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Thom Riddle
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Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)
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 Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Looking to buy |
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Ray,
In the LSA AIRPLANE arena after the expiration date of Jan 31, 2010, those ELSA and Exp A/B aircraft that are currently allowed to be used for training, will no longer be allowed to do so. The regular (non-training) ELSAs will still be allowed to be used for personal use including carrying passengers. There is no expiration date for these non-training ELSA airplanes. It is my understanding that those ELSAs that are currently approved for training via their current temporary training airworthiness certificate (I have a friend with a Sky Ranger with this temporary A/W certificate) will have to have this certificate replaced with a regular ELSA A/W certificate like the vast majority of us have. If he doesn't exchange the temporary training a/w certificate for a regular one, then that airplane is illegal to fly at all after the Jan 31, 2010 date, period.
After this expiration date, only type certificated airplanes (Cubs, T-craft, etc) and SLSA airplanes will be allowed to be used as trainers or for renting. The LODA rules are complex and based on my research, will not be granted for general Sport Pilot training in ELSA airplanes because there are alternatives available.
I hope this helps clarify the situation.
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John T. Schmidt
Joined: 30 Sep 2008
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Location: SC
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Looking to buy |
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Ray: Greetings get back to me please on my private e-mail as listed and I will speak to your questions and clarify your concerns with accuracy. Thanks.
Sincerely,
John T. Schmidt, CFI
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: Looking to buy |
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Ray, John is right and he is wrong. After January 31st 2010 you cannot use an E-LSA for training for hire. Since the advent of the LODA you can get one if you want to use your E-AB for transition training, BUT your aircraft must have some special feature that makes the aircraft different enough from standard training aircraft that a standard aircraft cannot be used for the purpose. As an example, canard aircraft have different enough characteristics that a 172 won't teach you about their special requirements. This is driven as much by insurance companies as anything. At the end of your transition training you won't receive an endorsement on your license, but you will be able to tell XYZ Insurance Co. that you have logged 10 hours (say) dual instruction and you have satisfied XYZ's requirements. You can't make transition from being a non pilot to being a pilot as you can with your E-LSA until the cut off date. As for the FAA requirements for the LODA, you can read about it in Notice 8700-49 or 8900-15. They both say the same thing, both are expired, but still in use by your local FSDO. The LODA is applied for by the instructor who creates the transition training curriculum.
You can be trained in your own aircraft since you won't be getting compensation from yourself.
An instructor can train you to fly in his airplane if he takes no compensation for the privilege.
It is not the Experimental certificate granted to the E-LSA that will be changed in 2010 it is the operating limitations.
Rick
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:31 PM, John T. Schmidt <adlerflug1(at)yahoo.com (adlerflug1(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:
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Ray: Greetings get back to me please on my private e-mail as listed and I will speak to your questions and clarify your concerns with accuracy. Thanks.
Sincerely,
John T. Schmidt, CFI
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: Looking to buy |
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Opps, that s/b Thom is right and he is wrong. I apologize for sloppy proof reading.
Rick
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]Ray, John is right and he is wrong. After January 31st 2010 you cannot use an E-LSA for training for hire. Since the advent of the LODA you can get one if you want to use your E-AB for transition training, BUT your aircraft must have some special feature that makes the aircraft different enough from standard training aircraft that a standard aircraft cannot be used for the purpose. As an example, canard aircraft have different enough characteristics that a 172 won't teach you about their special requirements. This is driven as much by insurance companies as anything. At the end of your transition training you won't receive an endorsement on your license, but you will be able to tell XYZ Insurance Co. that you have logged 10 hours (say) dual instruction and you have satisfied XYZ's requirements. You can't make transition from being a non pilot to being a pilot as you can with your E-LSA until the cut off date. As for the FAA requirements for the LODA, you can read about it in Notice 8700-49 or 8900-15. They both say the same thing, both are expired, but still in use by your local FSDO. The LODA is applied for by the instructor who creates the transition training curriculum.
You can be trained in your own aircraft since you won't be getting compensation from yourself.
An instructor can train you to fly in his airplane if he takes no compensation for the privilege.
It is not the Experimental certificate granted to the E-LSA that will be changed in 2010 it is the operating limitations.
Rick
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Ray: Greetings get back to me please on my private e-mail as listed and I will speak to your questions and clarify your concerns with accuracy. Thanks.
Sincerely,
John T. Schmidt, CFI
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icrashrc
Joined: 16 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Looking to buy |
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Or you could inform us all on the list. That way we all know!
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