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Alfred Buess
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 Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:29 am Post subject: AW: Re: Intercom Do you need one |
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Hi Remi and list members,
I am also thinking about the best way to organize the transition from the 25
to the 8.33 kHz mode. I have a Garmin SL30 in my panel. The GRT225/GNC255
doesn't fit in the SL30 slot, thus a panel rebuild would be necessary, what
I really don't like. Have you considered adding an ICOM IC A6FR II to the
existing equipment? It is approved by the DGAC and has a JAA-FORM-ONE. I
think I will install it in my Europa in addition to the SL30 to get both,
the 8.33 mode and radio redundancy. A feasible solution?
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Alfred Buess
CH-3700 Spiez, Switzerland
Europa XS HB-YKI, Ercoupe 415-E N94804
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Remi Guerner
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. November 2013 14:25
An: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Betreff: Re: Intercom Do you need one
--> <air.guerner(at)orange.fr>
Hi David,
I am late on that one but I would like to add some comments. I am using a
separate intercom (Flightcom 403) as my radio does not have a built in one .
Now I am thinking at the possible architecture of my future 8.33
installation. It is very tempting to withdraw the intercom, therefore saving
panel space and making the wiring simpler, but I see one big drawback:
controlling the intercom function would be a lot more complicated. I have
reviewed the Pilot Guide and the Install Manual of the Garmin GTR 225 and
GNC 255 radios. There is no dedicated controls for the intercom function on
those units.
With a separate intercom, when you need to adjust the volume or the squelch
of the intercom, you just rotate a dedicated knob, which is intuitive and
very quick. With the GTR225/GNC255 you have to scroll through several pages
of menu , using several multifunction buttons and knobs with a risk of
making a mistake. In fact this is a configuration task, better not do be
done in flight.
BTW switching from the 25 to the 8.33 kHz modes with those new Garmin radios
is also a configuration task, so I am afraid it will not be easy to handle
the transition period, which may last for several years, where both modes
will be used by ATC. May be keeping our old radio for use in the 25kHz mode
and use the new one for the 8.33 mode only?
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL
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Alfred Buess
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:34 am Post subject: AW: Re: Intercom Do you need one |
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Alan,
Your warning is correct. But there is one exception: In France the Icom IC-A6FR II and IC-A24FR II (slightly modified versions of the original Icom units) are approved for use in LSA and amateur built aircraft (agrément N°AGR 12-041 DGAC). These units have therefore a JAA-FORM-ONE. I am not sure if this has any significance for the UK, but maybe the JAA-FORM-ONE is also valid in the UK.
Alfred
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Alfred Buess
CH-3700 Spiez, Switzerland
Europa XS HB-YKI, Ercoupe 415-E N94804
Von: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Alan Burrill
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. November 2013 18:55
An: Europa Forum Forum
Betreff: Re: Re: Intercom Do you need one
For those in the UK beware. Icom currently have this statement on their specification for the IC-A6
NOTICE FOR USE for IC-A6E and IC-A24E VHF
AIRBAND TRANSCEIVERS
These versions of the IC-A6E and IC-A24E comply with
requirements of the European Radio and Telecommunication
Terminal Directive 1999/5/EC and are RTTE and CE approved.
At present, full approval for air use is not attainable for these
products or any other product at this level in the market place.
Therefore, the IC-A6E and IC-A24E are both intended for use in
Europe for ground use only*. Under the Wireless and Telegraphy
Act of 2006 these radios can be used for emergency
communication and navigation (VOR) should your life be at risk.
*Unless an aviation body in an EU member state gives
dispensation for it to be used in the air.
My understanding from sources is there is currently no handheld 8.33kHz capable radio in the UK with an approval for use in an aircraft and boo dispensation has been given.
Sad state of affair but there we have it if some one can prove it wrong then please do!
I have the ATR833 in use and can confirm it is a nice radio and the controls for the Intercom easy to get at with simple three pushes of the select button and then twiddle the knob to change the i/c volume. I find once set on the ground it does not need changing in the air but have found it easy to do anyway.
Alan
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On 6 Nov 2013, at 16:54, John Heykoop <john.heykoop(at)gmail.com (john.heykoop(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
--> Europa-List message posted by: John Heykoop <john.heykoop(at)gmail.com (john.heykoop(at)gmail.com)>
David
I do envy you youngsters. I did not finish building my plane until I was 79 and have now had three great years flying it. The odds of passing my class 2 medical must be worsening all the time, but on the other hand I don't feel any different and might stay fit and well until my nineties. So to hell with the expense, next year I will definitely invest in a 8.25Khz radio.
There are quite a number of Europa pilots who are getting on a bit, and my advice to them would be not to give up prematurely. I reckon the physical and mental effort of flying and maintaining a Europa and the sheer enjoyment it provides are things that help to keep one young. Of course, if you start to develop a medical problem, or if you notice your flying starts to deteriorate, then it would be foolish to continue. But until then, enjoy!
Regards
John
XS Mono G-JHKP
On 6 Nov 2013, at 14:03, "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk)> wrote:
There is also the question for us oldies of pilot 'Sell by Dates'. I ask myself whether I shall still be flying in 2017! My heart says Yes, Of course, but the head might come up with a different answer!
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ (just received my first free TV (And Get AeroElectric http://www.matronics.com/co -Matt Dralle, List - The Europa-List --> http://www.matroni &n=============
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