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PatrickW

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

I want to re-do my aileron belcranks.  Not happy with how they turned out.



To do that I need to buy some angle stock.



The original piece was 6061, so I'd like to stick with that.  Home Depot has the size I need, but I don't know if it's 6061 or not.  



How can I tell...?



I stood with the piece of aluminum stock in hand, and pondered for a bit before placing it back on the shelf.  I can always get it from Wick$, but I'd sure like to find a local source (here in Minneapolis) for stuff like that...



- Patrick

601XL/Corvair

naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

Patrick-

    There's an ink stencilled identification on every piece. You're not 

going to find aviation grade at HD. More like lawn chair grade!

    Don't know where you live, but I work in the 3rd largest city in Pa. and 

the local outlets are more expensive than the big aviation warehouses. This 

doesn't seem to be the case out West.

Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville, Pa

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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

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		   6061-T6 has a radius in the corner. the Home Depot

 like all hardware stores do not carry this type of

 aluminum and besides it would have the marking on

 on the angle too....Do not archive

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 I want to re-do my aileron belcranks.  Not happy

 with how they turned out.

 

 To do that I need to buy some angle stock.

 

 The original piece was 6061, so I'd like to stick

 with that.  Home Depot has the size I need, but I

 don't know if it's 6061 or not.  

 

 How can I tell...?

 

 I stood with the piece of aluminum stock in hand,

 and pondered for a bit before placing it back on the

 shelf.  I can always get it from Wick$, but I'd sure

 like to find a local source (here in Minneapolis)

 for stuff like that...

 

 - Patrick

 601XL/Corvair

 

 

 

 

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PatrickW

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
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Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: Re: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

Yeah, I was thinking "Lawn Chair Grade" when I was looking at it.  Isn't worth taking a chance on something like an aileron bellcrank.



I'll order some from Wicks or AS.  



Maybe I'll wait until I make more mistakes so I can place a bigger order and save on shipping...    



Patrick

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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

Patrick-

    Rely on the mark, not the radius. I've received the same grade from two 

different reliable sources, one with, and one without the radius.

    You'll find that the shipping, rather than material costs, will kill 

you. Ease the pain by ordering something you know you're going to need down 

the road.

Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville, Pa

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planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

buy it from McMaster.com. same as Minneapolis...



PatrickW <pwhoyt(at)yahoo.com> wrote:  [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "PatrickW" 



I want to re-do my aileron belcranks. Not happy with how they turned out.



To do that I need to buy some angle stock.



The original piece was 6061, so I'd like to stick with that. Home Depot has the size I need, but I don't know if it's 6061 or not. 



How can I tell...?



I stood with the piece of aluminum stock in hand, and pondered for a bit before placing it back on the shelf. I can always get it from Wick$, but I'd sure like to find a local source (here in Minneapolis) for stuff like that...



- Patrick

601XL/Corvair





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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

I went to Yahoo. Typed in "Minneapolis aircraft metal" and got more than  260 plus hits. (didn't go to the last page) Some you wouldn't need BUT  there IS going to be at least one in the lot that will have what you need &  sell to you. KABONG  Do Not Archive

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		  The      original piece was 6061, so I'd like to stick with that. Home Depot has the      size I need, but I don't know if it's 6061 or not. 



How can I      tell...?



I stood with the piece of aluminum stock in hand, and      pondered for a bit before placing it back on the shelf. I can always get it      from Wick$, but I'd sure like to find a local source (here in Minneapolis)      for stuff like that...



-      Patrick

601XL/Corvair





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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

HI Patrick:

                I  only use Home Depot material for fixtures. The Zenith factory will sell you  any material you need. 

 Regards, John Read 

  

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ashontz

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: Re: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

These guys carry 6061-T6. There's a store 500 feet down the street from me that just opened up.



http://www.fastenal.com/web/locations.ex?action=search&zip=&state=NJ

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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

Thanks for the "heads up". They have a store the next town over from me,  never knew they existed, looks like a good find. 

  

 Bob Spudis

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 In a message dated 2/27/2007 2:47:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  ashontz(at)nbme.org writes:

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These    guys carry 6061-T6. There's a store 500 feet down the street from me that just    opened    up.



http://www.fastenal.com/web/locations.ex?action=search&zip=&state=NJ



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ashontz

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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

[quote="NYTerminat(at)aol.com"]Thanks for the "heads up". They have a store the next town over from me,  never knew they existed, looks like a good find. 

  

 Bob Spudis

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These    guys carry 6061-T6. There's a store 500 feet down the street from me that just    opened    up.



http://www.fastenal.com/web/locations.ex?action=search&zip=&state=NJ



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I just went in the one near me for the first time yesterday. They seem to have a lot of locations. The guy working there is looking into availability of sheet. They can order a lot of stuff. May not even get charged for shipping seeing as how these places get a lot of shipments anyway. They wound up having the 1/2 x 1/4 x 12 foot 6061-T6 bar I needed for the spars, right on the shelf. And here I was driving 170 miles roundtrip to N. Jersey for the same thing that was literally 500 feet down the street. Well, ok, maybe 850 feet.

mhilderbrand

Joined: 28 Sep 2006
Posts: 36

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:35 am Post subject: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

Looks like a potential store for 6061 aluminum. It does not say anything about being -T6.  Is this part just assumed?

 thanks!

 

Michael 



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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:20 am Post subject: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

I will be looking up the ASTMs that their 6061 is listed against and post the results.



Michael Hilderbrand <m_hilderbrand(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:  [quote]        

  Looks like a potential store for 6061 aluminum. It does not say anything about being -T6.  Is this part just assumed?

  thanks!

 

Michael 



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ashontz

Joined: 27 Dec 2006
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:14 am Post subject: Re: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

 	  mhilderbrand wrote: 	
		  Looks like a potential store for 6061 aluminum. It does not say anything about being -T6.  Is this part just assumed?

 thanks!

 

Michael 



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I believe the guy there said it was T6. Not sure if it matters to be honest. If anyone gets any info on that please share. I think it designates heat treatable.

agustafson(at)chartermi.n
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

I think www.onlinemetals.com might be near you.  They have metals and sizes that I've found nowhere else.

  

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planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:10 am Post subject: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

hey guys - please be careful here. It does designate the heat treat - and the heat treat is VERY important. T3, T4, T6, and others are alll specific heat treats and have very specific differences in material properties (the loads that can be handled by identical shapes of differing heat treats). Pay very close attention to this detail - your very life may depend on it.



ashontz <ashontz(at)nbme.org> wrote:  [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" 

mhilderbrand wrote:

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		   Looks like a potential store for 6061 aluminum. It does not say anything about being -T6. Is this part just assumed?

 thanks!

 

 Michael 

 

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I believe the guy there said it was T6. Not sure if it matters to be honest. If anyone gets any info on that please share. I think it designates heat   Zodiac 601XL/Corvair?

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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

You almost gave me a heart attack. Unfortunately, no sheet stock less than 

.032.

Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville, Pa

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PatrickW

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 380
Location: Fort Worth, Texas

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: ID'ing Aluminum Stock...?

I went ahead and ordered the stock (and some other stuff) from Aircraft Spruce.



Went with the 6061-T6, as in the original piece.  



I am going a bit larger on the "base" of the aileron bellcrank (2 inches instead of 1 inch) so as to utilize an existing line of factory drilled holes for additional rivets, instead of just drilling 3 in line to hold the bellcrank attachement onto the rib.



I saw a photo on another guy's website where he did the same thing on his XL, and I believe the 1/10th of an ounce weight penalty is well worth having an extra line of rivets in this particular area.



PatrickW

601XL/Corvair

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