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Has anyone used a B&C stby alternator on the vacuum pad with an angle oil filter? I need to know if there is an engine mount clearance issue, and if so, what thickness spacers are needed to make it all fit.
Chris Hukill
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Leeverett
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| Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:56 pm Post subject: oil filter and B&C alternator |
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I have the B and C standby alternator and the B and C oil filter adaptor. No clearance issues. Leon Everett
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Subject: RV10-List: oil filter and B&C alternator
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Has anyone used a B&C stby alternator on the vacuum pad with an angle oil filter? I need to know if there is an engine mount clearance issue, and if so, what thickness spacers are needed to make it all fit.
Chris Hukill
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:58 pm Post subject: oil filter and B&C alternator |
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You can do it. Call B&C and they will specify the spacers needed to fit the -10.
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On Dec 20, 2013, at 7:42 PM, "Chris Hukill" <cjhukill(at)cox.net (cjhukill(at)cox.net)> wrote:
[quote] Has anyone used a B&C stby alternator on the vacuum pad with an angle oil filter? I need to know if there is an engine mount clearance issue, and if so, what thickness spacers are needed to make it all fit.
Chris Hukill
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| Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:05 pm Post subject: oil filter and B&C alternator |
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I have angled oil filter. Fits fine but if it wasn't angled it would not fit!
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I have the B and C standby alternator and the B and C oil filter adaptor. No clearance issues. Leon Everett
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Subject: RV10-List: oil filter and B&C alternator
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 16:42:07 -0800
Has anyone used a B&C stby alternator on the vacuum pad with an angle oil filter? I need to know if there is an engine mount clearance issue, and if so, what thickness spacers are needed to make it all fit.
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dmaib@me.com
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| Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: oil filter and B&C alternator |
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Sounds like most have had no problems. However, I could not make it work. I have the B&C 20 Amp Stby Alternator on the vacuum pad and I could not find an adapter that would permit me to mount the oil filter. I tried various spacers and adapters from B&C and one or two other vendors, to no avail. My engine is a C4B5, so that might be the difference. The good news is, I decided to bite the bullet and purchase and install the Airwolf remote oil filter. I mounted it on the lower RH firewall. Sure makes for easy, mess free, oil filter changes. I am glad it turned out that way.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:55 pm Post subject: oil filter and B&C alternator |
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I have a C4B5 and I had no issues getting it to work out. I have the angle oil adapter and the B&C vacuum pad SD20. I think the spacer I used was 3/4". If you look on their web page under gear driven alternators and SD20, you'll find the RV-10 specific info.
http://www.bandc.biz/extensionforsd-20forrv10homebuilt.aspx
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Sounds like most have had no problems. However, I could not make it work. I have the B&C 20 Amp Stby Alternator on the vacuum pad and I could not find an adapter that would permit me to mount the oil filter. I tried various spacers and adapters from B&C and one or two other vendors, to no avail. My engine is a C4B5, so that might be the difference. The good news is, I decided to bite the bullet and purchase and install the Airwolf remote oil filter. I mounted it on the lower RH firewall. Sure makes for easy, mess free, oil filter changes. I am glad it turned out that way.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:15 am Post subject: oil filter and B&C alternator |
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To make the combo work you need a spacer for both the alternator and oil filter adapter. Â For the oil filter adapter it's the 1.4" spacer. Â For the SD-20 it's a spacer kit that includes a replacement shear coupling. Â If you buy the spacer kit at the same time as the SD-20 they probably swap out the shear coupling before you get it. Â The SD-20 spacer is .75". Â I worked with Bill (B&C) as the original installation of this combo on an RV-10.
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On Friday, December 20, 2013, Michael Kraus wrote:
[quote]I have a C4B5 and I had no issues getting it to work out. Â I have the angle oil adapter and the B&C vacuum pad SD20. Â I think the spacer I used was 3/4". Â If you look on their web page under gear driven alternators and SD20, you'll find the RV-10 specific info.
http://www.bandc.biz/extensionforsd-20forrv10homebuilt.aspx
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Sounds like most have had no problems. However, I could not make it work. I have the B&C 20 Amp Stby Alternator on the vacuum pad and I could not find an adapter that would permit me to mount the oil filter. I tried various spacers and adapters from B&C and one or two other vendors, to no avail. My engine is a C4B5, so that might be the difference. The good news is, I decided to bite the bullet and purchase and install the Airwolf remote oil filter. I mounted it on the lower RH firewall. Sure makes for easy, mess free, oil filter changes. I am glad it turned out that way.
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Transition Trainer
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| Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:53 am Post subject: Re: oil filter and B&C alternator |
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Just a little more explanation for those that may have had issues with this and/or those trying to understand why the spacers.
To install the B&C oil filter adapter on an RV-10 you need to use their 1.4" spacer regardless of whether or not you intend to also use their SD-20 alternator. This adapter orients the filter so it's sticking up at about the 11 o'clock position. The spacer is needed to shift the filter aft for clearance with the top engine mount cross-member.
If you are installing an SD-20 with a stock oil filter adapter, it will bolt right up to the stock vacuum pad. If however you've got their oil filter adapter, one of the SD-20 case screw bosses sticks out far enough that the filter adapter causes interference. So, the final solution Bill came up with was adding a 3/4" spacer for the SD-20. This also required that the standard SD-20 shear coupling get replaced with one that ties into account the extra 3/4". Bill then made a kit for the SD-20 that includes the spacer, new shear coupling and longer studs for the vacuum pad. As I said in my earlier post, I'm pretty sure if you order the SD-20 and kit at the same time that they install the new shear coupling but it's pretty simple to do yourself.
There are other brands of both angled oil filter adapters and vacuum pad alternators but I don't know the specifics of what it takes to make all those permutations work.
Bob
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| Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2013 8:58 am Post subject: oil filter and B&C alternator |
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Another data point for general information: I have the B&C SD20 alternator and used the straight oil filter adapter that comes with standard Vans powerplant - the D4A5.
The difficulty of removing and installing filters is less than that I had on my Maule so no problem there. It's easy to get a box wrench on the end of the filter. I use the same length of angle vinyl flashing, about 2" a side and 4' long, as a gutter to catch the drip as the filter comes off. A one step foot stool is required to get over the top access for the change. The angle filter mount looked attractive but I didn't do it.
Installing the SD20 in the first place is a bear and I hopefully won't have to replace it soon. I'm not sure that the difficulty changes with the various oil filter adapters, spacers and such. There's one nut and stud that is impossible to reach with any standard wrench. For about $30, Snap-on sells a thin crows foot wrench specifically for this particular stud & nut. Hmmmm.... a single use $30 tool, let me see if I can borrow one.
Experienced mechanics seem familiar with the difficulties around this vacuum pad stud and nut so I asked around with no joy. My local guy says he "turns the nut by using the end of a straight screwdriver". Torque values? A well calibrated mallet and screw driver seems to be the key for him. So I bought the wrench and with difficulty installed the SD20 and torqued it properly. No big deal, never looked back.
All is well 350 hours later. Only problem discovered 300 hours in was the lead to the SD20 fatigued and broke off when I gave it a tug during my second conditional. Make sure you allow for an extra large relief loop in the lead because the geometry of the engine mount and SD20 location results in a surprising amount of movement during operation.
Bill "found out the '10 can easily transport 2 Labs and a carrier with 2 more dogs" Watson
On 12/20/2013 7:42 PM, Chris Hukill wrote:
[quote] Has anyone used a B&C stby alternator on the vacuum pad with an angle oil filter? I need to know if there is an engine mount clearance issue, and if so, what thickness spacers are needed to make it all fit.
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