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Matt Dralle
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:08 pm Post subject: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI

At 01:24 PM 3/18/2014 Tuesday, you wrote:

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Hi folks,



Just wanted to put a post out there to be sure the news is on Matronics that the Vertical Power product line was purchased by Astronics Ballard Technology in Everett, WA, and I am the new customer support rep, based in Oshkosh, WI. Marc Ausman is working with me during the transition to get me up to speed on support issues and if you need anything, please don't hesitate to contact me at 425-328-1658 or 920-216-3699. Email is support(at)verticalpower.com



--------

Chad Jensen

Vertical Power Support

RV-7, built, flown, sold


	


Great to see you on the List, Chad.  I have a VP-200 in my RV-8 and another one in my RV-6.  Absolutely love them.  I can't imagine flying without the electrical automation features of the VP-200 specifically.  Will Astronics be working on a new version of the VP-200 with those automation features?  Marc had said that they were going to add them to the VP-300/400 models, but I understand that Astronics won't be carrying those models.  



For me, the real utility and strength in the Vertical Power products is/was the automation.  If I were in the market for a new experimental electrical system, I'm not sure I'd be all that interesting in the VP-x, but I'd buy another VP-200 in a heartbeat.



Please keep us up to date on Astronics' current and future product updates.



Big Fan of Vertical Power Products,

-

Matt Dralle



RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"

http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log

http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log

http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel

Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...



RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"

http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log

Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode



Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!

Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore

Airport.  Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions.  Archives too!

For entertainment purposes only.  http://klvk.matronics.com

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Matt Dralle
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Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26320
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:08 pm Post subject: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI

At 01:24 PM 3/18/2014 Tuesday, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Hi folks,



Just wanted to put a post out there to be sure the news is on Matronics that the Vertical Power product line was purchased by Astronics Ballard Technology in Everett, WA, and I am the new customer support rep, based in Oshkosh, WI. Marc Ausman is working with me during the transition to get me up to speed on support issues and if you need anything, please don't hesitate to contact me at 425-328-1658 or 920-216-3699. Email is support(at)verticalpower.com



--------

Chad Jensen

Vertical Power Support

RV-7, built, flown, sold


	


Great to see you on the List, Chad.  I have a VP-200 in my RV-8 and another one in my RV-6.  Absolutely love them.  I can't imagine flying without the electrical automation features of the VP-200 specifically.  Will Astronics be working on a new version of the VP-200 with those automation features?  Marc had said that they were going to add them to the VP-300/400 models, but I understand that Astronics won't be carrying those models.  



For me, the real utility and strength in the Vertical Power products is/was the automation.  If I were in the market for a new experimental electrical system, I'm not sure I'd be all that interesting in the VP-x, but I'd buy another VP-200 in a heartbeat.



Please keep us up to date on Astronics' current and future product updates.



Big Fan of Vertical Power Products,

-

Matt Dralle



RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"

http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log

http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log

http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel

Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...



RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"

http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log

Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode



Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!

Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore

Airport.  Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions.  Archives too!

For entertainment purposes only.  http://klvk.matronics.com

_________________
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator

Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26320
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:08 pm Post subject: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI

At 01:24 PM 3/18/2014 Tuesday, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Hi folks,



Just wanted to put a post out there to be sure the news is on Matronics that the Vertical Power product line was purchased by Astronics Ballard Technology in Everett, WA, and I am the new customer support rep, based in Oshkosh, WI. Marc Ausman is working with me during the transition to get me up to speed on support issues and if you need anything, please don't hesitate to contact me at 425-328-1658 or 920-216-3699. Email is support(at)verticalpower.com



--------

Chad Jensen

Vertical Power Support

RV-7, built, flown, sold


	


Great to see you on the List, Chad.  I have a VP-200 in my RV-8 and another one in my RV-6.  Absolutely love them.  I can't imagine flying without the electrical automation features of the VP-200 specifically.  Will Astronics be working on a new version of the VP-200 with those automation features?  Marc had said that they were going to add them to the VP-300/400 models, but I understand that Astronics won't be carrying those models.  



