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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:43 pm Post subject: 500B

Fellow Commanders, does anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of Glide" speed for a 500 series Commander? It appears that in the day, this was common knowledge yet, not publicized?

 

 Donnie Rose 

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John Vormbaum

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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: 500B

Mine says nothing about it, but I think BROG speeds  weren't required for twins. I would imagine it's somewhere between Vx &  Vy, but that might just be misfiring memory neurons from flying  singles...

  

 /J

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johntowner(at)centralairs
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: 500B

Donnie,

 

 (Blue line) VYSE is 105 MPH and we think the best glide speed is 120 + or - for the model 500B, 500U, and 500S aircraft.  I cannot think of needing best glide speed only if you would have a double engine failure and hopefully you will never need to use it.  Take care and fly safe.

 

 RESPECTFULLY,

 

 John Towner

 Central Air

 Kansas City

 

 Donnie Rose wrote:

 [quote]         Fellow Commanders, does anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of Glide" speed for a 500 series Commander? It appears that in the day, this was common knowledge yet, not publicized?

  

   Donnie Rose 

 205/492-8444

    

   

   

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rcdettmer(at)charter.net
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:58 am Post subject: 500B

I was thinking about “best glide speed” two weeks ago, when I lost the left engine while dealing with problems with the “right” engine.  Imagine that…problems with “both” engines at the same time. (That’s why I declared an emergency)  So far, it looks like the left engine failed because something broke (maybe a rod bolt).  Even though the engine ran out of oil, there is no evidence of a seizure due to lack of oil.  We are still working on a cause.  As you may recall, cylinders were replaced in both engines during the annual.  It turns out that “old” rings were installed in the replaced cylinder on the failed left engine.  We will be pulling the replaced cylinders on the right engine to look at those rings.  I will keep you guys informed as we learn more.  

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 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

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Donnie,

 

 (Blue line) VYSE is 105 MPH and we think the best glide speed is 120 + or - for the model 500B, 500U, and 500S aircraft.  I cannot think of needing best glide speed only if you would have a double engine failure and hopefully you will never need to use it.  Take care and fly safe.

 

 RESPECTFULLY,

 

 John Towner

 Central Air

 Kansas City

 

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Fellow Commanders, does anyone see in there POH the best "Rate of Glide" speed for a 500 series Commander? It appears that in the day, this was common knowledge yet, not publicized?

    

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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: 500B

Yes sir Mr. Towner, double failure would take the prize! I was doing a little mental exercise the other night when my engines went to "Automatic Rough". They (or my mind) must need the sun up! 

I was thinking that around 120 would be the mark. 

Thank you very much for your help. 

Best regards, 

 

 

 Donnie Rose 

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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:18 am Post subject: 500B

Randy, sorry to hear of your failure. I am sure glad you fellows got down w/o harm! 

I believe Mr. Towner is right on with the BGS of 120 +/-. 

 

 

 Donnie Rose 

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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:20 am Post subject: 500B

Good morning John and thanks for the reply. It looks like around 120 mph is the best glide speed.

 Regards,

 

 Donnie Rose 

205/492-8444

  

 



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WINGFLYER1(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:25 am Post subject: 500B

Randy, I was talking with my mechanic and telling him about you near Death  experience. My mechanic said it sounded like the rings may not have been  installed correctly on the new cylinders thus allowing the blow by. He also said  that on Millinium and eci cylinders you have to be carewful to get thew correct  rings in the correct slots. I hope this bit of info can be of some help Gil  Walker



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rcdettmer(at)charter.net
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: 500B

Thanks Gil for the input.  We have definitely considered that possibility.  It’s still on the table for discussion.  The fact that “both” engines experienced similar symptoms at the same time, after having cylinders replaced sure raises some eyebrows.  

