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JAMESBEARD305(at)msn.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject: 447 problem

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Billet: a short bar of iron or steel--- Webster.  Had to look it up  myself!

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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject: 447 problem

At 01:01 PM 8/14/2009, Blumax008(at)aol.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  ...by the way, what the hell is a billet?...


	


Others have posted on the what, but not the why.  Yes, billet is bar stock, 

so the part is machined rather than being cast to the final (or nearly 

final) shape.  Parts machined from billet are [usually] stronger and more 

accurate than an equivalent cast part.  Also, many cast parts aren't the 

same material; many casting alloys are inferior to the bar stock.  Compare 

cast iron to high strength steel, or aluminum or zinc (commonly called "pot 

metal").



-Dana

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  When you were born, you cried and the world rejoiced...

Live your life so that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice.

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lucien

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 721
Location: santa fe, NM

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:19 am Post subject: Re: 447 problem

 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
		  

No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not relative when it 

comes to operating an engine.  If you want to impress the Kolb List with 

your experience, then you need to express it in hours, not years.



I have no desire to verify your experience, but it would help if you express 

it so we can understand it.



john h

mkIII 	




All, 



I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information here and good folks to ignore it. 



John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I'd suggest being adult about it and take them to PM with me when you feel that urge. You're noone I need to impress and I won't respond to your commentary to that effect on the list.



Plus, to make this Kolb related, I'm still kicking the idea of a Firefly around as a second plane.  But it appears Rotax has quit making the 447, even tho the distributors are still listing them Rotax themselves don't post it as an engine they sell anymore.



Anyone know the scoop on this?



Thanks,

LS

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Titan II SS

Last edited by lucien on Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:59 am; edited 1 time in total

mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:42 am Post subject: 447 problem

> I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information here and good folks to ignore it. 

 	  Quote: 	
		   Lucien

  
	


 Lucien C

  

   Glad to see you're back.  Now C don't piss me off.  hehehe  : )

  

   Happy New Year!!!!

  

   BTW C can't help much with your 447 question.  I'm one of the non-Rotax heretics.

  

 Mike Welch

MkIII CX

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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:49 am Post subject: 447 problem

Lucien, like a moth returning to the flame?  

Jack Hart is your source for FF opinions.  -at least I would consider him so.

Also, like him, I don't think the FF really needs all the power that the 447 has.  Getting over the trees is good enuf.

I would contemplate one of them too if regulations for experimentals suddenly became too onerous.

BB

On 30, Dec 2009, at 11:19 AM, lucien wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 John Hauck wrote:

> 

> No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not relative when it 

> comes to operating an engine.  If you want to impress the Kolb List with 

> your experience, then you need to express it in hours, not years.

> 

> I have no desire to verify your experience, but it would help if you express 

> it so we can understand it.

> 

> john h

> mkIII

 All, 

 I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information here and good folks to ignore it. 

 John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I'd suggest being adult about it and take them to PM with me. I won't respond to the comments anymore on the list.

 Plus, to make this Kolb related, I'm still kicking the idea of a Firefly around as a second plane.  But it appears Rotax has quit making the 447, even tho the distributors are still listing them Rotax themselves don't post it as an engine they sell anymore.

 Anyone know the scoop on this?

 Thanks,

 LS

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 LS

 Titan II SS

 Read this topic online here:

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 79227#279227

lucien

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 721
Location: santa fe, NM

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:53 am Post subject: Re: 447 problem

[quote="mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co"]>ï¿½I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information here and good folks to ignore it. 

 	  Quote: 	
		   Lucien

 ï¿½

	


 Lucien C

 ï¿½

 ï¿½ Glad to see you're back.ï¿½ Now C don't piss me off.ï¿½ heheheï¿½ : )

 ï¿½

 ï¿½ Happy New Year!!!!

 ï¿½

 ï¿½ BTW C can't help much with your 447 question.ï¿½ I'm one of the non-Rotax heretics.

 ï¿½

 Mike Welch

MkIII CX

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		  [b] 	




Hey Mike,



Ok, was just wondering if anyone knew offhand. no biggie as I need to order parts for the upcoming annual on my plane from lockwood and titan so I'll ask at that time.



