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David Lucas

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 79
Location: Europe. based Amsterdam NL

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:03 am Post subject: Re: Tire Balance

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		  Ps. the tyres spelling was for pat's benefit. For the rest of us replace tyre with tire. 	




The Irish playwright George Bernard Shaw commented that England and America are two countries separated by a common language. -- But, according to the story below you're going to have to make further allowances in the future (my spell checker certainly went crazy when I pasted it in) 



Sorry for the slight digression Kolbers. I'll put 'Do Not Archive' at the end and return to 'lurking' mode.



David.

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Five year phase-in plan for "EuroEnglish"



The  European  Commission  have  just  announced  an agreement  whereby English will be the official language  of the EU, rather  than German, which was  the  other  possibility. As part of  the  negotiations,  Her  Majesty's government  conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five year phase in plan that would be known as "EuroEnglish".



In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this  will make the sivil servants jump for joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of  the "k". This should  klear up  konfusion and keyboards kan have  1 less letter.



There will be growing publik  enthusiasm  in the sekond year, when  the toublesome  "ph" will  be replaced with the "f". This will make  words like fotograf" 20% shorter.



In  the  third  year, publik  akseptanse  of  the new spelling  kan  be"expekted to  reach the stage  where more  komplikated changes  are possible. Governments will enkorage  the  removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent "e"s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away.



By the 4th year, peopl wil be reseptiv  to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v".



During  ze  fifz  year,  ze  unesesary  "o"  kan be  dropd  from  vords kontaining  "ou"   and  similar  changes  vud  of  kors  be  aplid  to  ozer kombinations of leters.  After  zis fifz year,  ve  vil hav a  realy sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be  no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil  find it ezi to understand each ozer



ZE DREAM VIL FINALI KUM TRU!



DO NOT ARCHIVE ! ! !

pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:09 am Post subject: Tire Balance

in the UK is there another word for "exhausted", just to avoid

confusion?

e.g, 'my rudder's black from being exhausted'>>



Hi Russ,



very good. I had a chuckle over that.

I am afraid it is just the American habit of treating nouns as if they were 

verbs. eg `hospitalised`, burglarised etc although I could never see what 

was wrong with `robbed`.

Are children `classroomised`? I know they are `mentored`. Never `taught`. 

Aint it fun?



The one which always raises my hackles is using `like` instead of `as if`` 

although even that seems now to have been superseded by using `like` as some 

sort of all encompassing word which can mean anything, as in `I was like 

driving` or ` I was like listening to my iPod` "Words mean what I want them 

to mean" said the Red Queen (I think).



Vive le difference.  Which reminds me that the French have a TV film going 

at the moment extolling the benefits of living in France. It shows 

marvellous countryside and a happy healthy family enjoying life. 

Unfortunately the film was made in America using stock footage.



Cheers



Pat

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:26 am Post subject: Tire Balance

Hi Folks:



Seem to be getting a little distant from the intent of the Kolb Aircraft 

Builders and Flyers List.



john h

mkIII

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Kirkds

Joined: 07 Apr 2009
Posts: 52
Location: Michigan

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Tire Balance

I've been thinking of using seafoam to balance mine. Anybody ever used seafoam?

Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:47 am Post subject: Tire Balance

<< … You accelerate for about 20 seconds up to 40/50 mph and then fly. You are beating your brains out for that?  Cheers Pat >>  

   

Hi, Pat –  

   

Yes, but my severely out-of-balance tires are beating up my airplane, 20 seconds at a time.  I fear that, eventually, something on my instrument panel is likely gonna give, it shakes so much on takeoff.  

   

That’s the beauty of this List: one poses a question, ponders the many responses, and then pick a desired course of corrective action.  Or not.  Kinda like trolling (fishing) – you can keep the ones you want, and throw the ugly ones back in the lake!  

   

And (I’ve whined about this fact before), I say again – you guys that fly off grass runways have my absolute envy!  Here in central New Mexico, if the runways are not paved, they are either dirt or gravel.  In the 7 years I’ve been flying my Mark-3, I have yet to land on a grass runway.  Waahh!  

   

Dennis Kirby  

Mark-III, 912ul  

Sandia Park, NM  

   

   

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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:32 am Post subject: Tire Balance

After a couple of velvet soft grass touchdowns you'll never want to go back.  Cow pies are optional.As someone mentioned, those bargain retreads are heavy and would only increase the chances of imbalance.

My MkIII still has the original flimsy, lightweight tires and, amazingly, have no evidence of cracks or age.

The advantage of a skimpy tire is that with only a layer of kleenex saturated with rubber, the imbalance will be slight.

BB



On 4, Dec 2009, at 11:30 AM, Kirby, Dennis Civ USAF AFMC AFNWC/EN wrote:

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		  << … You accelerate for about 20 seconds up to 40/50 mph and then fly. You are beating your brains out for that?  Cheers Pat >>

 

Hi, Pat –

 

Yes, but my severely out-of-balance tires are beating up my airplane, 20 seconds at a time.  I fear that, eventually, something on my instrument panel is likely gonna give, it shakes so much on takeoff.

