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tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:24 am Post subject: Stick Grips

Gidday,

I have a pair of Tosken Manufacturing Stick Grips, but the way they are raked forward is giving me grief. I’ve already cut them down to suit, which works by having a 1” insert with a smaller diameter hole that the grip mounts through. So, I am after a stick grip that has a male stud sticking out the bottom that goes into a receptacle that fits inside our sticks, NOT over them. Any suggestions??

Regards

Tony Renshaw

peterz(at)zutrasoft.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:55 am Post subject: Stick Grips

Not having installed my nifty Tosten (www.tostenmanufacturing.com) grips yet, I was wondering if the raked condition could be rectified by milling up some custom off-axis grip-mount-plugs instead of replacing them totally?

  



Cheers,



Pete



On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:23 AM, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

  [quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)>

   

 Gidday,

 I have a pair of Tosken Manufacturing Stick Grips, but the way they are raked forward is giving me grief. Iâ€™ve already cut them down to suit, which works by having a 1â€ insert with a smaller diameter hole that the grip mounts through. So, I am after a stick grip that has a male stud sticking out the bottom that goes into a receptacle that fits inside our sticks, NOT over them. Any suggestions??

   Regards

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budyerly(at)msn.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:09 am Post subject: Stick Grips

Tony,

When going with other than the MAC style stick grips, you are in custom 

territory.

I have had custom bending and welding done with a stud, and also with a 

military style multipin connector in the top of a stick.  I find that custom 

stick grips usually come with proper spacers for 1 and 7/8 inch tubes.   I 

would bet that the stick manufacturer has a solution to the fitting, but not 

the cockpit clearances.



The issue, as you have found, is the cockpit clearance is going to require 

you to replace your sticks with custom bends to allow the grip head, at your 

comfortable flying position, to give clearance all around the cockpit. 

Nothing worse than testing an aircraft whose control limit stops are the 

panel and persons anatomy.   Also check the passenger side as well.



Regards,

Bud Yerly

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From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 6:23 AM

To: <europa-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Stick Grips



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Gidday,

 I have a pair of Tosken Manufacturing Stick Grips, but the way they are 

 raked forward is giving me grief. I’ve already cut them down to suit, 

 which works by having a 1” insert with a smaller diameter hole that the 

 grip mounts through. So, I am after a stick grip that has a male stud 

 sticking out the bottom that goes into a receptacle that fits inside our 

 sticks, NOT over them. Any suggestions??

 Regards

 Tony Renshaw

tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:33 am Post subject: Stick Grips

Hi Bud, Am I right that I can tinker with winding out the rod end at the bottom of the control column, to get the whole range of the stick further aft. It appears though the longer you make that arc, it alters the way the pitch pushrod travels within the aileron tube, and you could create a bind. Unfortunately I have a nice little 1 1/2" fence of 2 plies of BID that creates a surface to protect my controls, and to allow a boot to attach to, which is basically in the way of future close inspection. I think I might just rely on sound and feel throughout the control movement range. Irritating, and unforeseen.

Regards 

Tony Renshaw

Sent from my iPad

 	  Quote: 	
		   On 9 Jun 2014, at 10:08 pm, "Bud Yerly" <budyerly(at)msn.com> wrote:

 Tony,

 When going with other than the MAC style stick grips, you are in custom territory.

 I have had custom bending and welding done with a stud, and also with a military style multipin connector in the top of a stick.  I find that custom stick grips usually come with proper spacers for 1 and 7/8 inch tubes.   I would bet that the stick manufacturer has a solution to the fitting, but not the cockpit clearances.

 The issue, as you have found, is the cockpit clearance is going to require you to replace your sticks with custom bends to allow the grip head, at your comfortable flying position, to give clearance all around the cockpit. Nothing worse than testing an aircraft whose control limit stops are the panel and persons anatomy.   Also check the passenger side as well.

 Regards,

 Bud Yerly

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 From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>

 Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 6:23 AM

 To: <europa-list(at)matronics.com>

 Subject: Stick Grips

> 

> 

> Gidday,

> I have a pair of Tosken Manufacturing Stick Grips, but the way they are raked forward is giving me grief. Iâ€™ve already cut them down to suit, which works by having a 1â€ insert with a smaller diameter hole that the grip mounts through. So, I am after a stick grip that has a male stud sticking out the bottom that goes into a receptacle that fits inside our sticks, NOT over them. Any suggestions??

