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michele.delsol(at)microsi
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:34 am Post subject: Good active noise cancelling heaset

Listers,



 



I am trying to decide upon a good ANR or whatever headset. I could always go

for the Bose X which is the most expensive ($995) and probably the best

however when I see all those Bose X full page ads in practically all

magazines, and this includes French magazines, got me thinking.  I feel I

would be paying 400$ to finance all the ads (if not more) and 600$ for the

headset. I figure that there should be a headset out there probably just as

good but for which the advertising budget is a lot lower, hence available at

a much lower price.



 



Anyone care to comment??? Please.



 



Michele



RV8 – Fuselage - France

shempdowling2(at)earthlin
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:04 am Post subject: Good active noise cancelling heaset

A cheap used set of David Clarks and install your own anr kit.  Works for me 

at less than half the price.



Shemp/Jeff Dowling

RV-6A, N915JD

295 hours

Chicago/Louisville

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rv(at)fahller.se
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:15 am Post subject: Good active noise cancelling heaset

On Monday 19 June 2006 16:23, Michèle Delsol wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I figure that there should be a headset out there probably just as

 good but for which the advertising budget is a lot lower, hence available

 at a much lower price.



 Anyone care to comment??? Please.


	


I have since a few years a Sennheisser HMEC350. It is a very good ANR headset, 

although a bit hungry on batteries. Disadvanvage is also the fairly large 

battery box.



I recently bought a Bose headset X, and there is no doubt that it's the better 

headset. If it's better enough to warrant the rediculous price, is another 

matter.

   _

/Bjorn

rv8ch

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 250
Location: Switzerland

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:22 am Post subject: Good active noise cancelling heaset

 	  Quote: 	
		   I am trying to decide upon a good ANR or whatever headset. I could always go

 for the Bose X which is the most expensive ($995) and probably the best

 however when I see all those Bose X full page ads in practically all

 magazines, and this includes French magazines, got me thinking.  I feel I

 would be paying 400$ to finance all the ads (if not more) and 600$ for the

 headset. I figure that there should be a headset out there probably just as

 good but for which the advertising budget is a lot lower, hence available at

 a much lower price.


	


The best idea is to try on as many as you can, and when you find the

right one, buy it.  Don't worry about the price - they are all

expensive.  I've tried most headsets on the market at OSH and

SNF, even though I had already bought the Bose.  I'm happy with

them.  They even fit my daughters (4 and 6) comfortably.



-- 

Mickey Coggins

http://www.rv8.ch/

#82007 finishing

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Mickey Coggins
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dorante(at)juno.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: Good active noise cancelling heaset

I installed an ANR kit in my David Clarks; less than $200 with the

optional ear seals.  It works great, and I fly helos.  IMO, there is no

doubt the Bose are better, but not worth the price differential.



Their website is http://anr-headsets.com/



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Tom

pbesing(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:56 am Post subject: Good active noise cancelling heaset

This comes up a few times a year...I'll chime in

again.  Bose, Bose, Bose.  My comfort, hearing, and

all around flight enjoyment make the headset worth

every stinkin penny.  



Have been flying with one pair for 5 years now, 1000

hours, including flight instructing several

flights/day in the summer, with no problems.



I'm sure you'll hear how great the customer service is

for lightspeed, and how "every time" they send them

back they come back quickly, no charge, new earcups,

etc....the point is, they have to be sent back!!  My

Bose have taken a beating, and have never had to go

back.  Spend the money now...when it's comfort, it's

worth it.  



I like the analogy of a bed.  You don't (at least most

don't) buy a cheap bed..why?  Because you sleep on it

every night and it's about YOU and comfort...well,

IMHO, Bose fit the same mission...flying is supposed

to be enjoyable, and I haven't found a more

comfortable, reliable, headset. 



