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Tim Olson
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 Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject: OT: So let's just sue everbody |
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Just saw this in today's AvWeb:
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The families of former New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his
flight instructor Tyler Stanger claim the crash of their Cirrus SR20
into a Manhattan apartment building was caused by a “catastrophic
failure of the flight control system.” A statement released by Todd
Macaluso, the lawyer representing the families of Lidle and Stanger,
claims that FAA and NTSB data show that Cirrus aircraft have “a history
of aileron failures” and “there have been other accidents involving
flight control failures, several of which resulted in deaths.” The suit
also names Teledyne, Hartzel Propeller, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice
Aviation. The NTSB has not yet determined a cause for the Oct. 11 crash,
but an update to its preliminary report released in early November
focuses on the role of a 13-knot crosswind in the accident and makes no
mention of control anomalies. Cirrus has declined comment on details of
the crash investigation. New York television station NY1 says the cause
of the crash will determine whether Lidle’s family gets a $1 million
insurance payout from Major League Baseball. Meanwhile, the owner of an
apartment 13 floors above the impact point is suing Lidle’s family for
$7 million, claiming the crash ruined his home. Dr. Lawrence Rosenthal
claims the crash loosened bricks, broke windows and caused extensive
smoke damage to his apartment, which is actually three suites joined
together to form a single residence. Rosenthal’s lawyer, David
Jaroslawicz, told reporters last week that “everything was destroyed” in
his client’s apartment and he and his family had to move out. Lidle’s
plane hit the 30th floor of the apartment building on Manhattan’s Upper
East Side. The engine was ejected into an apartment, but most of the
plane bounced off the building and fell to the street. Lidle and Stanger
were sightseeing in a strip of VFR airspace called the East River
Exclusion Area when the pilot (it hasn’t been determined who was flying)
tried to make a U-turn at the northern boundary of the area.
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OK, you know, this is what really ticks me off about idiots who sue
everyone when they screw up. First, they sue Cirrus because they
have "a history of aileron failures". But then they go on to sue
Teledyne, Hartzel Prop, S-Tec, Honeywell, and Justice Aviation.
Now tell me, what friggin' part of the aileron system does the
Hartzel Prop cause to fail? And what about Teledyne? And if the
aileron fails, is that S-Tec's fault? Or what about Honeywell....
they HAD to have something to do with it, right??? They're WAY
big in the aileron business. I don't know if I'd even believe
the original statement that the aileron failed causing the crash,
but to go and sue everyone involved in producing the plane just shows
you're an incredibly stupid, money grubbing, idiotic dumb schmuck.
Too bad the penalty for losing a frivolous lawsuit isn't death by
hanging....then maybe people would actually think about and focus
on what really may have been the real problem before they just
go looking for some quick cash.
Sorry for the rant, but I just hope to heck we never see anything
this idiotic come from this group. I highly doubt it, but perhaps
it's worth having a good talk with your families about what you would
like to have them pursue in the event of your death. It would be nice
to know that they'll approach things a little rationally and not try
to drive more nails in the coffin of the activity which we all enjoy
so much.
Tim
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DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: OT: So let's just sue everbody |
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I'm right with you on this Tim. A friend sent me this article earlier
today. I think they should sue the company who built the building because
it was in the flight path of the airplane. And why doesn't the guy who had
his apartment wrecked just make a claim to his home owners insurance?
The hanging penalty you speak of is "Loser pays all fees and costs." If the
family or attorney thought they may have to pay all the costs for both sides
if they lost the suit, they may not bring it at all. I don't think we will
ever see this for obvious reasons.
I have several pretty good life insurance policies. If I go west in a plane
crash or any other manner, my family will be just fine, financially.
Dave Leikam
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rwhunter(at)integra.net
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: OT: So let's just sue everbody |
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Tim, You know what will really burn your tail is that they will get a
jury of the dumbest people they can find (Leno Jaywalkers) and they will
win every suit. Even if it makes no sense. The FBO that I worked for
years ago rented a C-150 Aerobat to a couple of guys who decided to
practice spins under a 1500' overcast. They video taped the whole event
from the cockpit. The FBO and Cessna were responsible because the C-150
would not recover from a spin in the available space. There are so many
like that out there it's incredible. You or I will never end up on one
of those juries.
Rob Hunter
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VHMUM(at)bigpond.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: OT: So let's just sue everbody |
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And lets not mention movie stars as politicians.....oh dear you have to
laugh....not! Who voted them in?
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CJohnston(at)popsound.com
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: OT: So let's just sue everbody |
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harrumph.... not much makes me as upset as the vile litigiousness that's become so commonplace these days. I was sued once for 750,000 by a person who came to my house, had too much to drink and stumbled down my 2 porch steps and broke her foot. Yuck. Yuckier still that i don't even drink! That sucky experience led me to write a will that incudes the provisions that in the event that i die skydiving or base jumping, (i'll have to re-write it to include flying) no lawsuits are to be brought against any parties for any reason - even if those parties are seemingly at fault. My family all know better than to sue anyone on my behalf, but just in case, i put it in writing. Losing loved ones to an accident is sad. Cheapening the loss by hunting for dollars is sadder still. Not that I take unnecessary chances - it's just that all the fun stuff comes with some risks. ya know? Sometimes you gotta jump off a building with a parachute at 2am...
cj
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k5wiv(at)amsat.org
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:28 am Post subject: OT: So let's just sue everbody |
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And the families probably never even thought of suing until the money
grubbing blood sucking lawyer suggested it!
Jack & Cecilia Sargeant
1127 Patricia St.
Wichita, KS 67208-2642
316/683-5268
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:27 am Post subject: OT: So let's just sue everbody |
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I agree. Actually, the lawyer after an RV-10 crash would probably have a
bunch of people on this list in the suit, especially Tim O, and probably
Matt Dralle in there towards the top for making this "unsafe exchange of
ideas" possible. They should definitely add Bush because of the excess
humidity caused by his single-handed increase in global warming, causing the
builder to sweat, causing increased corrosion on internal parts and
premature failure. Wait, what about Abby for sewing the seats that didn't
cause the crash but certainly could have made the pilot too comfortable and
confident in his skills. What about Akzo because they didn't advertise
enough, causing too many people to miss out on their great
corrosion-reducing primer. Man, we could go on all day.
Why can't we just make a law that the lawyer of each pilot always fly with
him so he dies too if the plane goes down (no offense meant to any lawyers
out there, unless you are this specific kind).
Do not archive this nonsense.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
www.saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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