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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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 Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: Standard L-angles |
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Has anyone on the list had to order some additional lightweight L-angles like the ones that are supplied with the kit? I just ordered some and the price came out to about $7 for a 4 foot piece of 20mm by 20mm angle .020" thick (6061-T6 bare) plus shipping. Can that be right? The cost of the aluminum is about $1.67each. Can there really be $5.33 of labor and profit in such a generic piece of stock that is kept on hand to be included in every Zenith kit? Had I suspected that the price was so high, I would have simply manufactured them myself at home. I expected maybe $3 per piece and felt that it would be worth having them bent to exactly the same radius as the pieces that came with the kit. I guess the stupid tax strikes again!
Dred
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gboothe5(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: Standard L-angles |
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I built Dave’s Cheap Sheet Metal Bending Brake. I’ll never have to buy another L-angle again. Sorry, that really doesn’t answer your question.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion 90% done,
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Edward Moody II
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:51 PM
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Subject: Standard L-angles
Has anyone on the list had to order some additional lightweight L-angles like the ones that are supplied with the kit? I just ordered some and the price came out to about $7 for a 4 foot piece of 20mm by 20mm angle .020" thick (6061-T6 bare) plus shipping. Can that be right? The cost of the aluminum is about $1.67each. Can there really be $5.33 of labor and profit in such a generic piece of stock that is kept on hand to be included in every Zenith kit? Had I suspected that the price was so high, I would have simply manufactured them myself at home. I expected maybe $3 per piece and felt that it would be worth having them bent to exactly the same radius as the pieces that came with the kit. I guess the stupid tax strikes again!
Dred
601XL/Jabiru/ middle top skin
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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: Standard L-angles |
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Hi Ed,
It sounds like you are ahead of me again. I am working on the rear top skin.
I am a little confused about the angle you mentioned. Is the one you got extruded or bent? The extruded ones they include in the kit are a special size that are not available normally in the USA. I think Zenair has them extruded as a special order with a $1000 minimum or some such thing. That is why they are more expensive than the kind that are made in high volume for distribution to many outlets.
If it is a bent piece, then the labor is probably more than the cost of the aluminum.
Best regards,
Paul
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At 06:50 PM 3/5/2007, you wrote:
| Quote: | Has anyone on the list had to order some additional lightweight L-angles like the ones that are supplied with the kit? I just ordered some and the price came out to about $7 for a 4 foot piece of 20mm by 20mm angle .020" thick (6061-T6 bare) plus shipping. Can that be right? The cost of the aluminum is about $1.67each. Can there really be $5.33 of labor and profit in such a generic piece of stock that is kept on hand to be included in every Zenith kit? Had I suspected that the price was so high, I would have simply manufactured them myself at home. I expected maybe $3 per piece and felt that it would be worth having them bent to exactly the same radius as the pieces that came with the kit. I guess the stupid tax strikes again!
Dred
601XL/Jabiru/ middle top skin
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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:44 am Post subject: Standard L-angles |
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Hi Paul,
I spoke by phone with Shirley at Zenith this very morning..... she's pretty good about returning calls and not letting issues just hang there waiting. The angles in question are the ones bent out of .020 6061-T6 as I explained in the original post. I mentioned also that the reason I would have preferred to get them from Zenith is that the bend radius (they are not extruded pieces) would conform to their specs. Shirley informed me that they are indeed OVER $7 each. As I stated, my cost through AS is 1.67 each. I'm certain that Zenith gets better prices than I do which means that the labor and profit comprise about $6 per four foot piece.
I asked Shirley to cancel the order and I will make up as many angles as I need on my own. In this case, I'm going to take an exemption from the stupid tax. It is a simple issue, Zenith has the right to charge whatever they want and I have the responsibility to deal with that.
Ed
---- Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Hi Ed,
It sounds like you are ahead of me again. I am working on the rear top skin.
I am a little confused about the angle you mentioned. Is the one you
got extruded or bent? The extruded ones they include in the kit are
a special size that are not available normally in the USA. I think
Zenair has them extruded as a special order with a $1000 minimum or
some such thing. That is why they are more expensive than the kind
that are made in high volume for distribution to many outlets.
If it is a bent piece, then the labor is probably more than the cost
of the aluminum.
Best regards,
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 06:50 PM 3/5/2007, you wrote:
>Has anyone on the list had to order some additional lightweight
>L-angles like the ones that are supplied with the kit? I just
>ordered some and the price came out to about $7 for a 4 foot piece
>of 20mm by 20mm angle .020" thick (6061-T6 bare) plus shipping. Can
>that be right? The cost of the aluminum is about $1.67each. Can
>there really be $5.33 of labor and profit in such a generic piece of
>stock that is kept on hand to be included in every Zenith kit? Had I
>suspected that the price was so high, I would have simply
>manufactured them myself at home. I expected maybe $3 per piece and
>felt that it would be worth having them bent to exactly the same
>radius as the pieces that came with the kit. I guess the stupid tax
>strikes again!
>
>Dred
>601XL/Jabiru/ middle top skin
>
>Do Not Archive
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ashontz
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Standard L-angles |
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[quote="dredmoody(at)cox.net"]Has anyone on the list had to order some additional lightweight L-angles like the ones that are supplied with the kit? I just ordered some and the price came out to about $7 for a 4 foot piece of 20mm by 20mm angle .020" thick (6061-T6 bare) plus shipping. Can that be right? The cost of the aluminum is about $1.67each. Can there really be $5.33 of labor and profit in such a generic piece of stock that is kept on hand to be included in every Zenith kit? Had I suspected that the price was so high, I would have simply manufactured them myself at home. I expected maybe $3 per piece and felt that it would be worth having them bent to exactly the same radius as the pieces that came with the kit. I guess the stupid tax strikes again!
Dred
601XL/Jabiru/ middle top skin
No. That;s why I'm building from plans. You have to do a fair amount of work bulding from a kit anyway, doesn't take that much more to make the parts too, plus it's a lot cheaper and you learn a lot. May not be the best solution for everyone, but works great for me.
Actually, yes and no. Took me about 45 minutes to make about 9 standard Ls for the main spar. I had to fire up the compressor, get the shears out, measure, cut. Bend two long Ls. Measure again, cut, trim, check the 90 degree again after the fact since cutting once it's an angle messes up the angle a bit, deburr, and then round the edges. So that's 45 minutes worth of work and about $2 worth of materials. Depends on what you want, quick parts (which you have to wait to be delivered) or money in your pocket and quicker parts.
Still, anyone's labor is worth something. Seeing as how you just get just one straight part that you have to cut anyway, ordering doesn't save that much time for the money.
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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:36 pm Post subject: Standard L-angles |
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Ed-
I saw the Zenith price for L angles a while back and guard them like gold! Every little scrap is saved and used where I can.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
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ashontz
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Standard L-angles |
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[quote="naumuk(at)alltel.net"]Ed-
I saw the Zenith price for L angles a while back and guard them like gold! Every little scrap is saved and used where I can.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuse/Corvair
Townville, Pa
Just buy or make a small bending brake and you can have all the angles you want for cheap.
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