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Want to chime in here about poly fabric. Only time I had a problem was with the old aircraft spruce. They sent me the correct amount, just in three pieces! Apparently finishing rolls or something. Imagine my surprise when I unrolled the fabric onto the wing to cut only to find it in pieces. The sent me new fabric but the return order got lost in california. Took awhile but got it fixed. Was quite a mess on my credt card. Dodi always got it right. Be careful with the term "They". Ted cowan slingshot 912ul zoom zoom over 450 hrs and loving it!
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1. 01:37 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: (Bob Green)
2. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: (Dennis Rowe)
3. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: (John Hauck)
4. 08:31 PM - Change of plans, part 3 (Dennis Rowe)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 01:37:23 PM PST US
From: Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List Digest:
Who are the "they" who short change buyers on fabric? I have dealt with The Millers
and have always received prompt service and exactly what I ordered and
for what I paid.
In all honesty, if they and other providers know someone is just seeking information
on amounts of fabric, etc. they probably do not respond as well as they
would if a person is serious about purchasing their products. I can not speak
for them or anyone but myself, but if my livelihood depended on selling fabric
and certain products I would probably respond in a similar manner. They make
their living in a very competitive market selling Poli-fiber products. I
personally have tried to respect that fact with all the providers with which
I deal. Poli-fiber seems costly but I have inspected and worked on other fabric
covered planes and am convinced that Poli-fiber will last more than 15-20
years if applied correctly and it is definitely easy to apply, even for those
working with fabric for the first time... like I was.
Many years ago when I was buying an airplane from a friend I kept prodding him
to come down on the price. He reminded me that he could not stay in business
if he donated all his time and products, etc.
I have nothing but respect for Jim and Dondi... if they are by chance the "they"
mentioned. I do not mean to offend anyone and I know that even the greatest
vendor drops the ball at some time or another, but they have never dropped it
in my case.
I had to order more fabric because of a mistake I made and I also used more materials
because it was my first fabric job.
Just my two cents worth... and it is free. Of course I have been told by some
good friends that I don't have enough "cents" (sense) to be givining any away.
Bob
N830PB,
MKIII Extra
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 02:35:50 PM PST US
Subject: Re: RE: Kolb-List Digest:
From: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
I should have chimed in sooner on this.
I have had the same experience as Bob with Jim and Dondi Miller. They are true
class acts.
I look forward to someday soon covering our 48 C-170's wings with products purchased
from these fine folks at Aircraft Technical Support.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Who are the "they" who short change buyers on fabric? I have dealt with The
Millers and have always received prompt service and exactly what I ordered and
for what I paid.
> In all honesty, if they and other providers know someone is just seeking information
on amounts of fabric, etc. they probably do not respond as well as they
would if a person is serious about purchasing their products. I can not speak
for them or anyone but myself, but if my livelihood depended on selling fabric
and certain products I would probably respond in a similar manner. They
make their living in a very competitive market selling Poli-fiber products.
I personally have tried to respect that fact with all the providers with which
I deal. Poli-fiber seems costly but I have inspected and worked on other fabric
covered planes and am convinced that Poli-fiber will last more than 15-20
years if applied correctly and it is definitely easy to apply, even for those
working with fabric for the first time... like I was.
>
> Many years ago when I was buying an airplane from a friend I kept prodding him
to come down on the price. He reminded me that he could not stay in business
if he donated all his time and products, etc.
> I have nothing but respect for Jim and Dondi... if they are by chance the "they"
mentioned. I do not mean to offend anyone and I know that even the greatest
vendor drops the ball at some time or another, but they have never dropped
it in my case.
>
> I had to order more fabric because of a mistake I made and I also used more materials
because it was my first fabric job.
> Just my two cents worth... and it is free. Of course I have been told by some
good friends that I don't have enough "cents" (sense) to be givining any
away.
> Bob
> N830PB,
> MKIII Extra
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 02:51:30 PM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
Subject: RE: RE: Kolb-List Digest:
Poli-fiber seems costly but I have inspected and worked on other fabric
covered planes and am convinced that Poli-fiber will last more than 15-20
years if applied correctly and it is definitely easy to apply, even for
those working with fabric for the first time... like I was.
I have nothing but respect for Jim and Dondi... if they are by chance the
"they" mentioned. I do not mean to offend anyone and I know that even the
greatest vendor drops the ball at some time or another, but they have never
dropped it in my case.
Bob
N830PB,
MKIII Extra
Bob G/Kolbers:
I covered my MKIII 23 years ago with Polyfiber. In 2000, after tearing up a
wing aileron, and flap, during a crash at Muncho Lake, BC, Jim and Dondi
Miller came to my rescue. They were at the Kolb Homecoming that year, as
well as Homer and Clara Kolb. I shared my unsuccessful flight to Alaska
with the group of Kolbers attending. At the end of my briefing, Jim Miller
stood up and informed me that he and Dondi would provide me with all fabric,
paint, and material to recover the wing, aileron, and flap, at no charge.
And that also included shipping. I will never forget and will always be
grateful for their extreme generosity. With their help, The New Kolb
Aircraft, and a few others, I was successful in flying to Point Barrow,
Alaska, the following year.
I echo Bob Green's sentiments about Jim and Dondi. They have always gone
out of their way to help all of their customers that I am aware of.
And one thing for sure. You will always get a tremendous hug from Dondi.
She is a exceptionally good hugger.
By the way, the fabric on my right wing, aileron, flap, rudder, horizontal
stabilizer, and fuselage are original 1991 fabric and paint. The left wing,
aileron, flap and vertical stabilizer were covered and painted in 2000.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 08:31:06 PM PST US
Subject: Change of plans, part 3
From: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>
Took the 670 core to my friend and Slingshot driver Dave Lewis's house for d
isassembly of the top end. All went fine as frogs fuzz. Had some light scrat
ches in one barrel dictating I have it over bored. Removed the oil injection
pump as I've chosen go with premix for now. The cylinders and head are now a
t my local machine shop waiting for the new pistons to arrive, and to get pa
rticle blasted to look like new. The crank and crank case are waiting to be p
roperly packaged for the trip to Naples Florida for reworking by Rotax Rick a
nd to get the E gearbox and exhaust fitted. As that will be the major expens
e of this project, wifey has appealed to me to put that on hold till the hol
iday credit card Smackdown is paid off. In the meantime I have pretty much a
cquired all the odds and ends I'll need to complete the project through some
very successful eBay shopping. Just landed the power valves tonight.
Life is good.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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