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sam.marlow
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 Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:12 am Post subject: Marker Beacon Remote Indicators? |
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BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | Good Afternoon Bob and Bill,
May I ask why you want the marker beacon indication? It is/was part
of the low frequency range system which was shut down over sixty years
ago. It has been retained for use with a few ILSs and some NDB
approaches, but such use is rapidly being discontinued.
I know of no fix designated by a marker beacon that cannot be found
via some other legal IFR data.
That is especially true if one has an IFR approved GPS installed.
There is nothing wrong with having a marker beacon receiver installed,
but you can eliminate an antenna and some wiring by getting rid of it.
You might even be able to save some panel space.
My vote is to forget about the marker Beacon Receiver. <G>
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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We at the airlines still use them on Cat2 approaches..................
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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:18 am Post subject: Marker Beacon Remote Indicators? |
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Good Afternoon Sam,
How many GA airplanes shoot Cat II approaches?
If you do regularly execute CAT II in a GA machine, you have a special
operations permit. I will bet a dollar to a doughnut that if you specified in
your op specs that you intended to use a GPS fix in lieu of the marker
beacon for the Cat II approach, it would be approved. The Fan and Bone markers
are ancient history!
Happy Skies,
Old Was Qualified For Cat II Many Years Ago Bob
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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:44 am Post subject: Marker Beacon Remote Indicators? |
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Good Afternoon Sam,
Just for kicks, I called up the ILS Rwy 9L CAT II & III at KORD. I find that to execute that approach you must have a GPS, airline or no airline. It uses many GPS distance fixes for the approach and the distances are from the ISAJ GPS fix which is colocated with the inner marker. Put ISAJ in lieu of the inner marker in your op specs and I will bet two bucks against a doughnut that it will be approved? <G>
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 3/25/2014 9:13:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sam.marlow(at)roadrunner.com writes:
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BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | Good Afternoon Bob and Bill,
May I ask why you want the marker beacon indication? It is/was part
of the low frequency range system which was shut down over sixty years
ago. It has been retained for use with a few ILSs and some NDB
approaches, but such use is rapidly being discontinued.
I know of no fix designated by a marker beacon that cannot be found
via some other legal IFR data.
That is especially true if one has an IFR approved GPS installed.
There is nothing wrong with having a marker beacon receiver installed,
but you can eliminate an antenna and some wiring by getting rid of it.
You might even be able to save some panel space.
My vote is to forget about the marker Beacon Receiver. <G>
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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We at the airlines still use them on Cat2 approaches..................
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sam.marlow
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:56 am Post subject: Marker Beacon Remote Indicators? |
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My airline was not approved to use GPS fixes, and no I don't make cat II approaches in my RV. Just my 2 cents worth........
I'm retired now, but only since 2012. You know how slow the FAA is in changeling things. I'm not trying to start something, just throwing loose change.
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 25, 2014, at 3:15 PM, BobsV35B(at)aol.com (BobsV35B(at)aol.com) wrote:
[quote] Good Afternoon Sam,
How many GA airplanes shoot Cat II approaches?
If you do regularly execute CAT II in a GA machine, you have a special operations permit. I will bet a dollar to a doughnut that if you specified in your op specs that you intended to use a GPS fix in lieu of the marker beacon for the Cat II approach, it would be approved. The Fan and Bone markers are ancient history!
Happy Skies,
Old Was Qualified For Cat II Many Years Ago Bob
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In a message dated 3/25/2014 9:13:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sam.marlow(at)roadrunner.com (sam.marlow(at)roadrunner.com) writes:
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BobsV35B(at)aol.com (BobsV35B(at)aol.com) wrote:
| Quote: | Good Afternoon Bob and Bill,
May I ask why you want the marker beacon indication? It is/was part
of the low frequency range system which was shut down over sixty years
ago. It has been retained for use with a few ILSs and some NDB
approaches, but such use is rapidly being discontinued.
I know of no fix designated by a marker beacon that cannot be found
via some other legal IFR data.
That is especially true if one has an IFR approved GPS installed.
There is nothing wrong with having a marker beacon receiver installed,
but you can eliminate an antenna and some wiring by getting rid of it.
You might even be able to save some panel space.
My vote is to forget about the marker Beacon Receiver. <G>
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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We at the airlines still use them on Cat2 approaches..................
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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:29 pm Post subject: Marker Beacon Remote Indicators? |
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Good Evening Sam,
Welcome to the ranks of the unemployed.
What I am trying to do is help folks save money, space and weight on their airplanes.
Seems any serious IFR pilot will have a GPS and, with a GPS, the marker beacon becomes superfluous. Just trying to save the troops a few bucks and some space in their flying machine.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 3/25/2014 2:57:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sam.marlow(at)roadrunner.com writes:
| Quote: | My airline was not approved to use GPS fixes, and no I don't make cat II approaches in my RV. Just my 2 cents worth........
I'm retired now, but only since 2012. You know how slow the FAA is in changeling things. I'm not trying to start something, just throwing loose change.
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 25, 2014, at 3:15 PM, BobsV35B(at)aol.com (BobsV35B(at)aol.com) wrote:
| Quote: | Good Afternoon Sam,
How many GA airplanes shoot Cat II approaches?
If you do regularly execute CAT II in a GA machine, you have a special operations permit. I will bet a dollar to a doughnut that if you specified in your op specs that you intended to use a GPS fix in lieu of the marker beacon for the Cat II approach, it would be approved. The Fan and Bone markers are ancient history!
Happy Skies,
Old Was Qualified For Cat II Many Years Ago Bob
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donjohnston
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:11 am Post subject: Re: Marker Beacon Remote Indicators? |
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| BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote: | What I am trying to do is help folks save money, space and weight on their airplanes.
Seems any serious IFR pilot will have a GPS and, with a GPS, the marker beacon becomes superfluous. Just trying to save the troops a few bucks and some space in their flying machine.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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I'm in the process of connecting my avionics. I installed a marker beacon antenna only to discover that the audio panel I'm installing doesn't have marker beacon indicators. I contacted the manufacture and they explained that marker beacon transmitters will start to be decommissioned starting next year. So they decided to remove that function.
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BobsV35B(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:26 am Post subject: Marker Beacon Remote Indicators? |
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Smart Folks!!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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In a message dated 3/28/2014 9:44:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, don(at)velocity-xl.com writes:
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BobsV35B(at)aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | What I am trying to do is help folks save money, space and weight on their airplanes.
Seems any serious IFR pilot will have a GPS and, with a GPS, the marker beacon becomes superfluous. Just trying to save the troops a few bucks and some space in their flying machine.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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I'm in the process of connecting my avionics. I installed a marker beacon antenna only to discover that the audio panel I'm installing doesn't have marker beacon indicators. I contacted the manufacture and they explained that marker beacon transmitters will start to be decommissioned starting next year. So they decided to remove that function.
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