 

That’s the beauty of this List: one poses a question, ponders the many responses, and then pick a desired course of corrective action.  Or not.  Kinda like trolling (fishing) – you can keep the ones you want, and throw the ugly ones back in the lake!

 

And (I’ve whined about this fact before), I say again – you guys that fly off grass runways have my absolute envy!  Here in central New Mexico, if the runways are not paved, they are either dirt or gravel.  In the 7 years I’ve been flying my Mark-3, I have yet to land on a grass runway.  Waahh!

 

Dennis Kirby

Mark-III, 912ul

Sandia Park, NM

 

 



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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:21 am Post subject: Tire Balance

Yes, we must return to normalcy. :-)Pat, I fly off grass and the tire shake after lift off is annoying. Hitting the brakes stops it, but the lousy mechanical heel brakes usually mean some sort of excursion when I use them. I think a variation on the prop balancer in the last issue of Sport Pilot might be just the ticket.

 



Rick Girard



On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:22 AM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:

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 Hi Folks:

 

 Seem to be getting a little distant from the intent of the Kolb Aircraft Builders and Flyers List.

 

 john h

 mkIII

 

 

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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1490
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:27 am Post subject: Tire Balance

What's wrong with dirt?, as long as it doesn't have Sage  brush in it. 

  

 Larry C, 2800 foot dirt and rock runway, occasional  sage

  

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject: Tire Balance

Aviation tires eliminate the out of balance, out of  round tire problem.

  

 I like that course of action over rasping tires,  and hanging exotic stuff on them.

  

 If one uses aviation tires, still has a an out of  round, out of balance problem, then it is probably an out of round UL wheel,  bearing, or cheap brake problem.

  

 KISS

  

 john h

 mkIII

 [quote]    I think a variation on the prop balancer    in the last issue of Sport Pilot might be just the ticket.

   



   Rick Girard

 

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:00 pm Post subject: Tire Balance

I love Larry C's dirt/gravel strip, especially  after flying a near 200 mile leg in hurricane winds, then finding the same winds  at the Rock House on arrival.  I didn't take the 2,800 foot strip, but the  much shorter cross wind strip because the wind was howling right down the center  line of it.  With that much head wind, didn't need much more than a few  feet to land.

  

 I think that clip is on Utube.  I found  it.  Pay attention to sound of the wind in the mic, especially at the very  end of the clip, and the amount of power I am using to get the airplane on  the ground.  Also notice how fast the dust from my wheels and prop wash  moves out of the area.  

  

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMYsdarPcnY&feature=channel_page

  

 john h

 mkIII

  

  

  

  

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   What's wrong with dirt?, as long as it doesn't have Sage    brush in it. 

    

   Larry C, 2800 foot dirt and rock runway, occasional    sage

    

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:47 am Post subject: Tire Balance

I fly off grass and the tire shake after lift off  is annoying>>

  

 I am too busy wondering if the engine will stop,  the rudder horns fall off, the propeller disintegrate, shall I clear the trees,   or that cow, to work up a sweat over 10 seconds of tire (tyre)  shake.

  

 Cheers

  

 Pat

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:48 am Post subject: Tire Balance

severely out-of-balance tires are beating up  my airplane, 20 seconds at a time.>>

  

 Hi Dennis,

 fly more, land and take off less.

  

 Cheers

  

 Pat

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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:05 am Post subject: Tire Balance

Pat, Yes, I'm spoiled. 2500' is a lot of grass for a Kolb. 18KS on Airnav.



Rick



On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 8:42 AM, pj.ladd <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com (pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:

 [quote]       I fly off grass and the tire shake after lift off  is annoying>>

  

 I am too busy wondering if the engine will stop,  the rudder horns fall off, the propeller disintegrate, shall I clear the trees,   or that cow, to work up a sweat over 10 seconds of tire (tyre)  shake.

  

 Cheers

  

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racerjerry

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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Tire Balance

Try to just achieve STATIC wheel balance.   You can apply weight at the light point anywhere on the wheel, whether it is on the inside surface (but need brake clearance), outside surface or fabricate steel plate and attach to a wheel thru-bolt (or two).  By static balancing only, you can easily do it yourself and can probably get close enough by just hanging the wheel loosely on the axle and letting it rotate to the heavy point - no wheel balancer required.



Another possibility, if the tire is way out of balance is to mark the light spot as above and have a tire shop vulcanize one or two hot patches inside the tire to lessen the amount of wheel weights required.



Static balancing is the accepted method used on most certified light aircraft.

Roger Lee

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:23 am Post subject: Re: Tire Balance

If you get the newer LSA tires they now come with a mark on them to line up the tube stem. If they aren't lined up it will shake the whole airframe terribly. Many wheels have marks that also need to be in align with the stem and tire mark. Matco wheels have marks for alignment and Matco wheel halves can not be interchanged because it is a balanced set. If you need a static balance a motorcycle wheel balancer (inexpensive) from Marc Parnes works very well. This balancer also works for the static balance on props. 



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