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My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10.
In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in Africa, where it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the territory.
Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel tank (in the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any aftermarket kit?
Regards
Carlos
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I have seen at least one -10 with two standard tanks per wing.
Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info.
Dave Leikam
On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
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My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10.
In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in Africa, where it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the territory.
Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel tank (in the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any aftermarket kit?
Regards
Carlos
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We have installed an additional half tank outboard of the stock tanks for a total of 90 gallons on a number of planes. The tanks are separate and you transfer into the mains. It's a big job, but it works well.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
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| Quote: | On Nov 6, 2013, at 8:07 PM, David Leikam <arplnplt(at)gmail.com> wrote:
I have seen at least one -10 with two standard tanks per wing.
Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info.
Dave Leikam
> On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
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> My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10.
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> Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel tank (in the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any aftermarket kit?
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:08 pm Post subject: Extra fuel tank |
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I recall some one offered a 7.5 gal tank to go in each wing tip to achieve 75 gal, or 1 extra hour endurance.
Many aircraft have added baggage compartment tanks, either ridgid or bladder, that could be teed into one of the main tanks with a wobble pump or electric pump.
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
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We have installed an additional half tank outboard of the stock tanks for a total of 90 gallons on a number of planes. The tanks are separate and you transfer into the mains. It's a big job, but it works well.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: [url=tel:352-427-0285]352-427-0285[/url]
O: [url=tel:352-465-4545]352-465-4545[/url]
F: [url=tel:815-377-3694]815-377-3694[/url]
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> Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info.
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>> On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:
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>> My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10.
>> In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in Africa, where it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the territory.
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>> Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel tank (in the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any aftermarket kit?
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:51 pm Post subject: Extra fuel tank |
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Safeair1, I think, has the tip tanks.
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 6, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]I recall some one offered a 7.5 gal tank to go in each wing tip to achieve 75 gal, or 1 extra hour endurance.
Many aircraft have added baggage compartment tanks, either ridgid or bladder, that could be teed into one of the main tanks with a wobble pump or electric pump.
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
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We have installed an additional half tank outboard of the stock tanks for a total of 90 gallons on a number of planes. The tanks are separate and you transfer into the mains. It's a big job, but it works well.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: [url=tel:352-427-0285]352-427-0285[/url]
O: [url=tel:352-465-4545]352-465-4545[/url]
F: [url=tel:815-377-3694]815-377-3694[/url]
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> On Nov 6, 2013, at 8:07 PM, David Leikam <arplnplt(at)gmail.com (arplnplt(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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> Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info.
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>> On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:
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>> My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10.
>> In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in Africa, where it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the territory.
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>> Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel tank (in the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any aftermarket kit?
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| Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:26 am Post subject: Extra fuel tank |
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Thank you all for the answers.
Since almost all were about extra tanks in the wings, is anyone out there aware of extra tanks on the baggage compartment?
Builders who done it, or after-market kit?
CarlosĀ
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: quinta-feira, 7 de Novembro de 2013 02:51
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Extra fuel tank
Safeair1, I think, has the tip tanks.
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 6, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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I recall some one offered a 7.5 gal tank to go in each wing tip to achieve 75 gal, or 1 extra hour endurance.
Many aircraft have added baggage compartment tanks, either ridgid or bladder, that could be teed into one of the main tanks with a wobble pump or electric pump.
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>
We have installed an additional half tank outboard of the stock tanks for a total of 90 gallons on a number of planes. The tanks are separate and you transfer into the mains. It's a big job, but it works well.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: [url=tel:352-427-0285]352-427-0285[/url]
O: [url=tel:352-465-4545]352-465-4545[/url]
F: [url=tel:815-377-3694]815-377-3694[/url]
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I have seen at least one -10 with two standard tanks per wing.
Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info.
Dave Leikam
> On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:
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> My partner insists in installing an extra fuel tank in the -10.
> In fact he has a point because he intends to use the airplane in Africa, where it is very difficult to find AvGas in vast extensions of the territory.
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> Does anybody know if any builder has already installed an extra fuel tank (in the baggage compartment or anywhere else), or if there is any aftermarket kit?