For me, the real utility and strength in the Vertical Power products is/was the automation.  If I were in the market for a new experimental electrical system, I'm not sure I'd be all that interesting in the VP-x, but I'd buy another VP-200 in a heartbeat.



Please keep us up to date on Astronics' current and future product updates.



Big Fan of Vertical Power Products,

-

Matt Dralle



RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"

http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log

http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log

http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel

Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...



RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"

http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log

Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode



Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!

Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore

Airport.  Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions.  Archives too!

For entertainment purposes only.  http://klvk.matronics.com

_________________
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator

Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26320
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:09 pm Post subject: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI

At 01:24 PM 3/18/2014 Tuesday, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Hi folks,



Just wanted to put a post out there to be sure the news is on Matronics that the Vertical Power product line was purchased by Astronics Ballard Technology in Everett, WA, and I am the new customer support rep, based in Oshkosh, WI. Marc Ausman is working with me during the transition to get me up to speed on support issues and if you need anything, please don't hesitate to contact me at 425-328-1658 or 920-216-3699. Email is support(at)verticalpower.com



--------

Chad Jensen

Vertical Power Support

RV-7, built, flown, sold


	


Great to see you on the List, Chad.  I have a VP-200 in my RV-8 and another one in my RV-6.  Absolutely love them.  I can't imagine flying without the electrical automation features of the VP-200 specifically.  Will Astronics be working on a new version of the VP-200 with those automation features?  Marc had said that they were going to add them to the VP-300/400 models, but I understand that Astronics won't be carrying those models.  



For me, the real utility and strength in the Vertical Power products is/was the automation.  If I were in the market for a new experimental electrical system, I'm not sure I'd be all that interesting in the VP-x, but I'd buy another VP-200 in a heartbeat.



Please keep us up to date on Astronics' current and future product updates.



Big Fan of Vertical Power Products,

-

Matt Dralle



RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"

http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log

http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log

http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel

Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...



RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"

http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log

Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode



Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!

Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore

Airport.  Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions.  Archives too!

For entertainment purposes only.  http://klvk.matronics.com

_________________
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator

Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26320
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:57 am Post subject: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI

At 05:24 PM 3/20/2014 Thursday, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Why did I want the -200? For the same reasons Matt cited.  I just

don't see the benefit of merely replacing some circuit breakers that

is essentially the role of the VP-X.


	




I think the biggest downfall of the VP-200 was that potential customers didn't really understand just how *awesome* the automation functionality is and how it really works.  Many times at fly-ins or other events where I've had an opportunity to show off the VP-200, fellow homebuilders are in awe of the automation after I've take a few minutes to explain just how it works and how it significantly reduces my workload during the various phases of flight.  The fact that the VP-200 knows, based on GPS/RPM/AHRS data exactly what mode of flight that I'm in - Start/Taxi/Runup/Takeoff/Cruse/Landing - and switches on or off the electrical circuits that I've pre-programmed for each mode of flight is simply genius.  Not only is the concept certainly revolutionary in the market, but the VP-200's implementation of it just works and works great.  The only external input that is missing to the logic, IMHO, is the determination of Day vs. Night.  I have to manually turn the position lights on.  It seems like either the input from the exiting dimmer electric eye or from some sort of real time clock could make this happen.



Ralph's idea of adding automation to the VP-x though the use of an external embedded processor and display is a good one.  Maybe when I get the RV-8 back in the air, I'll start working on something along those lines... 



Best regards,

-

Matt Dralle



RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"

http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log

http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log

http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel

Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...



RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"

http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log

Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode



Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!

Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore

Airport.  Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions.  Archives too!