Last I spoke to lockwood, they said Rotax intended to support any of the engines they may discontinue for 10 years. But if the 447 is out of production, I guess I'd have to make a decision fairly quickly and snap one up before they disappear. 



I want a 103 plane and the Firefly looks like it's about at the top of the heap. The other choice is my beloved fun racer trike, but it has some drawbacks the Kolb doesn't have....



LS

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lucien

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 721
Location: santa fe, NM

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:58 am Post subject: Re: 447 problem

[quote="slyck(at)frontiernet.net"]Lucien, like a moth returning to the flame?  



Jack Hart is your source for FF opinions.  -at least I would consider him so.

Also, like him, I don't think the FF really needs all the power that the 447 has.  Getting over the trees is good enuf.

I would contemplate one of them too if regulations for experimentals suddenly became too onerous.

BB



On 30, Dec 2009, at 11:19 AM, lucien wrote:



[quote] 

 

Ok, sounds good. I live at a high altitude where every engine becomes the model under it in terms of power (i.e. a 503 is about a 447, my 912uls is about a 912ul, etc). My 503 powered FSII managed about 300 fpm here before I sold it.



I want to go 103 if I get another plane, I already pay too much in insurance and annuals on the big one. Can't think of a better option than the firefly overall, so that's what I'm looking at.



LS

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herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:09 am Post subject: 447 problem

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: 447 problem

> John Hauck wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  >

> No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not relative when 

> it

> comes to operating an engine.  If you want to impress the Kolb List with

> your experience, then you need to express it in hours, not years.

>

> I have no desire to verify your experience, but it would help if you 

> express

> it so we can understand it.

>

> john h

> mkIII

 All,



 I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information here 

 and good folks to ignore it.



 John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I'd suggest 

 being adult about it and take them to PM with me. I won't respond to the 

 comments anymore on the list.

 >
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   Thanks,

 LS


	




Lucien/Gang:



Welcome back to the Kolb List.



Was the above really necessary?



john h

mkIII

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Titus, Alabama

lucien

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 721
Location: santa fe, NM

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:21 am Post subject: Re: 447 problem

 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
		  

Lucien/Gang:



Welcome back to the Kolb List.



Was the above really necessary?



john h

mkIII 	




Good to be back. 

Yes, the clarification was necessary. I will only accept PM's if you need to discuss it further. I won't respond on the list about that subject. I'm confining my comments here only to Kolb/Kolb engine related material.



LS

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capedavis(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:42 pm Post subject: 447 problem

John /list please excuse my ignorance but what does PM mean?

 

Chris Davis

KXP 503 492 hrs

Glider Pilot

Disabled from crash building Firefly 



 

   From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 12:34:26 PM

Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 447 problem



--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>



 	  Quote: 	
		   John Hauck wrote:

> 

> No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not relative when it

> comes to operating an engine.  If you want to impress the Kolb List with

> your experience, then you need to express it in hours, not years.

> 

> I have no desire to verify your experience, but it would help if you express

> it so we can understand  it.

> 

> john h

> mkIII

 

 

 All,

 

 I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information here and good folks to ignore it.

 

 John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I'd suggest being adult about it and take them to PM with me. I won't respond to the comments anymore on the list.



 Thanks,

 LS


	




Lucien/Gang:



Welcome back to the Kolb List.



Was the above reallnbsp; * AeroElectric www.buildersbookres ============



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russkinne(at)mac.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject: 447 problem

ChrisI was in the same boat! -- been told it's "Private Message"

Russ



On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:33 PM, chris davis wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

John /list please excuse my ignorance but what does PM mean?

 

Chris Davis

KXP 503 492 hrs

Glider Pilot

Disabled from crash building Firefly

From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)

Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 12:34:26 PM

Subject: Re: Re: 447 problem



--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>



 	  Quote: 	
		   John Hauck wrote:

> 

> No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not relative when it

> comes to operating an engine.  If you want to impress the Kolb List with

> your experience, then you need to express it in hours, not years.

> 

> I have no desire to verify your experience, but it would help if you express

> it so we can understand it.

> 

> john h

> mkIII

 

 

 All,

 

 I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information here and good folks to ignore it.