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> Regards
> Carlos
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Jim Combs
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| Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:55 am Post subject: Extra fuel tank |
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One Caution.
Putting additional weight out at the tips of the wings will change spin / roll characteristics. Make sure who ever is supplying the tanks will verify spin testing has been performed for the additional mass / moment arms involved.
But then you are the manufacturer and you own that verification.
Jim C
Almost flying again
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On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:
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Thank you all for the answers.
Since almost all were about extra tanks in the wings, is anyone out there aware of extra tanks on the baggage compartment?
Builders who done it, or after-market kit?
Carlos
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: quinta-feira, 7 de Novembro de 2013 02:51
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Extra fuel tank
Safeair1, I think, has the tip tanks.
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 6, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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I recall some one offered a 7.5 gal tank to go in each wing tip to achieve 75 gal, or 1 extra hour endurance.
Many aircraft have added baggage compartment tanks, either ridgid or bladder, that could be teed into one of the main tanks with a wobble pump or electric pump.
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>
We have installed an additional half tank outboard of the stock tanks for a total of 90 gallons on a number of planes. The tanks are separate and you transfer into the mains. It's a big job, but it works well.
Jesse Saint
I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)
www.itecusa.org
www.mavericklsa.com
C: [url=tel:352-427-0285]352-427-0285[/url]
O: [url=tel:352-465-4545]352-465-4545[/url]
F: [url=tel:815-377-3694]815-377-3694[/url]
Sent from my iPhone
| Quote: | I have seen at least one -10 with two standard tanks per wing.
Their is an aftermarket tip tank kit but I don't have the info.
Dave Leikam
> On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Carlos Trigo <trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt (trigo(at)mail.telepac.pt)> wrote:
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I have an 18 gal metal tank in baggage comp. plumb it directly into and and air four way valve. Use while enroute
Wt and bal is good. Helps with forward cg. Am very pleased with it. Weighs about 15#. Had a local fabricator build it for me. Obviously cannot use with four people in ac.
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While I don't see any need for an extra fuel tank for my needs, I can see
someone wanting a ferry tank.
My neighbor is the guy who now owns the world record for single engine
non-stop endurance, Guam to Jacksonville. He did it in a Lancair 4. I
watched him make the five or so ferry tanks that fit exactly into each
available space inside the airplane. All tanks were made of carbon fiber
and are exceptionally light.
If I ever want a ferry tank I'd go the same way he did. I suspect I'd build
them to fit in the rear seat passenger foot wells, then perhaps another tank
going across the top of those two tanks and extending over the rear seat
deck. This would help with W&B and as there would be no rear passengers
with all this added fuel weight taking up the passenger space is not an
issue.
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Hi Kevino
That's exactly what I was looking for. I am going to to send you a PM.
Thanks
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I note that the 18 gal tank will put 120 lbs in the baggage area. When I built my 10, Vans recommended a max of 150 lbs in the baggage area. But I see that current kits have a recommended limit of 100 lbs. Does anyone know why the change was made? Does the recommendation apply to all aircraft or only newer ones (was there a structural change?)?
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I think it may have always been 100. I know I've seen that for many years
and was always curious as to why.
Tim
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I note that the 18 gal tank will put 120 lbs in the baggage area. When I built my 10, Vans recommended a max of 150 lbs in the baggage area. But I see that current kits have a recommended limit of 100 lbs. Does anyone know why the change was made? Does the recommendation apply to all aircraft or only newer ones (was there a structural change?)?
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When you do the weight and balance it pulls everything aft. forget trying to
put an adult back there with the fuel loaded up, however, that will take you
out of C/G.
I can tell you that the tail section can tolerate 170lbs. I tested it when I
did and do my annuals, so I doubt it's a structural issue with the baggage
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| Tim Olson wrote: | I think it may have always been 100. I know I've seen that for many years
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The weight and balance paperwork that came with my finish kit definitely says 150 lbs.
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I can tell you that the tail section can tolerate 170lbs. I tested it when I
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I believe the issue is what it can tolerate if you pull 3.8g, e.g., if the load limit is 100 lbs then it needs to be able to support 380 lbs static.
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