 685 possibilities, including any re-engine programs which might have been available through the years, before I go on to alternatives. 	


 Nick,

  

 I admire your devotion to the AC-685.   If you have the money to match your interest, take a look at this:

  

 MR. RPM® Aero Commander FOR SALE

  

 Enjoy!

  

 Wing Commander Gordon

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barry.collman(at)air-brit
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

Hi Nick,



Nope, I never managed to get a shot of that one.



Very Best Regards,

Barry



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n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

[quote="CloudCraft(at)aol.com"]In a message dated 20-Feb-07 07:00:47 Pacific Standard Time, nickphelan(at)qwest.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  I must continue to research the 685 possibilities, including any re-engine programs which might have been available through the years, before I go on to alternatives. 	


 Nick,

  

 I admire your devotion to the AC-685.   If you have the money to match your interest, take a look at this:

  

 MR. RPM? Aero Commander FOR SALE

  

 Enjoy!

  

 Wing Commander Gordon

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Keith,



What is the certification status of tht plane?



Is Orenda still making engines.



Too bad the whole concept didn't fly. Clearly seems it would have been superior to the turbines.

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inphelan

Joined: 10 Feb 2007
Posts: 6
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

Commander Gordon:



Many thanks.  I think this would a tremendous aircraft but for two small issues:  (1) The need to carry non-flight-crew family member passengers, and (2) the need to get insurance to carry those passengers at an annual rate less than the acquisition cost of the 685 !



I wish these guys had had this mod way back when!



Nick Phelan

 I admire your devotion to the AC-685.   If you have the money to match your interest, take a look at this:

 

  

 Wing Commander Gordon

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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

Milt-



If they'd have certified them- I'd gladly have hung a set on 414C....   



Rob



 



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CloudCraft(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:41 pm Post subject: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

In a message dated 20-Feb-07 15:23:55 Pacific Standard Time, nickphelan(at)qwest.net writes:

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		  I think this would a tremendous aircraft but for two small issues:  (1) The need to carry non-flight-crew family member passengers, and (2) the need to get insurance to carry those passengers at an annual rate less than the acquisition cost of the 685 ! 	


 Oh!  So now you want to be practical!???!!!   

  

 As to Milt's question about certification status and production of the engines, I think Bill Leff -- who flew the first prototype -- and Tylor Hall, who keeps track of Mr. RPM might know the current status.     Gentlemen?

 

Google "Orenda Engine" and you'll find lots of information, though I don't know how current.  The engine did go on some Ag aircraft and there was an ambitious King Air 90 re-engine program based on the Orenda V8 running parallel with the Commander program.  (Mr.RPM won the derby and flew way before the King Air did.)

  

 Last time I checked, the King Air flew, but the fleet-wide re-engine rush never happened.

  

 Sadly, too, because this was a most viable Commander engine retrofit program -- Mr. RPM told me it would eventually apply to the 680F series Commanders as well as the 685 and his first go at this was the "Thunder Engine" which flew upon a Turbo Commander, demonstrating the range of airframes for the liquid cooled V8 mod.

  

 Wing Commander Gordon



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inphelan

Joined: 10 Feb 2007
Posts: 6
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

You're right!  Lost my perspective there for a moment.  Why not dump more money into that great big hole-in-the-air called an aircraft !



BTW I will try to popst a coupla snaps of the aircraft since it is unlikely it will be ever photographed again, what with it being scattered across North Carolina's countryside, and all......



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floydgm(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

The 685 and the tooling for the engines were sold by Dick MaCoon to a 

company in Texas.

The company in Texas wants to use the engine in the Automotive racing scene.



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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:

http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr

endaEngine/

Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.

Thanks

Nico



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Jim Addington

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Denton, Texas

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

Nico, I could not get it to open, here or copy and paste.



Jim Addington

N444BD

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BillLeff1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

I heard that Dick MacCoon flew the 685 to Texas to start the program up  again.

  

 Bill Leff



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BillLeff1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:06 pm Post subject: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

The engine was certified by Orenda.

  

 Bill Leff



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apg86

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Posts: 22
Location: KAJO Corona CA

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

 	  nico(at)cybersuperstore.c wrote: 	
		  I have a couple of pics and a video of the Orenda commander flying:

http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOr

endaEngine/

Let me know if you have problems getting to the material.

Thanks

Nico



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http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOrendaengine/



this link might work



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apg86

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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: Commander 685 s/n 12059 Lost track of....

http://www.teletuition.org/documents/Aviation/AeroCommanders/AeroCommanderOrendaengine/Aero-Commander-320x240.WMV



nice video



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