For entertainment purposes only.  http://klvk.matronics.com

_________________
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator

Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26320
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:57 am Post subject: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI

At 05:24 PM 3/20/2014 Thursday, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Why did I want the -200? For the same reasons Matt cited.  I just

don't see the benefit of merely replacing some circuit breakers that

is essentially the role of the VP-X.


	




I think the biggest downfall of the VP-200 was that potential customers didn't really understand just how *awesome* the automation functionality is and how it really works.  Many times at fly-ins or other events where I've had an opportunity to show off the VP-200, fellow homebuilders are in awe of the automation after I've take a few minutes to explain just how it works and how it significantly reduces my workload during the various phases of flight.  The fact that the VP-200 knows, based on GPS/RPM/AHRS data exactly what mode of flight that I'm in - Start/Taxi/Runup/Takeoff/Cruse/Landing - and switches on or off the electrical circuits that I've pre-programmed for each mode of flight is simply genius.  Not only is the concept certainly revolutionary in the market, but the VP-200's implementation of it just works and works great.  The only external input that is missing to the logic, IMHO, is the determination of Day vs. Night.  I have to manually turn the position lights on.  It seems like either the input from the exiting dimmer electric eye or from some sort of real time clock could make this happen.



Ralph's idea of adding automation to the VP-x though the use of an external embedded processor and display is a good one.  Maybe when I get the RV-8 back in the air, I'll start working on something along those lines... 



Best regards,

-

Matt Dralle



RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"

http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log

http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log

http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel

Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...



RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"

http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log

Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode



Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!

Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore

Airport.  Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions.  Archives too!

For entertainment purposes only.  http://klvk.matronics.com

_________________
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator

Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26320
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:57 am Post subject: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI

At 05:24 PM 3/20/2014 Thursday, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Why did I want the -200? For the same reasons Matt cited.  I just

don't see the benefit of merely replacing some circuit breakers that

is essentially the role of the VP-X.


	




I think the biggest downfall of the VP-200 was that potential customers didn't really understand just how *awesome* the automation functionality is and how it really works.  Many times at fly-ins or other events where I've had an opportunity to show off the VP-200, fellow homebuilders are in awe of the automation after I've take a few minutes to explain just how it works and how it significantly reduces my workload during the various phases of flight.  The fact that the VP-200 knows, based on GPS/RPM/AHRS data exactly what mode of flight that I'm in - Start/Taxi/Runup/Takeoff/Cruse/Landing - and switches on or off the electrical circuits that I've pre-programmed for each mode of flight is simply genius.  Not only is the concept certainly revolutionary in the market, but the VP-200's implementation of it just works and works great.  The only external input that is missing to the logic, IMHO, is the determination of Day vs. Night.  I have to manually turn the position lights on.  It seems like either the input from the exiting dimmer electric eye or from some sort of real time clock could make this happen.



Ralph's idea of adding automation to the VP-x though the use of an external embedded processor and display is a good one.  Maybe when I get the RV-8 back in the air, I'll start working on something along those lines... 



Best regards,

-

Matt Dralle



RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"

http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log

http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log

http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel

Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...



RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"

http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log

Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode



Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!

Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore

Airport.  Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions.  Archives too!

For entertainment purposes only.  http://klvk.matronics.com

_________________
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator

Matt Dralle
Site Admin

Joined: 08 Nov 2005
Posts: 26320
Location: Livermore CA USA

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:57 am Post subject: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI

At 05:24 PM 3/20/2014 Thursday, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Why did I want the -200? For the same reasons Matt cited.  I just

don't see the benefit of merely replacing some circuit breakers that

is essentially the role of the VP-X.


