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brian
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Location: Sacramento, California, USA
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 Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:30 am Post subject: Nuclear waste and Us vs. the Government (was: Radium) [some |
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Valkyre1 wrote:
| Quote: | Add to this series of horrific Bureaucratic bullying the fact that we
are now in the process of fighting a huge conglomerate of energy
companies backed by the U.S. Government here in Utah.
Why? Because they want to import hundreds of thousands of pounds of
nuclear waste from not only other states, but from Japan to store it 60
miles upwind of Salt Lake City, Utah. It's all obviously pork belly
politics and payoffs.
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You know, one nice thing about nuclear "waste" is that about 99% of the
energy is still in it. In 20-50 years it might be nice to have all that
stored energy ready to recycle and not have to go to some other country
to buy it again. Think "energy independence".
Analogy: do you ever play the game of "Hearts"? The Queen of Spades is a
bad thing to have. Some people pass it away at the beginning but my
strategy is to keep it in order to have control over who gets it instead
of me. I would much rather have the nuclear waste under our control than
someone else's. I wouldn't even mind living next to it.
| Quote: | What makes it worse is the fact that these storage facilities aren't
exactly well contained or secure. This also makes our City a more
attractive site for potential terrorist activity.
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Uh, is this an example of the, "I don't need to outrun the bear; I only
need to outrun you;" attitude? We want to make sure it is someone else's
city that is more attractive to terrorists in order to feel safe?
I prefer the, "catch them, shoot them, drop their bodies in a ditch and
throw dirt on them," approach to dealing with terrorists instead of
running, hiding, or pretending that we are actually dealing with
terrorist effectively. (The latter is the Bush administration's approach.)
| Quote: | They also want to transport it through our populated areas on a regular
basis via rail line and truck.
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How often do the rail and truck lines transport chemicals that would
have a much more immediate affect on you should they be released? A tank
of chlorine gas is a LOT more dangerous to you than a whole load of
spent nuclear fuel rods dumped right on your doorstep. It is a good idea
to understand the real threat.
What is it about radioactive material that makes people go crazy-stupid?
Case in point, how many people died as a result of the melt-down at
Three Mile Island? How many people died as a result of the Chernobyl
disaster? And how many died as a result of the chemical release in
Bhopal, India? The Bhopal chemical release was a *much* bigger disaster.
From:
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/History/Current_Affairs/Bhopal_indepindia.html
"...but three years later the death toll stood, on official count, at
3,500, though other estimates of people killed outright, or as a
consequence of the gas leak, run to as high as 10,000; perhaps as many
as 40,000 people were permanently disabled, maimed, or rendered subject
to numerous grave illnesses, and another 200,000-300,000 found
themselves with minor injuries, without jobs, or impoverished by the
death of the only bread-winner in the family."
From: http://www.atomicinsights.com/apr96/effects.html
"Therefore, the immediate death toll from the [Chernobyl] accident was
31. Since the accident, 11 more deaths - possibly caused by radiation -
have occurred among the population of highly exposed people, bringing
the death toll to 42."
Let's see: 3,500 vs. 42. Hmm.
And how many people die from auto accidents every day?
(And how many people die from terrorist attacks every day? In Israel?)
Oh, and I just don't see how a nuclear waste repository is going to
explode and catch fire the way the Chernobyl reactor did.
Sorry Val, I guess I just don't see the nuclear waste problem the same
way you do. I guess I don't see the terrorist problem the way many
people do. Heck, I am a lot more afraid of local gang-bangers than I am
of terrorists.
| Quote: | The good news is that there has been quite a public outcry here and at
least our local politicians have changed their tune. Since the Feds. are
all for the energy companies making lots of money importing this stuff
and storing it in our back yard, we're refusing the right to build the
rail lines necessary to do this over other lands.
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NIMBY! Heck, I would like to own all that nuclear waste. Send it to me!
I could reprocess it into usable fuel. Oh yeah, I forgot: DOE, EPA, DHS,
etc.
| Quote: | Point being. We must pick our battles carefully, because the ones that
we pick, we must be determined to win at all costs. In order to do this
we must band together as a large and powerful group and communicate. I
think that we have that through AOPA, the EAA, etc.
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I agree with you on this.
| Quote: | Hopefully, the victims of this radon fiasco can use some of this in
support of their cases. Can we take up a collection (all groups) for
their legal defense fund?
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This is sensible. OTOH, are you ready for the fight? You are going to be
attacking bureaucrats on their home turf. And there are a lot of them
who are strongly motivated by the billions of our tax dollars to which
they believe they are entitled -- and which they already have.
Remember how the FAA reacted during the Bob Hoover fiasco? Even though
it was absolutely clear that the guys who yanked Hoover's medical were
100% wrong, the FAA never stopped backing their own people. Think about
it. You are talking about one long, painful, and expensive fight.
And what do you do if you lose in the courts? What is your backup plan?
Do we just then knuckle under? The alternative to that is pretty
sobering. What are *you* prepared to do?
| Quote: | Fraternally, - Val
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Nuclear waste site found in southern France was rocked by a blast Monday that murdered 1 and injured 4 others. No radioactivity was released in the event, authorities say. France gets more of its energy from nuclear sources than any other country in the world. Source of article: Explosion in French nuclear facility kills one, injures four
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