The $1000 is not for buying the ads...Bose can afford

to buy the ads without the headset price!  Everything

they sell is expensive.  It's really a $1000 headset

in my opinion.  If you were to buy a $600 headset, is

the Bose worth $400 more?  I think so...it's not like

I said, "well, I guess I'll pay the $1000" I honestly

feel that they are worth that.  So much so that I

bought a second pair for my passengers.  And no, I'm

not made of money either!  I used their no interest 12

month payment plan which makes it much easier to

stomach.



Paul Besing



--- Michèle Delsol <michele.delsol(at)microsigma.fr>

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 Listers,

 

  

 

 I am trying to decide upon a good ANR or whatever

 headset. I could always go

 for the Bose X which is the most expensive ($995)

 and probably the best

 however when I see all those Bose X full page ads in

 practically all

 magazines, and this includes French magazines, got

 me thinking.  I feel I

 would be paying 400$ to finance all the ads (if not

 more) and 600$ for the

 headset. I figure that there should be a headset out

 there probably just as

 good but for which the advertising budget is a lot

 lower, hence available at

 a much lower price.

 

  

 

 Anyone care to comment??? Please.

 

  

 

 Michele

 

 RV8 – Fuselage - France

 

 

 

 

 



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jpl(at)showpage.org
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:45 am Post subject: Good active noise cancelling heaset

I haven't tried all the expensive headsets.  My flying budget has  

never been unlimited, so I make my choices carefully.  With this in  

mind, I bought a pair of the Lightspeed headsets, and I've been very  

happy with them.

There are really three things to consider with headsets:

-Quality of noise suppression (both passive and active)

-Comfort

-Price

Of these items, the bottom two can be measured at Oshkosh.  But the  

top one can not.  For that, you can try to compare the noise  

suppression charts and statistics published by the headset  

manufacturers.  Or you can test fly and judge for yourself.

The one time I compared my Lightspeeds against a friend's Bose, I  

wasn't able to detect a difference. Someone with more sensitive  

hearing may disagree.

When I bought the Lightspeeds, Bose was publishing better active/ 

passive noise suppression by a total of only 1 or 2 dB.  I felt the  

very minor difference this suggested was no where near worth paying  

3-4 times as much.

-J

On Jun 19, 2006, at 10:21 AM, Mickey Coggins wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

> I am trying to decide upon a good ANR or whatever headset. I could  

> always go

> for the Bose X which is the most expensive ($995) and probably the  

> best

> however when I see all those Bose X full page ads in practically all

> magazines, and this includes French magazines, got me thinking.  I  

> feel I

> would be paying 400$ to finance all the ads (if not more) and 600$  

> for the

> headset. I figure that there should be a headset out there  

> probably just as

> good but for which the advertising budget is a lot lower, hence  

> available at

> a much lower price.

 The best idea is to try on as many as you can, and when you find the

 right one, buy it.  Don't worry about the price - they are all

 expensive.  I've tried most headsets on the market at OSH and

 SNF, even though I had already bought the Bose.  I'm happy with

 them.  They even fit my daughters (4 and 6) comfortably.

 -- 

 Mickey Coggins

 http://www.rv8.ch/

 #82007 finishing

 do not archive

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pbesing(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:00 am Post subject: Good active noise cancelling heaset

 	  Quote: 	
		   When I bought the Lightspeeds, Bose was publishing

 better active/ 

 passive noise suppression by a total of only 1 or 2

 dB.  I felt the  

 very minor difference this suggested was no where

 near worth paying  

 3-4 times as much.

 

 -J

 


	


There is no argument that the quality of the ANR on

the lightspeed is good as the Bose.  I think the big

difference between the lightspeed and Bose is quality

of the headset frames, and of course comfort. 

Personally, the comfort factor is worth the money

IMHO.  You forget you are wearing them in about 2

minutes.



Paul Besing



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jpl(at)showpage.org
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:54 am Post subject: Good active noise cancelling heaset

Ah, well, it comes down to how much does $1700 (the price savings for  

2 headsets) mean do you.  For some folks, $1700 isn't much.  For  

others, it's a lot.  I can put up with some discomfort after a couple  

of hours of flight if it means I can actually afford to fly.

