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R. Hankins

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 185
Location: Grants Pass, Oregon

Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?

George:

Here are some quick shots of my setup.  I'll be using it to fly 356 air miles to the Rock House this Wednesday to meet up with John H, John W, and Larry and Karen Cottrell.

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1992 KXP 503 - N1782C

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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

Rodger NICE idea... 

 

  And Its a good thing your Main tank is elevated

  Them bullet holes up the side could have messed up Christmas hahahaha 

  Thanks for the pix..

  

 

  mark

 

 

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Steven Green

Joined: 05 Feb 2006
Posts: 118

Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

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		     Before I built the 20 gal. aluminum tank for my    Mark 3, this is what I used.  It is a boat tank with the clunk/filter    hose extended to reach the bottom of the tank when standing on end.  The    fuel pump is a faucet.  I used it to transfer fuel in flight.  It    strapped into the passenger seat.  I made a fitting that screwed into the    3/4" pipe thread in the cap of the plastic 5 gallon tanks.  This fitting    also provided a vent for the tank that I was pumping into.

    

   Steven Green

   Mark 3 912

    

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Steven Green

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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

Hi Steve...  

  

    VERY NICE ! Thats exactly what I want to make..

    BTW I like the way Rodger Velcros his pump to his can...

    

  

    Did you install a in line switch to power the pump or

    is it just plug and play?

    

  

    How long did it take the faucet pump to transfer the 5 Gallons ??

    

  

    Thanks 

    

  

    Mark

  

  

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Steven Green

Joined: 05 Feb 2006
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

Mark,

  

 I never timed the transfer but the pump is rated at  30 GPH so 5 gallons should take about 10 minutes.  If you're close to East  Tennessee, $35 will get this one.  I no longer need it.  If I remember  correctly I used Adel clamps to mount the pump to the handle of the  tank.

  

 Steven

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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

Hi Steve Sorry I'm a bit too far North to take ya up on your offer...... Boston.

George Myers

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 76
Location: San Marcos, Texas

Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

Thanks, great pics of good ideas.



George Myers

San Marcos Tx

1984 Twinstar 582 - N2606T

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Steven Green

Joined: 05 Feb 2006
Posts: 118

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 1:13 am Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

The tank is from Walmart, the fuel pump I bought  from Aircraft Spruce.

  

 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php

  

  

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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:07 am Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

Steve THANKS! 

 

  BTW does the pump orientation matter for it to work??

  Mounting holes Vertical or Horizontal ???

  

 

  I was thinking of bolting it to a piece of Delrin

  then I could Velcro it to the side of a fuel can....  

  An easy in and out set up...

  

 

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JetPilot

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?

Mark, 



I'm glad to see that you are going with a well tested, safe pump.  The Facet pump will work in any orientation.  The fact that you can buy the facet pump from Lockwood, Aircraft Spruce, and CPS should have clued most of the guys in that were giving you bad advice.



Some of these guys are pretty quick to hand out bad advice...  Talk is cheap, but I wonder how many of them would actually be foolish enough to drop in a cheap Ebay pump into a plastic tank not designed for it in flight ?  Maybe a couple here want to be there for their own barbecue, but from what I read, most people will jump out of a burning airplane, parachute or not, before they will be burned alive.



Mike

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Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S

knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

HI Mike 

 

  I can't say with any certainty that their advice was bad as I haven't used or tested

  what they said... My experiences has taught me their is always more than one way 

  to pluck a goose... I prefer WAX, Some Boil...  All get er done....

  

 

    I can say that In my 25 years of flying I've learned its what I DONT know I don't know 

  that can bite..... None of us know it all so brainstorming ideas in my mind is always a 

  good thing and That's the beauty of these types of on line Campfires.... Sharing ideas..

  

 

  Even with a proven method I'll test it to MY satisfaction before I rely on it..

  Not to say I don't trust others ideas but the OTHERS didn't build mine and it's my butt 

  thats on the fence....

  

 

  Regarding the in flight fire an Jumping...... Not me I'd spit alot and find a lake. hahahahaha 

  

 

  One  good thing about what I''ll be flying is the Flames should they occur,  Will be behind me 

  so the spitting will be more effective...  HAHAHA

  

 

  Thanks again for all the good ideas...  Time to create a parts List....

  

 

  

 

  

 

  Experiment,  the Wrights didn't have a pilots licence either..

  

 

  Mark

  

 

  

 

 

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firestar503(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

Hi Kolbers,



I know I'm late the party on transfer pumps but

perhaps my experience will help someone.