> Regards

> Tony Renshaw

kingsnjan(at)westnet.com.
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:09 am Post subject: Stick Grips

Tony,



Take it from a friendly banana bender from the Sunshine State ......... push bike handlebar grips are cheap and functional ..... Heh heh



Do not archive



Sent from my iPad



 	  Quote: 	
		   On 9 Jun 2014, at 10:33 pm, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi Bud, Am I right that I can tinker with winding out the rod end at the bottom of the control column, to get the whole range of the stick further aft. It appears though the longer you make that arc, it alters the way the pitch pushrod travels within the aileron tube, and you could create a bind. Unfortunately I have a nice little 1 1/2" fence of 2 plies of BID that creates a surface to protect my controls, and to allow a boot to attach to, which is basically in the way of future close inspection. I think I might just rely on sound and feel throughout the control movement range. Irritating, and unforeseen.

 Regards 

 Tony Renshaw

 

 

 Sent from my iPad

 

> On 9 Jun 2014, at 10:08 pm, "Bud Yerly" <budyerly(at)msn.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Tony,

> When going with other than the MAC style stick grips, you are in custom territory.

> I have had custom bending and welding done with a stud, and also with a military style multipin connector in the top of a stick.  I find that custom stick grips usually come with proper spacers for 1 and 7/8 inch tubes.   I would bet that the stick manufacturer has a solution to the fitting, but not the cockpit clearances.

> 

> The issue, as you have found, is the cockpit clearance is going to require you to replace your sticks with custom bends to allow the grip head, at your comfortable flying position, to give clearance all around the cockpit. Nothing worse than testing an aircraft whose control limit stops are the panel and persons anatomy.   Also check the passenger side as well.

> 

> Regards,

> Bud Yerly

> --------------------------------------------------

> From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>

> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 6:23 AM

> To: <europa-list(at)matronics.com>

> Subject: Stick Grips

> 

>> 

>> 

>> Gidday,

>> I have a pair of Tosken Manufacturing Stick Grips, but the way they are raked forward is giving me grief. Iâ€™ve already cut them down to suit, which works by having a 1â€ insert with a smaller diameter hole that the grip mounts through. So, I am after a stick grip that has a male stud sticking out the bottom that goes into a receptacle that fits inside our sticks, NOT over them. Any suggestions??

>> Regards

>> Tony Renshaw

Fred Klein

Joined: 26 Mar 2012
Posts: 503

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 6:24 am Post subject: Stick Grips

Tony…my mantra for all things aviation:



	“…manage the degree of novelty…”

Fred

PS: I’m a lousy manager.



On Jun 9, 2014, at 5:08 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly(at)msn.com (budyerly(at)msn.com)> wrote:

[quote]Tony,When going with other than the MAC style stick grips, you are in custom territory.[b]

budyerly(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:09 pm Post subject: Stick Grips

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Tony,

 You are better off rebending the stick.  Your gut to panel distance  must be judged.  The pitch rod travel is fixed more or less by geometry of  the system, only slight changes are made there.  Make a new stick custom to  your grip.  As for limits, your knees, gut and panel will  determine what the stick shape and size need to be.  What is important is  13+, -5 on the stab and your gut and panel (including knuckles) do not  limit that at any aileron travel limit.  Latterally, make sure the pain  necessary to do full deflection is not noticeable in roll.  Take it on a  bit of faith, and note that tall grips create more of a pain and rework than  they give back in enjoyment.  It can add another 40 hours to the  build.  

  

 Unless your ego cannot live without it, it is a cut/bend/fit  exercise.  The KISS principle was applied to my bird because of doing 12  gotta have custom grips discussions.

  

 The last time I pulled a trigger on a stick, bad things happened to other  people on the ground, I don't have one.  I still fly with my index finger  extended.

  

 Regards,

 Bud

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tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
Guest

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:53 pm Post subject: Stick Grips

Except I have cut down the sticks!

T



Sent from my iPad



 	  Quote: 	
		   On 9 Jun 2014, at 11:08 pm, Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan(at)westnet.com.au> wrote:

 

 

 

 Tony,

 

 Take it from a friendly banana bender from the Sunshine State ......... push bike handlebar grips are cheap and functional ..... Heh heh

 

 Do not archive

 

 Sent from my iPad

 

> On 9 Jun 2014, at 10:33 pm, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Hi Bud, Am I right that I can tinker with winding out the rod end at the bottom of the control column, to get the whole range of the stick further aft. It appears though the longer you make that arc, it alters the way the pitch pushrod travels within the aileron tube, and you could create a bind. Unfortunately I have a nice little 1 1/2" fence of 2 plies of BID that creates a surface to protect my controls, and to allow a boot to attach to, which is basically in the way of future close inspection. I think I might just rely on sound and feel throughout the control movement range. Irritating, and unforeseen.