-J

PS: Computer geek, will code for flight time.

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On Jun 19, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Paul Besing wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

> When I bought the Lightspeeds, Bose was publishing

> better active/

> passive noise suppression by a total of only 1 or 2

> dB.  I felt the

> very minor difference this suggested was no where

> near worth paying

> 3-4 times as much.

>

> -J

>

 There is no argument that the quality of the ANR on

 the lightspeed is good as the Bose.  I think the big

 difference between the lightspeed and Bose is quality

 of the headset frames, and of course comfort.

 Personally, the comfort factor is worth the money

 IMHO.  You forget you are wearing them in about 2

 minutes.

 Paul Besing

lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:34 pm Post subject: Good active noise cancelling heaset

I found the audio quality of the Bose to be superior.  I have a hearing loss that is getting worse with time (age) that background noise interferes with my ability to hear, and the Lightspeeds were not good enough.  I was also tired of sending them back for repair.



Paul Besing <pbesing(at)yahoo.com> wrote:     

This comes up a few times a year...I'll chime in

again. Bose, Bose, Bose. My comfort, hearing, and

all around flight enjoyment make the headset worth

every stinkin penny. 



Have been flying with one pair for 5 years now, 1000

hours, including flight instructing several

flights/day in the summer, with no problems.



I'm sure you'll hear how great the customer service is

for lightspeed, and how "every time" they send them

back they come back quickly, no charge, new earcups,

etc....the point is, they have to be sent back!! My

Bose have taken a beating, and have never had to go

back. Spend the money now...when it's comfort, it's

worth it. 



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Sherman Butler

RV-7a Wings

Idaho Falls

 		

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bill(at)vondane.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: Good active noise cancelling heaset

I have the Lightspeed QFR Cross Country's ($325 from Van's)...  I love 

them...



My buddy has Bose, and he likes them too...



-Bill

www.rv8a.com



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michele.delsol(at)microsi
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:07 am Post subject: Good active noise cancelling heaset

I new I could count on you people to get me thinking straight. The bed

argument wins - one buys a bed every 20+ years, and spends a lot of time in

them - added to that is the fact that there is a strong argument as to

Bose's good mechanical solidity + the superb sound... I guess I'll just have

to bite the bullet and dish out the 2K$ for a couple of sets. 



Thanks guys 

Michele - RV8 fuselage - France

PS - We had our 3rd fly-in early June - out at La Baule by the Atlantic

Ocean - 41 RVs turned out (UK biggest contingent - they are buying France) -

110+ stayed for dinner Saturday night - it was a memorable event.



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jjessen

Joined: 22 Apr 2006
Posts: 285
Location: OR

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: Good active noise cancelling heaset

There are many personal choices in flying, and this is certainly one of

them.  



I have a pair of DC's that I converted to noise cancelling and am happy with

them.  I also purchase (but then sent back) the Bose.  I felt that the Bose

were much more comfortable and did a great job, but not better than the DC's

for the type and frequency of flying I am currently doing.  I am  flying

Cessna's (172, 182) during the time I'm building the RV-10.  My flights are

not that long, given that I'm renting.  When I get the RV-10 done, I will

spring for the Bose.  Why?  Because they are very comfortable, and I plan on

flying long distances when comfort matters.  The DC's conversions are a

great value and work just fine, but the comfort level is not that high.  Are

the Bose worth $400 more for comfort?  I spend $120 per hour flying puddle

jumping C172s.  I try to stay current while building, and that means 4 to 5

hours a month.  That's around $500 right there.  I'm building a $120,000 or

more airplane designed as a magic carpet to all sorts of destinations, if I

can afford fuel by the time I get it done.  There are $400 worth of

decisions on that airplane it seems almost daily.  I'm not saying that cost

is not an issue (it is!), I just want to put it into perspective.  Cost is

an issue, but I could easily bag a month of flying and get the Bose if it's

worth that much to have the comfort.  It's all in how you value the end

product.  Are they better than my current DC's?  In noise reduction,

probably, but not that I can really tell.  Are they more comfortable and

worth the lack of feeling my head is compressed after 3 hours?  Absolutely.