My system is mounted in a FirestarII where the

second seat belongs.  It consists of an aluminum

box that holds two of the Kolb standard five

gallon tanks and a Facet pump.  The tanks have

top mounted pickup tubes.  One tank in the box

has the pickup tube modified into a "tee" so the

line coming from the the original Kolb five

gallon in the rear cage passes through the Facet

pump, into one side of the "tee'd" pickup in the

first tank and on to the standard pickup tube in

the second tank.  Between the Kolb cage tank and

the Facet pump is a quick disconnedt and between

the Tee and the second tank in the box is a

second quick disconnect.  There is a third quick

disconnect on the electrical connection to the

Facet pump.  The pump switch is mounted under the

pilot seat and is spring loaded.  The box is a

nice complete unit that can be quick-disconnected

and lifted out as a unit and the back seat can be

functional in about five minutes.  The fuel quick

connects allow fuel operation with 5, 10 or 15

gallons depending on how far you are flying. 

With a fuel gage in the original Kolb tank, it is

fun to watch the qage go "up" during flight.



Jon L.

Minnesota

R. Hankins

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 185
Location: Grants Pass, Oregon

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: Re: Tansfer pump Ideas?

 	  knowvne(at)aol.com wrote: 	
		  Rodger NICE idea... 

 

  And Its a good thing your Main tank is elevated

  Them bullet holes up the side could have messed up Christmas hahahaha 

  Thanks for the pix..

  

 

  mark

 

 

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Mark,

The main tank is sitting on the boom tube.  It is an 8 gallon tank out of a Sky Ranger kit.  They are under $30 and VERY sturdy.  They are 1/2" fatter on the square than the standard tank and quite a bit taller.  I had to move the 1/4" crossmember that holds the forward side of the tank to fit it in, but it was worth it for the extra few gallons.  As for the bullet holes... You should have seen the other guy .



I'm all packed up, fueled up and headed to the Rock House in the morning.  Even with twelve gallons usable, the last leg is a little iffy if the wind kicks up.  Maybe I'll hang some bullet shaped tanks off of the struts for next year.

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1992 KXP 503 - N1782C

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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

Thanks Jon... 

 

  If you happen to have any Pix of your set up I 

  would love to compare them to what other have posted...

  

 

  Mark

 

 

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knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

WHEN YOU GET LOW ON FUEL JUST LEAN FORWARD HAHAHA  

 

  WORKED IN A HANGGLIDER 

  

 

  GOOD LUCK

  

 

  MARK

 

 

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 2:05 am Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

these types of on line Campfires.... Sharing  ideas..>>

  

 on my Xtra the engine , Jabiru, pulls fuel equally  from 2 tanks connected by a tee piece.  Any reason why I can`t put a spare  tank on the passengers seat and just add a quick connect into the same fuel  line?

  

 Cheers

  

 Pat

 



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knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:03 am Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

Hi Pat Is yours a Gravity feed?

  

 

  Given the pick up in the portable tank will not be affixed to the tank 

  at any one point I would fear it might possibly suck air ...

  

 

  I think I'd prefer the transfer method.. 

  

 

  I was considering a flexible tube that was weighted and screened ..

  

 

  Think RC type of tank here..

  

 

  Mark

 

 

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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:04 am Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

At 05:59 AM 5/21/2008, pj.ladd wrote:



  	  Quote: 	
		  on my Xtra the engine , Jabiru, pulls fuel equally from 2 tanks connected by a tee piece.  Any reason why I can`t put a spare tank on the passengers seat and just add a quick connect into the same fuel line? 	


 Same here (two tee'd tanks on my US).  I just added a third tank but I didn't run it into the same line as I didn't want it sucking air when the aux tank ran dry; instead I ran it into the top of one of the main tanks with a rubber grommet and push-in fitting (and yes, a quick disconnect in the line so I can remove the aux tank).



 -Dana

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Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

HYPERLINK "mailto:knowvne(at)aol.com" knowvne(at)aol.com asked:  << BTW does

the pump orientation matter for it to work?? Mounting holes Vertical or

Horizontal ??? >>



Mark -



The instructions that come with the Facet fuel pump tell you that the

ideal installation is for the pump to be level with the bottom of your

fuel tank, and oriented with its axis of fuel flow at a 45 degree angle.



Of course, you'll see many variations of fuel pump installation that

still work, like on Steven Green's setup for his auxiliary transfer

tank.



Dennis Kirby

Mark-3, New Mexico

knowvne(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:12 pm Post subject: Tansfer pump Ideas?

Thanks for the heads up  Dennis. 

 

  I haven't started the parts list yet so any and all info is appreciated...

  

 

  I have ideas floating around in the Grey matter and on paper..

  but thats as far as i've gone so far...

  

 

  I may hard wire a female plug to the battery terminals and install a

  In line switch for power... but again that just one idea.. The goal is

  a KISS approach.... I want an easy in and out and reliable set up...

  

 

  Mark

 

 

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