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John Vormbaum

Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Posts: 273
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:04 am Post subject: Speaking of weird engine issues...

There seems to be a rash of engine weirdness going around. I blew both oil coolers, at idle, 5 sec. apart after startup one day. We replaced the coolers, checked everything, started up again on a nice, sunny, 63-deg. day, and blew the left one again. Turns out the filters that are on it (don't remember the name) have fewer oil return holes than the Champions we normally use....which built the pressure in the cooler loop up to 650psi! It looks like the Champions will return the airplane to its normal behavior.



The coolers are bench tested to 400psi, and we've discovered that normal pressure for that part of the oil system is about 200-250psi.



Oh, and the $2k environmental cleanup charge (to recover the 14 quarts of oil spilled on the ramp), courtesy of Marin County Airports, was a real drag too.



/John

rcdettmer(at)charter.net
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:33 am Post subject: Speaking of weird engine issues...

I'll trade your $2K clean-up for my $$$ engine replacement.



RD



DettmerArchitecture

663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA  93405

805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865

www.dettmerarchitecture.com



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rsrandazzo(at)precisionma
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:30 pm Post subject: Speaking of weird engine issues...

John-



Are you SERIOUS???  $2000??????



I'm not sure I'd want to live in a place like that....



Robert S. Randazzo 



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John Vormbaum

Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Posts: 273
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Speaking of weird engine issues...

 	  rcdettmer(at)charter.net wrote: 	
		  I'll trade your $2K clean-up for my $$$ engine replacement.



RD



DettmerArchitecture

663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA  93405

805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865

www.dettmerarchitecture.com



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Ha, compared to you Randy, I got off easy, both in the financial and adrenaline departments.



Robert, Marin County Airport (Gnoss Field) is surrounded on 3 sides by protected wetlands and 4 sides by tree-hugging hippies. I'm as green as the next guy, but $2,200 seems a little excessive for some Pig Blankets & Simple Green. I'll do my best in the future to have any of these issues in the desert, where some kid would come throw kitty litter on the spill & that's the last I'd hear of it.



/John

nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: Speaking of weird engine issues...

I don't want to drift into unpleasant territory here with that cross-wind,

but if folks would vote and vote right we might stop this nonsense. Ordinary

folks do not have the time or inclination to be activists, so it takes time

for them to realize that they got bamboozled.



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Ha, compared to you Randy, I got off easy, both in the financial and
	


adrenaline departments.



Robert, Marin County Airport (Gnoss Field) is surrounded on 3 sides by

protected wetlands and 4 sides by tree-hugging hippies. I'm as green as the

next guy, but $2,200 seems a little excessive for some Pig Blankets & Simple

Green. I'll do my best in the future to have any of these issues in the

desert, where some kid would come throw kitty litter on the spill & that's

the last I'd hear of it.



/John





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moe(at)rosspistons.com
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: Speaking of weird engine issues...

A few years ago some guys that I know did crash a Metro Liner out in the

Desert (everyone walked away), and as I remember the clean up costs were

about $ 40,000.00....federal land don't you know.



Moe

N680RR

680F(p)



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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:50 pm Post subject: Speaking of weird engine issues...

In a message dated 2/24/2007 12:33:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, rsrandazzo(at)precisionmanuals.com writes:

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I'm not sure I'd want to live in a place like that.... 	


 Im sure I DONT WANT TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. jb



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bowing74(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject: Speaking of weird engine issues...

The joys of living in the country of California.



bilbo

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bertberry1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: Speaking of weird engine issues...

As the saying goes, you only need three things for a true oil spill.



1. Oil

2. Earth/Water

3. Daylight



Without all three, it probably didn't happen.

John Vormbaum

Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Posts: 273
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: Speaking of weird engine issues...

Interstingly, there was no daylight involved. It was a night startup. So 

your saying is flawed .



/John



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nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: Speaking of weird engine issues...

Perhaps '3. witness' would be more accurate?



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John Vormbaum

Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Posts: 273
Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: Speaking of weird engine issues...

Yes, "witness" is definitely what really caused the problems.



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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: Speaking of weird engine issues...

Guys, Been out of town. Did anyone find out what kind of cylinders were on  the failed engines? If so please drop me an e-mail /Thanks  Gil



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