	




I think the biggest downfall of the VP-200 was that potential customers didn't really understand just how *awesome* the automation functionality is and how it really works.  Many times at fly-ins or other events where I've had an opportunity to show off the VP-200, fellow homebuilders are in awe of the automation after I've take a few minutes to explain just how it works and how it significantly reduces my workload during the various phases of flight.  The fact that the VP-200 knows, based on GPS/RPM/AHRS data exactly what mode of flight that I'm in - Start/Taxi/Runup/Takeoff/Cruse/Landing - and switches on or off the electrical circuits that I've pre-programmed for each mode of flight is simply genius.  Not only is the concept certainly revolutionary in the market, but the VP-200's implementation of it just works and works great.  The only external input that is missing to the logic, IMHO, is the determination of Day vs. Night.  I have to manually turn the position lights on.  It seems like either the input from the exiting dimmer electric eye or from some sort of real time clock could make this happen.



Ralph's idea of adding automation to the VP-x though the use of an external embedded processor and display is a good one.  Maybe when I get the RV-8 back in the air, I'll start working on something along those lines... 



Best regards,

-

Matt Dralle



RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"

http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log

http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log

http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel

Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...



RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"

http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log

Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode



Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!

Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore

Airport.  Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions.  Archives too!

For entertainment purposes only.  http://klvk.matronics.com

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FisherPaulA(at)JohnDeere.
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:41 am Post subject: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI

Not to be argumentative, but I still don't get it.  I'm all for reducing workload in critical phases of flight, but I've only got three circuit switches that I use in that situation - flaps, fuel pump, and landing light wigwag.  Everything else is on at start up and off at shutdown, both of which are low stress, low workload phases.  I'm not turning over control of flaps, so that really just leaves two circuits that I would want to control using this type of device.  Doesn't seem like much of a workload reduction.



Maybe I just don't have enough toys in my plane.  I agree it is cool technology, and I believe you that it works.  I just don't see the benefit to offset the cost.    ...although arguably that could also apply to my entire airplane! 



Paul A. Fisher

RV7A N18PF



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ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:34 am Post subject: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI

The same could be said for autopilots, GPS navigation, and so on. Not

needed, but a convenience. Furthermore the VP-200 can be set up to

easily provide a separate bus for main alternator or battery failure,

automatically shedding unimportant load and switching on your

alternate battery and/or alternator, so that's a safety feature.



No VP-*** product actually moves flaps, to my knowledge, but they will

prevent movement I think if you are over the maximum flap speed.



On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Fisher Paul A.

<FisherPaulA(at)johndeere.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Not to be argumentative, but I still don't get it.  I'm all for reducing workload in critical phases of flight, but I've only got three circuit switches that I use in that situation - flaps, fuel pump, and landing light wigwag.  Everything else is on at start up and off at shutdown, both of which are low stress, low workload phases.  I'm not turning over control of flaps, so that really just leaves two circuits that I would want to control using this type of device.  Doesn't seem like much of a workload reduction.

jjessen01

Joined: 27 Sep 2010
Posts: 50

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:13 pm Post subject: Vertical Power move to Everett, WA and Oshkosh, WI

I do not consider an AP a convenience.  I'm more and more convinced that one should be in every plane.  Safety.  



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Mar 21, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Ralph Finch <ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 The same could be said for autopilots, GPS navigation, and so on. Not

 needed, but a convenience. Furthermore the VP-200 can be set up to

 easily provide a separate bus for main alternator or battery failure,

 automatically shedding unimportant load and switching on your

 alternate battery and/or alternator, so that's a safety feature.

 

 No VP-*** product actually moves flaps, to my knowledge, but they will

 prevent movement I think if you are over the maximum flap speed.

 

 On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Fisher Paul A.

 <FisherPaulA(at)johndeere.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> Not to be argumentative, but I still don't get it.  I'm all for reducing workload in critical phases of flight, but I've only got three circuit switches that I use in that situation - flaps, fuel pump, and landing light wigwag.  Everything else is on at start up and off at shutdown, both of which are low stress, low workload phases.  I'm not turning over control of flaps, so that really just leaves two circuits that I would want to control using this type of device.  Doesn't seem like much of a workload reduction.

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