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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:05 am Post subject: Sensenich mated to a 3300

Hello Michael,

  

 I have a Europa XS with a 3300 installed swinging a Sensenich hollow  carbon, ground adjustable prop and it has been flawless fo over 89 hours now.  Very well made prop and hub, very light and very smooth. Performance is  excellent. My numbers are on the high side of what Europa quotes for a  912S/Warp Drive combo. Airmaster is supposed to release an electrically  adjustable hub for this blade set later this year, probably at Oshkosh.

  

  I have no experience with the Prince P-tip props, though. 

  

 Hope it helps!

 

Regards,

  

 John Lawton-

 Dunlap, TN (TN89)

N245E

  

  



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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:58 am Post subject: Sensenich mated to a 3300

Hi John,



 I would be shocked if your Jabiru didn't outperform a Rotax 912S on nearly any airplane.  For one thing it has 20 or 30 percent more horse power.



 I have heard rumors that the Sensenich wood props actually outperform the composite ones.  It would be interesting to hear from someone who actually tried both on the same airplane and could actually compare the results.



 Happy Landings.



 Paul

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 At 06:04 AM 2/25/2007, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Hello Michael,

  

 I have a Europa XS with a 3300 installed swinging a Sensenich hollow carbon, ground adjustable prop and it has been flawless fo over 89 hours now. Very well made prop and hub, very light and very smooth. Performance is excellent. My numbers are on the high side of what Europa quotes for a 912S/Warp Drive combo. Airmaster is supposed to release an electrically adjustable hub for this blade set later this year, probably at Oshkosh.

  

  I have no experience with the Prince P-tip props, though. 

  

 Hope it helps!



 Regards,

  

 John Lawton-

 Dunlap, TN (TN89)

 N245E

  

  

 

 

 	
 

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 Paul Mulwitz

 32013 NE Dial Road

 Camas, WA 98607

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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: Sensenich mated to a 3300

Hi,

  

 Have you ever tried DUC props? Do you believe in more than 65% real eficiency? I'm flying a Pioneer 300S with Jab3300 and a DUC prop with 64in. Got to be careful not to reach VNE at 160 Knots. Takeoff? Less than 300 ft! Climbs at 1900ft/min at 80Knots (BRC). Cruises at 125 Knots at 70%. 14L/h Unlead 98 oct. 

  

 What you say?

  

 Best regards.

  

 Miguel



 

 On 2/25/07, Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net (p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net)> wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		   Hi John,



I would be shocked if your Jabiru didn't outperform a Rotax 912S on nearly any airplane.  For one thing it has 20 or 30 percent more horse power.



I have heard rumors that the Sensenich wood props actually outperform the composite ones.  It would be interesting to hear from someone who actually tried both on the same airplane and could actually compare the results. 



Happy Landings.



Paul

Zodiac XL, fuselage - J3300 on order

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At 06:04 AM 2/25/2007, you wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  Hello Michael,

 

I have a Europa XS with a 3300 installed swinging a Sensenich hollow carbon, ground adjustable prop and it has been flawless fo over 89 hours now. Very well made prop and hub, very light and very smooth. Performance is excellent. My numbers are on the high side of what Europa quotes for a 912S/Warp Drive combo. Airmaster is supposed to release an electrically adjustable hub for this blade set later this year, probably at Oshkosh. 

 

 I have no experience with the Prince P-tip props, though. 

 

Hope it helps!



Regards,

 

John Lawton-

Dunlap, TN (TN89)

N245E

 

 

	
 

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Paul Mulwitz

32013 NE Dial Road

Camas, WA 98607

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Gilles.Thesee(at)ac-greno
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject: Sensenich mated to a 3300

Miguel Maia de Loureiro a écrit :

 	  Quote: 	
		    I'm flying a Pioneer 300S with Jab3300 and a DUC prop with 64in. Got 

 to be careful not to reach VNE at 160 Knots. Takeoff? Less than 300 

 ft! Climbs at 1900ft/min at 80Knots (BRC). Cruises at 125 Knots at 

 70%. 14L/h Unlead 98 oct.

  

 What you say?

Miguel,
	




Those numbers are most impressive indeed. 300 ft run, 1900 ft/min. 80 kt 

seems a bit high for best rate of climb. Alpi states something closer to 

65 kt.

Do you really mean you're close to 160 kt at WOT ? In that case, 70% 

cruise should be closer to 140 kt ?



Regards,

Gilles Thesee

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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:39 am Post subject: Sensenich mated to a 3300

Hello Gilles,

  

 Most Alpi Pioneer 300's flies with short wing versions and ROTAX 912S, as Pioneer Team flies. About prop eficiency, it's not linear. Pitching prop with different values did seam to be linear as well. 160 knots can be done with high energy, that means, pitch down the bird at about -250 ft/min at full. In 3 o 4 seconds you're there. Level out and keep full power. 125 Knots at 70% 'cause larger wings induce more drag and better lift 



 

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Miguel Maia de Loureiro a écrit :

 	  Quote: 	
		    I'm flying a Pioneer 300S with Jab3300 and a DUC prop with 64in. Got

 to be careful not to reach VNE at 160 Knots. Takeoff? Less than 300 

 ft! Climbs at 1900ft/min at 80Knots (BRC). Cruises at 125 Knots at

 70%. 14L/h Unlead 98 oct.



 What you say?

Miguel,
	




Those numbers are most impressive indeed. 300 ft run, 1900 ft/min. 80 kt 

seems a bit high for best rate of climb. Alpi states something closer to

65 kt.

Do you really mean you're close to 160 kt at WOT ? In that case, 70%

cruise should be closer to 140 kt ?



Regards,

 Gilles Thesee

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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: Sensenich mated to a 3300

Miguel Maia de Loureiro a écrit :

 	  Quote: 	
		    160 knots can be done with high energy, that means, pitch down the 

 bird at about -250 ft/min at full. In 3 o 4 seconds you're there.


	




Miguel,



Understand. Makes sense.

Thanks,



Best regards,

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