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rparigoris

Joined: 24 Nov 2009
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:51 pm Post subject: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

Hi Group



Has anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa Mono?



Ron Parigoris

spcialeffects

Joined: 29 Aug 2012
Posts: 306
Location: Kent

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

Hey Ron, I'll be the first one...........what's TP?

craigb(at)onthenet.com.au
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:38 pm Post subject: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

In a bag WITH the other offensive materials.... Sorry couldn't resist



Regards

craig



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rparigoris

Joined: 24 Nov 2009
Posts: 792

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:31 am Post subject: Re: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

Hi Spcialeffects



TP is Toilet Paper.



Single ply is longer than two ply. Best have a few feet as a tail to help unroll.



I have a XS Mono.



I could swap out the 914 for a 130 hp 915 with an inverted oil system:

http://sportair.aero/12-epapower/epapower/

then put a temporary vertical pole on the wing slightly angled forward (so it won't hit anything when you release), put the TP on it with a careful 2 feet rolled up and taped in place, then when at altitude roll inverted and pull a negative G. This is half TIC (Tongue in Cheek), but I have a 4 foot RC flying wing with a very powerful gear reduced electric motor and huge prop that I actually do this with using a lolly pop and parachute. It climbs a lot quicker than my Europa with a 914 and Airmaster ever will, so in half a minute even with the draggy cargo it's at 1500 feet. It's a pusher and once in a while it falls off when the motor is running and jams things up, but the ESC (Electronic Speed Controller) protects things, just a 45 degree angle glide back down with just enough airspeed to flair.



No joking, make that less joking to no joking at all:



Angle a tube off the outrigger to hold a roll, then when at altitude when gear is retracted you pull some Gs and get it to fall off?



Leave gear down, have the roll tucked away in the wheel well where it is not going to foul things up if you forgot about it and through the gear lever slot have a release? Could be a rubber band holding in place?



Perhaps have a autonomous wireless mini RC servo release mechanism that easily clamps to the tailwheel spring? Or outrigger?



Hmm, wonder if you put a temporary pole that clamped onto the outrigger perpendicular to airflow, if you side slipped you could get the roll to fall off? Could be kinda fun, when you have a cross wind, put it on the upwind outrigger, fly with a little side-slip, then side-slip the other way when you want to release?



Ron Parigoris

craigb(at)onthenet.com.au
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:44 am Post subject: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

TP = toilet paper



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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:03 am Post subject: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

Toilet Paper.  



You go up about 8000 ft, open a roll of TP, throw it out the window so that it streams, then chase it down to see how many times you can cut the streamer before it gets too low to be safe.



Blue skies & tailwinds,

Bob Borger

Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (50 hrs).

Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208-5331

Cel: 817-992-1117

rlborger(at)mac.com



On Mar 3, 2014, at 11:32 PM, spcialeffects <spcialeffects(at)aol.com> wrote:






Hey Ron, I'll be the first one...........what's TP?

rampil

Joined: 04 May 2007
Posts: 870

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:20 am Post subject: Re: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

The answer to the question is actually simple....



Take the cabin doors off before flight.  Europa have been demonstrated to fly well without doors in multiple incidents in the dim past 



Eject TP upward and outboard to avoid empennage.

Hey Ron, does the question imply that you are nearing project completion?

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petermorgans181(at)btinte
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:55 am Post subject: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

And keep a little bit back for your own use when you land!

Sorry - couldn't resist.



     

   From: Robert Borger <rlborger(at)mac.com>

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 Sent: Tuesday, 4 March 2014, 13:00

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--> Europa-List message posted by: Robert Borger <rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)>



Toilet Paper.  



You go up about 8000 ft, open a roll of TP, throw it out the window so that it streams, then chase it down to see how many times you can cut the streamer before it gets too low to be safe.



Blue skies & tailwinds,

Bob Borger

Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (50 hrs).

Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208-5331

Cel: 817-992-1117

rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)



On Mar 3, 2014, at 11:32 PM, spcialeffects <spcialeffects(at)aol.com (spcialeffects(at)aol.com)> wrote:



--> Europa-List message posted by: "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects(at)aol.com (spcialeffects(at)aol.com)>



Hey Ron, I'll be the first one.......-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List         - sp;               -Matt Dralle, List Adm========

 

 

  

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Fred Klein

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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:41 am Post subject: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

On Mar 4, 2014, at 12:31 AM, rparigoris <rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us (rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us)> wrote:

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…but what are you smoking?

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ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:32 am Post subject: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

Hi! All, 

I have no information ref: flying with doors off the Europa for the purposes

which you have in mind but I was always told by the factory that there

should be a maximum air speed limit applied of 110 knots when doing so for

photographic purposes.

Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG 



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rparigoris

Joined: 24 Nov 2009
Posts: 792

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

Hey Ira



Hoping to have airframe complete this summer (most fill complete), fuel system complete, instrument panel  populated.



Then motor hang/wire things (wiring is half way complete), cowl/prop, glass and paint.



Flap pushrod conversion to push-pull cable that will allow switching between both long and short wings is complete. 



Ron Parigoris

dg.watts(at)talktalk.net
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:10 am Post subject: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

I have in fact flown with the door off my Europa for a photographic sortie, and you are right, there is a 110 knot airspeed limit that Europa advise.



I have to say the whole experience was horrible and I will not be repeating it. There was a lot of vibration and buffeting although for some unknown reason, when we were on final approach I put my hand up on the windscreen surround where the door would normally shut, and it suddenly all went peaceful (maybe there is an airflow problem that can be overcome in a similar way that car sunroofs often have a pop up deflector that activates when the roof is open). I won't be repeating the exercise to test the idea though.



Dave Watts G-BXDY (hoping that the runway will dry out one day. At least we are not now actually underwater).



[quote] On 4 Mar 2014, at 16:23, "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi! All, 

 I have no information ref: flying with doors off the Europa for the purposes

 which you have in mind but I was always told by the factory that there

 should be a maximum air speed limit applied of 110 knots when doing so for

 photographic purposes.

 Regards

 Bob Harrison G-PTAG 

 

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Fred Klein

Joined: 26 Mar 2012
Posts: 503

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:54 pm Post subject: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:09 AM, David Watts <dg.watts(at)talktalk.net (dg.watts(at)talktalk.net)> wrote:

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		  I have in fact flown with the door off my Europa for a photographic sortie, 	




	David…was this done with only ONE door off, or both doors off?



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		  for some unknown reason, when we were on final approach I put my hand up on the windscreen surround where the door would normally shut, and it suddenly all went peaceful (maybe there is an airflow problem that can be overcome in a similar way that car sunroofs often have a pop up deflector that activates when the roof is open). 	




	…so with some sort of “pop up deflector”, might we be talking about open cockpit ops, leather jackets, and silk scarves to boot in the good ol’ summertime?

	F.



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dg.watts(at)talktalk.net
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:14 pm Post subject: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

With just the passenger door off.  

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein

 Sent: 04 March 2014 13:53

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On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:09 AM, David Watts <dg.watts(at)talktalk.net (dg.watts(at)talktalk.net)> wrote:  

I have in fact flown with the door off my Europa for a photographic sortie,    

            David…was this done with only ONE door off, or both doors off?  

for some unknown reason, when we were on final approach I put my hand up on the windscreen surround where the door would normally shut, and it suddenly all went peaceful (maybe there is an airflow problem that can be overcome in a similar way that car sunroofs often have a pop up deflector that activates when the roof is open).   

            …so with some sort of “pop up deflector”, might we be talking about open cockpit ops, leather jackets, and silk scarves to boot in the good ol’ summertime?  

            F.  

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max8992

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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:37 am Post subject: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

I had unfortunately to fly with the passenger door off as it departed the ship due to the passenger shocking the lock with his elbow… Kind of “depressurization”, all the papers flown in the cockpit with a big noise and buffeting like in a storm on a boat! My first reaction was to fly the ship and then look where to land. As we were fortunately close to our harbor I started to lower the speed and was quite surprised to see that by 80Kt when I put the flaps out it came back to a normal behavior (actually I’m not even sure if it was “un-normal” reducing from cruise speed except noise and wind inside after it happened or few seconds later)... and I standard landed.

So to me under 100 Kt or so, flying with a door off should be a non-even but I wouldn’t either have to try it again.

 

Max  Cointe

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De : owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] De la part de David Watts

Envoyé : mercredi 5 mars 2014 07:13

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Objet : RE: Re: Anyone figured how to drop TP from a Europa mono?

 

With just the passenger door off.

 

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Fred Klein

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On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:09 AM, David Watts <dg.watts(at)talktalk.net (dg.watts(at)talktalk.net)> wrote:



 

I have in fact flown with the door off my Europa for a photographic sortie,

 



            David…was this done with only ONE door off, or both doors off?



 

for some unknown reason, when we were on final approach I put my hand up on the windscreen surround where the door would normally shut, and it suddenly all went peaceful (maybe there is an airflow problem that can be overcome in a similar way that car sunroofs often have a pop up deflector that activates when the roof is open). 

 



            …so with some sort of “pop up deflector”, might we be talking about open cockpit ops, leather jackets, and silk scarves to boot in the good ol’ summertime?



 



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