 

 John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I'd suggest being adult about it and take them to PM with me. I won't respond to the comments anymore on the list.



 Thanks,

 LS


	




Lucien/Gang:



Welcome back to the Kolb List.



Was the above reallnbsp; * AeroElectric [/url]www.buildersbookres ============





[url=http://www.buildersbooks.com/]

[/url]



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href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com

href="http://www.howtocrimp.com">www.howtocrimp.com

href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

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href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com

capedavis(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:24 pm Post subject: 447 problem

Russ , thank you I thought it might be some aircraft or pilot lingo I was ignoant of!

 

Chris Davis

KXP 503 492 hrs

Glider Pilot

Disabled from crash building Firefly 



 

   From: russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com>

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 6:30:45 PM

Subject: Re: Re: 447 problem



Chris I was in the same boat! -- been told it's "Private Message"

 Russ

 

  On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:33 PM, chris davis wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		    

 John /list please excuse my ignorance but what does PM mean?

 

Chris Davis

KXP 503 492 hrs

Glider Pilot

Disabled from crash building Firefly 



 

   From: John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)

Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 12:34:26 PM

Subject: Re: Re: 447 problem



--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>



 	  Quote: 	
		   John  Hauck wrote:

> 

> No one is questioning your experience, but 10 years is not relative when it

> comes to operating an engine.  If you want to impress the Kolb List with

> your experience, then you need to express it in hours, not years.

> 

> I have no desire to verify your experience, but it would help if you express

> it so we can understand it.

> 

> john h

> mkIII

 

 

 All,

 

 I've resumed monitoring the list as there's too much good information here and good folks to ignore it.

 

  John H., whatever problems you have with me and my experience, I'd suggest being adult about it and take them to PM with me. I won't respond to the comments anymore on the list.



 Thanks,

 LS


	




Lucien/Gang:



Welcome back to the Kolb List.



Was the above reallnbsp; * AeroElectric [/url]www.buildersbookres ============





[url=http://www.buildersbooks.com/]

[/url]



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href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com

href="http://www.howtocrimp.com">www.howtocrimp.com

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whiskeyvictor36(at)aol.co
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:14 pm Post subject: 447 problem

In a message dated 12/30/2009 5:56:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  capedavis(at)yahoo.com writes:

   	  Quote: 	
		     please excuse my ignorance but what does PM mean?

    

    

   Chris/others

   Just being silly because there's not much going    on:

    

   PM  P.M.  p.m. = post meridiem.     Afternoon.  Used to designate the time between noon and    midnight.

    

   No recent flying of my FireStar because of the cold    temps. and deep snow, etc.

    

   Bill Varnes

   Do not archive

   



	


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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: 447 problem

Male version of PMS, which some of our members exhibit on occasion.

On 30, Dec 2009, at 9:12 PM, whiskeyvictor36(at)aol.com (whiskeyvictor36(at)aol.com) wrote:

[quote]  In a message dated 12/30/2009 5:56:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  capedavis(at)yahoo.com (capedavis(at)yahoo.com) writes:

   	  Quote: 	
		     please excuse my ignorance but what does PM mean?

    

    

   Chris/others

   Just being silly because there's not much going    on:

    

   PM  P.M.  p.m. = post meridiem.     Afternoon.  Used to designate the time between noon and    midnight.

    

   No recent flying of my FireStar because of the cold    temps. and deep snow, etc.

    

   Bill Varnes

   Do not archive

   



	


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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject: 447 problem

The way the discussion was going I just thought they omitted the S.



Rick



On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:12 PM,  <whiskeyvictor36(at)aol.com (whiskeyvictor36(at)aol.com)> wrote:

 [quote]     In a message dated 12/30/2009 5:56:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  capedavis(at)yahoo.com (capedavis(at)yahoo.com) writes:

 

  	  Quote: 	
		     please excuse my ignorance but what does PM mean?

    

    

   

Chris/others

   Just being silly because there's not much going    on:

    

   PM  P.M.  p.m. = post meridiem.     Afternoon.  Used to designate the time between noon and    midnight.

    

   No recent flying of my FireStar because of the cold    temps. and deep snow, etc.

    

   Bill Varnes

   Do not archive

   



	


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