And that's why the DC's will be replaced when I'm finally doing the type of

flying that makes them valuable.  



Like I said, this is a very personal decision.  You have 30 days to try them

out.  No questions asked return policy, which is one part of why they are so

expensive.  And, yes, Bose does price their products for large margins and

prestige.  It's the game they're in.  Their audio products are sold on that

notion of prestige and additionally on style and simplicity, not because

they are sonically better.  My sound system outperforms a top of the line

Bose system any day of the week, costs less, but does not carry the

immediate brand recognition.  They are way over priced....unless there is

something that they have you are willing to pay the money for.  There will

always be one or two products dealing on the upper end of the pricing

spread.  They have to have something that keeps them there.  Up to you to

decide what that something is for you and whether or not you'll bite.  Good

luck!  



John Jessen



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ktlkrn(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: Good active noise cancelling heaset

I've commented on this a few times. I have the Clarity Aloft headset. This is the ear bud type that is extremely light and comfortable. The sound performance is excellent. I had to turn all of my radios down after going to this style. 



I like wearing a straw hat when flying. This wouldn't be possible with a conventional headset. Now with the extreme AZ heat no more sweat running out from the bottom of the ear muff style headset.



Give these a look. They have a 30 day money back guarantee so you have nothing to lose. Once you fly with these for a few hours, you won't be sending them back.



Darwin N. Barrie

Chandler AZ

RV-7 N717EE

pilots2(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: Good active noise cancelling heaset

As a long time user of Lightspeed headsets let me put in my 2cents.  As one who wishes to protect the hearing I have left (read old guy)  I have bought high end Lightspeeds and have personally owned 3 sets. The first ones - unfortunately I do not remember their model designation - were purchased when Lightspeed had a special for CFI's.  When they came out with the current "G" models they offered to take back the old model as a trade-in and sell me a new one for 1/2 price and I purchased the 30-3Gs.  I also have a pair Lightspeed QFR ANR's as the headband is smaller and they fit me  when flying a close to canopy airplane such as the RV or Lancair series. I made the mistake of letting my wife and then my sister use the 30-3G's and they also now own a pair.  What makes Lightspeed TRULY great is their customer service.  I have had  occasions where I have had to send one of the headsets back to Lightspeed for service and they are always courteous, helpful and performed the work

 for free.  Since I use my headsets almost daily they get a lot of use and occasionally a mike will go out or the ANR board will get weak. I dont consider this unusual due to what I consider high useage.  Some friends with Bose have sent theirs in for service and they always seem to get charged.       

The Lightspeeds have been extreamly comfortable even when worn for long periods of time on extended cross-countries. I am awaiting Lightspeeds newest headset model as I fully intend to trade-up when they come out. 

PS; I am not associated with Lightspeed in any way other than a very satisfied customer. 

Reuven Silberman

7A  N7WT

Joseph Larson <jpl(at)showpage.org> wrote: 

Ah, well, it comes down to how much does $1700 (the price savings for  

2 headsets) mean do you.  For some folks, $1700 isn't much.  For  

others, it's a lot.  I can put up with some discomfort after a couple  

of hours of flight if it means I can actually afford to fly.

-J

PS: Computer geek, will code for flight time.

do not archive

On Jun 19, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Paul Besing wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 	  Quote: 	

> When I bought the Lightspeeds, Bose was publishing

> better active/

> passive noise suppression by a total of only 1 or 2

> dB.  I felt the

> very minor difference this suggested was no where

> near worth paying

> 3-4 times as much.

>

> -J

>

 There is no argument that the quality of the ANR on

 the lightspeed is good as the Bose.  I think the big

 difference between the lightspeed and Bose is quality

 of the headset frames, and of course comfort.

 Personally, the comfort factor is worth the money

 IMHO.  You forget you are wearing them in about 2

 minutes.

 Paul Besing

"No pressure, no diamonds".

     ~Thomas Carlyle

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