> Regards 

> Tony Renshaw

> 

> 

> Sent from my iPad

> 

>> On 9 Jun 2014, at 10:08 pm, "Bud Yerly" <budyerly(at)msn.com> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Tony,

>> When going with other than the MAC style stick grips, you are in custom territory.

>> I have had custom bending and welding done with a stud, and also with a military style multipin connector in the top of a stick.  I find that custom stick grips usually come with proper spacers for 1 and 7/8 inch tubes.   I would bet that the stick manufacturer has a solution to the fitting, but not the cockpit clearances.

>> 

>> The issue, as you have found, is the cockpit clearance is going to require you to replace your sticks with custom bends to allow the grip head, at your comfortable flying position, to give clearance all around the cockpit. Nothing worse than testing an aircraft whose control limit stops are the panel and persons anatomy.   Also check the passenger side as well.

>> 

>> Regards,

>> Bud Yerly

>> --------------------------------------------------

>> From: "Tony Renshaw" <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>

>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 6:23 AM

>> To: <europa-list(at)matronics.com>

>> Subject: Stick Grips

>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Gidday,

>>> I have a pair of Tosken Manufacturing Stick Grips, but the way they are raked forward is giving me grief. Iâ€™ve already cut them down to suit, which works by having a 1â€ insert with a smaller diameter hole that the grip mounts through. So, I am after a stick grip that has a male stud sticking out the bottom that goes into a receptacle that fits inside our sticks, NOT over them. Any suggestions??

>>> Regards

>>> Tony Renshaw

europa471

Joined: 08 Apr 2009
Posts: 35

Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:13 pm Post subject: Stick Grips

Question for those who have test flown their Europa.



How far can you shorten the control stick and still comfortably land the 

aircraft with the stabilizer stuck at full travel in either direction , 

without being Superman?



Lance Sandford

On 10/06/14 07:52, Tony Renshaw wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Except I have cut down the sticks!

 T



 Sent from my iPad



> On 9 Jun 2014, at 11:08 pm, Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan(at)westnet.com.au> wrote:

>

> 

>

> Tony,

>

> Take it from a friendly banana bender from the Sunshine State ......... push bike handlebar grips are cheap and functional ..... Heh heh

>

> Do not archive

>

> Sent from my iPad

ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:10 am Post subject: Stick Grips

Answer:- NO SHORTER WHATEVER.  TO LAND FULLY NOSE UP TRIM IT WOULD BE Extremely difficult on your own ! but power assisted by the passenger probably ! But the extreme loads are a question over the mechanical strengths of the linkages !  When I had to go to fully trimmed up to get the damn relay deck to reverse it was easier to let it go fully nose up trim and pray the deck would let itself reverse when it got to the end of travel. Been there done that when Menzimer was insisting my problem was wiring when in actual fact they eventually discovered that the end of the travel by the relay masked the actual problem in the relay . Since I fitted the MARK II relay deck never a problem !!!!!

Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG



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ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:11 am Post subject: Stick Grips

Tony .......get new sticks of the already bent type. See my answer to Lance Stanford.

Regards

|Bob Harrison. G-PTAG



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tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 12:39 am Post subject: Stick Grips

Hi Bob,

Like me, mine are already BENT! 

So, I think if I can get the bits I chopped off the ends stuck in the middle, I might be right. How come the curved sticks weren't more curved, receding further aft and less forward? 



I think I know the answer.

Regards

 Tony Renshaw

Sent from my iPad



[quote] On 10 Jun 2014, at 6:10 pm, "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 Tony .......get new sticks of the already bent type. See my answer to Lance Stanford.

 Regards

 |Bob Harrison. G-PTAG

 

 --

europa471

Joined: 08 Apr 2009
Posts: 35

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:56 am Post subject: Stick Grips

Bob



Thanks Bob. That is about what I suspected.



Regards



Lance Sandford

On 10/06/14 18:09, Bob Harrison wrote:

[quote] 



 Answer:- NO SHORTER WHATEVER.  TO LAND FULLY NOSE UP TRIM IT WOULD BE Extremely difficult on your own ! but power assisted by the passenger probably ! But the extreme loads are a question over the mechanical strengths of the linkages !  When I had to go to fully trimmed up to get the damn relay deck to reverse it was easier to let it go fully nose up trim and pray the deck would let itself reverse when it got to the end of travel. Been there done that when Menzimer was insisting my problem was wiring when in actual fact they eventually discovered that the end of the travel by the relay masked the actual problem in the relay . Since I fitted the MARK II relay deck never a problem !!!!!

