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Jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: Registration

Listers, a question:

It is my understanding that iIf a Zodiac 601XL is registered "Experimental," it can be flown as an LSA or as any other experimental airplane and the builder can do all the maintenance by filling out a form.



If it is registered "E-LSA," it can be flown only as an LSA and the builder must attend a course on maintenance to qualify to do maintenance.



Why would anyone register a 601XL as E-LSA?



Jay in Dallas

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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:37 am Post subject: Registration

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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:07 pm Post subject: Registration

Hi Jay,



As always, there are trade-offs.



The issue regarding maintenance is actually a little better than your 

comments suggest.  Anyone can work on any experimental aircraft no 

matter whether it is E-LSA or E-AB.  The regulations get involved 

when it comes to signing off the annual condition inspection.  This 

can always be done by an A&P with appropriate license.  In the case 

of E-AB it can also be done by the builder if he has the repairman's 

certificate that can only be issued to the builder.  For E-LSA there 

is a similar certificate that can be earned by attending a 2 day 

class.  In this case you don't have to be the builder, but I think 

you need to be the owner.



There is no 51% rule for E-LSA certificate.  The other difference I 

know about is the number of hours needed to fly off the Phase 1 

flight testing.  This is 25 or 40 hours for E-AB certificated 

planes.  I have seen E-LSA get as little as 5 hours of Phase 1 flight 

test requirement.  This is the amount of flight testing you need to 

do before carrying passengers or leaving the limited flight test area.



One last point.  The question of flying "as LSA" doesn't need to 

consider how the plane is certified.  It only matters that the 

performance and other qualities qualify the plane as meeting the LSA 

requirements.  A Sport Pilot or higher licensed pilot flying under 

Sport Pilot privileges can fly any plane that meets the LSA 

definition.  Similarly, a plane with an E-LSA certificate can be 

flown at night or IFR if properly equipped.



Have fun,



Paul

XL fuselage





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Listers, a question:

It is my understanding that iIf a Zodiac 601XL is registered 

"Experimental," it can be flown as an LSA or as any other 

experimental airplane and the builder can do all the maintenance by 

filling out a form.



If it is registered "E-LSA," it can be flown only as an LSA and the 

builder must attend a course on maintenance to qualify to do maintenance.



Why would anyone register a 601XL as E-LSA?



Jay in Dallas


	


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bryanmmartin

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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject: Registration

It might be a little bit easier to sell an E-LSA than an E-AB because  

the new owner can obtain certification to perform the annual  

inspections without having to be an A&P mechanic. The night and IFR  

restrictions apply to the Sport Pilot not to the Sport Aircraft. A  

sport pilot may not fly at night or IFR. A sport aircraft, if  

properly equipped (and, for S-LSA,  approved by the airframe and  

engine manufacturers) can be flown at night or in IFR.



http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid 4



Question :

Who can perform maintenance and inspections on an E-LSA?



Answer :

Anyone can perform maintenance, repair, or modification on an  

experimental light-sport aircraft. No certificate or rating of any  

kind is required.



The annual condition inspection on E-LSA can be completed by:



a) A repairman (light-sport aircraft) with a maintenance rating; or



b) A repairman (light-sport aircraft) with a inspection rating on  

aircraft owned by the repairman; or



c) An appropriately rated mechanic (A&P), or



d) An appropriately rated repair station.



http://www.sportpilot.org/questions/afmviewfaq.asp?faqid=540



Question :

i am building a kitplane which has been approved for the 51 % rule. i  

would like to know what all the pros and cons are whether to finally  

register it as e-ab or e-lsa.



Answer :

The only difference of any consequence in certification of the  

aircraft as either experimental amateur-built or experimental LSA is  

the issue of the repairman certificate. This certificate is necessary  

if an individual wishes to perform the condition inspection each year  

as required by the aircraft's operating limitations. (No certificate  

of any kind is necessary in order to perform maintenance, repair, or  

modification.)



Here's the deal:



For amateur-built aircraft, only the original primary builder is  

eligible for the repairman certificate. There is no training  

requirement. The individual simply needs to prove that he/she is the  

original primary builder of the aircraft. No subsequent owners are  

eligible, so they would have to have an A&P mechanic perform the  

condition inspection each year.



For ELSA, the owner must attend a 16 hour course of instruction and  

pass a test in order to be eligible for the repairman certificate.  

This is true regardless of whether the person built the aircraft or  

not. Even the original builder would have to take this course.  

However, subsequent owners would be eligible for the repairman  

certificate after passing the 16 hour course, even though they had  

nothing to do with the building of the aircraft.



Yes, it is true that you must have the certification completed by 31  

January 2008 in order to certificate the aircraft as ELSA. There is  

no deadline for amateur-built certification, but you must be able to  

prove that amateur-builders did the major portion of the fabrication  

and assembly tasks.



Other than the repairman certificate issue, there is no operational  

difference in ELSA as compared to amateur-built.



On Feb 25, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Jaybannist(at)cs.com wrote:



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 Listers, a question:

 It is my understanding that iIf a Zodiac 601XL is registered  

 "Experimental," it can be flown as an LSA or as any other  

 experimental airplane and the builder can do all the maintenance by  

 filling out a form.



 If it is registered "E-LSA," it can be flown only as an LSA and the  

 builder must attend a course on maintenance to qualify to do  

 maintenance.



 Why would anyone register a 601XL as E-LSA?



 Jay in Dallas


	


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N61BM, CH 601 XL,

RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.

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Jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: Registration

Listers,



Thanks to all who replied to my question about E-LSA vs Experimental.  There were some aspects that I was not aware of; and others that I knew about, but hadn't thought through the implications.



You all came through again and proved the value of this list.



Thanks again!

Jay in Dallas

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