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kfackler(at)ameritech.net
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: Landing distances

After some careful, but not scientifically accurate, measurements, I've

determined the following for my aircraft:



Min takeoff: 400'

Min landing: 500'



Realistic takeoff: 500'

Realistic landing: 600'



This is in a Kolb Mark II with a Rotax 503, flying consistently at gross

weight of 750 lbs. I do have brakes, but they're the go-cart cable type and

hardly effective. They're not useful on landings or for short field takeoff

technique, only for slowing down while taxiing.



How do these compare to what the rest of you experience?



-Ken Fackler

Kolb Mark II / N722KM

Rochester MI

knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: Landing distances

Really! 500 ft for landing???

 Two foot ball fields end to end ???

 I would have thought less...



 Is this also the case for a Firestar II ????



 The KOLB site doesn't list the landing distance but has

 take off at 200 ft with a 503... Do we assume at Gross weight ?

 How far off are these figure???? 8-/



 Thanks!



 Mark Vaughn



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kfackler(at)ameritech.net
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: Landing distances

 	  Quote: 	
		   Really! 500 ft for landing???

 The KOLB site doesn't list the landing distance but has take off at 200 ft

with a 503
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   Do we assume at Gross weight ?


	


Like most mfgs of any sort of product, I'm sure they put the figures out

that have the most "wow" factor. Not to say they're wrong, but they probably

were generated under the most favorable conditions imaginable: a very light

ship with a very light pilot carrying a gallon or two of fuel on a low DA

day and with a stiff headwind. Don't get me wrong, I love my Kolb! But as

you say, what's realistic?



I don't claim to be a 'hot stick' so it's quite possible others can fly

their ships at slow enough speeds, and possibly with some help from flaps

which I don't have, and get it slow enough to stop much more quickly. But

that's why I asked, to see what others are doing.



-Ken

Eugene Zimmerman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 392

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: Landing distances

Ken,

I  easily cut that in half,  no wind.

On Mar 2, 2007, at 10:57 PM, <kfackler(at)ameritech.net>  

<kfackler(at)ameritech.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 After some careful, but not scientifically accurate, measurements,  

 I've

 determined the following for my aircraft:



 Min takeoff: 400'

 Min landing: 500'



 Realistic takeoff: 500'

 Realistic landing: 600'



 This is in a Kolb Mark II with a Rotax 503, flying consistently at  

 gross

 weight of 750 lbs. I do have brakes, but they're the go-cart cable  

 type and

 hardly effective. They're not useful on landings or for short field  

 takeoff

 technique, only for slowing down while taxiing.



 How do these compare to what the rest of you experience?



 -Ken Fackler

 Kolb Mark II / N722KM

 Rochester MI

possums(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: Landing distances

 	  Quote: 	
		  a very light

ship with a very light pilot carrying a gallon or two of fuel on a low DA

day and with a stiff headwind.



I don't claim to be a 'hot stick' so it's quite possible others can fly

their ships at slow enough speeds,


	


Depends on the ship



Short Field landings

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4011065178040668060&hl=en

These guys are good.

knowvne(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: Landing distances

Bet a Kolb could  catch  the #3 wire.... ONCE  hahahahaha



Mark Vaughn



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a58r(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:55 am Post subject: Landing distances

Most any Kolb could probably BACK in to #2 wire...even #1. Reminds me  

of the HotRock who "specialized" in grabbing #1 wire. His epitaph:  

Fantail Frank...rip.

regards,

Bob N.    FireFly 070 Old Kolb

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/



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Bill Vincent

Joined: 30 Jan 2006
Posts: 84

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: Landing distances

Possum

How big is the tail hook on your plane?

Bill Vincent

FS II

P.S. Just read a story about landing on Aircraft carriers,it surprised me 

they land almost strictly by angle of attack.



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Bill Vincent
Firestar II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan

knowvne(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: Landing distances

What do you mean  Land by Angle of Attack?

They use a Vasi system,  I thought ...



Mark Vaughn



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David Lucas

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 79
Location: Europe. based Amsterdam NL

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:53 am Post subject: Re: Landing distances

Reminds me of landing at one of the jungle strips I used to fly into in Papua New Guinea years back. It had an upslope on it with the parking bay about two thirds of the way up the strip, but that last third was almost level so you could actually land downhill if you were lightly loaded, providing you put it down right at the threshold and jumped on the brakes. The Pilatus Porter turbo prop with beta range and reverse thrust could stop before the turn off but the rest of us in our 206's, aztecs, etc usually went past a bit and had to turn around and taxy back. It developed into an unofficial short landing contest with the winner being acknowledged at the bar the next evening.



There was one of those push/pull twin boom cessna 337's (I think) made an approach there one day, first day out after major maintenance. He touched down right on the mark and stopped short of the turn off ! Fantastic stuff. Won the prize that week. 



Slight problem though, the reason for the short landing roll was that is was not a roll, but a skid ! He'd forgotten to put the gear down and the back of the drag curve, full flap approach required enough power that it did not not to trigger the warning horn. It turns out he had been flying the fixed gear version, the 336, earlier in the day.... oops !



The competition was called off after that as it was thought nobody could trump that effort .... particularly as it was the chief pilot at the time who did it !!!!   



C’est la vie ....... and no it wasn't me !



David.



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lndc

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 9
Location: northern MN

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Landing distances

Hi, I used to own an original firestar with a 377. Take off was never over 125'. Landing about the same maybe a little longer.

Dan Charter

John Jung

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 108
Location: Surprise, AZ, USA

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Landing distances

Ken,



I fly a 503 Firestar II, which should be similar to yours for take-off and landing. Trouble is, I usually fly at 600 pounds gross, or less. When I have flown at 750 pounds, both take-off and landing were significantly longer. So, your numbers don't sound bad to me.

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John Jung
Firestar II N6163J
Surprise, AZ

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