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 AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail  Signature" <![endif]-->DettmerArchitecture  

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805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865  

www.dettmerarchitecture.com  

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 Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:25 AM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: 500B  

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Randy, I was talking with my mechanic and telling him about you near Death experience. My mechanic said it sounded like the rings may not have been installed correctly on the new cylinders thus allowing the blow by. He also said that on Millinium and eci cylinders you have to be carewful to get thew correct rings in the correct slots. I hope this bit of info can be of some help Gil Walker  

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kamala(at)MSN.COM
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:26 am Post subject: 500B

rd, i sure hope you have a mechanic that "owns" his work.  so far i have 

found very very few who do. mason

[quote]From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>

Reply-To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

To: <commander-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: 500B

Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 06:55:32 -0800



I was thinking about "best glide speed" two weeks ago, when I

lost the left engine while dealing with problems with the "right"

engine.  Imagine that.problems with "both" engines at the same

time. (That's why I declared an emergency)  So far, it looks like

the left engine failed because something broke (maybe a rod

bolt).  Even though the engine ran out of oil, there is no

evidence of a seizure due to lack of oil.  We are still working

on a cause.  As you may recall, cylinders were replaced in both

engines during the annual.  It turns out that "old" rings were

installed in the replaced cylinder on the failed left engine.  We

will be pulling the replaced cylinders on the right engine to

look at those rings.  I will keep you guys informed as we learn

more.



Randy Dettmer, AIA

680F/N6253X



DettmerArchitecture

663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA  93405

805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865

www.dettmerarchitecture.com



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tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.n
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: 500B

Randy,Just a short question.  I was taught when in a single engine approach, I was to hold putting the landing gear down until I had the landing made.  When did you put your landing gear down?



Tylor Hall



On Mar 5, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Randy Dettmer, AIA wrote:

[quote]

Thanks Gil for the input.  We have definitely considered that possibility.  It’s still on the table for discussion.  The fact that “both” engines experienced similar symptoms at the same time, after having cylinders replaced sure raises some eyebrows.

 

RD

 

DettmerArchitecture

663 Hill Street, San Luis Obispo, CA  93405

805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865

www.dettmerarchitecture.com

 

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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:42 am Post subject: 500B

Hello everyone!

 I am in need of the "Altitude hold" rocker switch for a Century III autopilot head.

 This is the fourth one to the right.

 Any help is sure appreciated!

 N69PT

  

 Donnie Rose 

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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: 500B

Donnie Rose 

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From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 11:41:59 AM

Subject: 500B



  

 Hello everyone!

 I am in need of the "Altitude hold" rocker switch for a Century III autopilot head.

 This is the fourth one to the right.

 Any help is sure appreciated!

 N69PT

  

 Donnie Rose 

205/492-8444

  

 

  Don't pick lemons.

See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.





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Skyhawkc-172

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 84

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: 500B

This brazilian kid is definately wanting a Commander ride!

  

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ5wswrEUp4

  

 please encourage him by rating his videos...he may well be the next Commander Owner, 22 years old and already a Commander fanatic...: )

  

 Brent - N224HA

  

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 Donnie Rose 

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From: Donnie Rose <aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com>

To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2007 11:41:59 AM

Subject: 500B



   

 Hello everyone!

 I am in need of the "Altitude hold" rocker switch for a Century III autopilot head.

 This is the fourth one to the right.

 Any help is sure appreciated!

 N69PT

  

 Donnie Rose 

205/492-8444

  

  

  Don't pick lemons.

See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.





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Jim Addington

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 62
Location: Denton, Texas

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:35 am Post subject: 500B

I tried to join so I could send a response but for  some reason it kept sending me in circles, will try again when I have more time.  That was a heck of a video, even the indicators worked and wound down when  landing.

 Thanks 

 Jim Addington

 N444BD

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kamala(at)MSN.COM
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:04 pm Post subject: 500B

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  DR, CALL CENTURY FLIGHT SYSTEMS IN MINERAL WELLS TEXAS. MASON

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aquadiver99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:42 am Post subject: 500B

Thanks maestro Mason! 

 

 

 Donnie Rose 

205/492-8444

  

 



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