 Regards

 Bob Harrison G-PTAG



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Remi Guerner

Joined: 14 Dec 2010
Posts: 284

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:05 am Post subject: Re: Stick Grips

<<<<How>>>>>

Lance,

I assume you are talking about possible pitch trim runaway. I did some testing a few years ago with my aircraft and this is what I found: 

at my typical 130 kts cruise speed if the servo goes to the full pitch up position, the necessary push force is so high that it is impossible to maintain level flight. After reducing power and speed, the push force is still very high. It is possible to maintain level flight but it will be very tiring after a few minutes. 

  Still at  cruising speed, if the servo goes to the full down position, the pull force is high but it is possible to maintain level flight even at cruise speed. After reducing power and speed, the pull force is still high but it is possible to maintain level flight quite easily.  

Testing was done with the standard stick. Obviously a shortened stick will make things worse. 

I believe it is critical to have the pitch trim circuit breaker well marked so that you can turn it off before it goes all the way up or down. In case of a runaway to the up position, a trick is to bank the aircraft and turn, therefore releasing the push force. Then, while you are doing 360s, you can relax and take time to decide what you are going to do next.

Remi Guerner

F-PGKL, XS monowheel, 1100 hours

ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:28 am Post subject: Stick Grips

Hi! Tony.

Don't be fooled by the bend. It is not all about forward and aft bending you will need to use the existing bend partly rotated to achieve best position.

Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG



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tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:01 am Post subject: Stick Grips

Yep.

TR



Sent from my iPad



[quote] On 10 Jun 2014, at 8:27 pm, "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi! Tony.

 Don't be fooled by the bend. It is not all about forward and aft bending you will need to use the existing bend partly rotated to achieve best position.

 Regards

 Bob Harrison G-PTAG

 

 --

europa471

Joined: 08 Apr 2009
Posts: 35

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:20 am Post subject: Stick Grips

Remi

Thanks for the additional info. I assumed it would be a handful in 

cruise. It is the approach and landing loads I was interested in. Some 

sort of a kill switch would be a good idea, I´m using fuses not circuit 

breakers.



Regards



Lance Sandford



On 10/06/14 20:05, Remi Guerner wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Lance,

 I assume you are talking about possible pitch trim runaway. I did some testing a few years ago with my aircraft and this is what I found:

 at my typical 130 kts cruise speed if the servo goes to the full pitch up position, the necessary push force is so high that it is impossible to maintain level flight. After reducing power and speed, the push force is still very high. It is possible to maintain level flight but it will be very tiring after a few minutes.

    Still at  cruising speed, if the servo goes to the full down position, the pull force is high but it is possible to maintain level flight even at cruise speed. After reducing power and speed, the pull force is still high but it is possible to maintain level flight quite easily.

 Testing was done with the standard stick. Obviously a shortened stick will make things worse.

 I believe it is critical to have the pitch trim circuit breaker well marked so that you can turn it off before it goes all the way up or down. In case of a runaway to the up position, a trick is to bank the aircraft and turn, therefore releasing the push force. Then, while you are doing 360s, you can relax and take time to decide what you are going to do next.

 Remi Guerner

 F-PGKL, XS monowheel, 1100 hours





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=424612#424612

wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:20 am Post subject: Stick Grips

whassat....Bob I dont remember that issue can you enlighten on the trim issue please

 Will



William Daniell



LONGPORT

+57 310 295 0744

 



On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Lance Sandford <sandford(at)melbpc.org.au (sandford(at)melbpc.org.au)> wrote:

[quote] --> Europa-List message posted by: Lance Sandford <sandford(at)melbpc.org.au (sandford(at)melbpc.org.au)>

 

 Bob

 

 Thanks Bob. That is about what I suspected.

 

 Regards

 

 Lance Sandford

 

 

 On 10/06/14 18:09, Bob Harrison wrote:

 [quote] --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net (ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net)>

 

 Answer:- NO SHORTER WHATEVER. Â TO LAND FULLY NOSE UP TRIM IT WOULD BE Extremely difficult on your own ! but power assisted by the passenger probably ! But the extreme loads are a question over the mechanical strengths of the linkages ! Â When I had to go to fully trimmed up to get the damn relay deck to reverse it was easier to let it go fully nose up trim and pray the deck would let itself reverse when it got to the end of travel. Been there done that when Menzimer was insisting my problem was wiring when in actual fact they eventually discovered that the end of the travel by the relay masked the actual problem in the relay . Since I fitted the MARK II relay deck never a problem !!!!!

  Regards

 Bob Harrison G-PTAG

 

 --

ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:20 am Post subject: Stick Grips

Hi! William

................Just donâ€™t shorten the control stick .....use the bent one and fix it by rotating it to best position.

Regards

Bob Harrison.

 

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell

Sent: 10 June 2014 13:20

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Stick Grips



 

whassat....Bob I dont remember that issue can you enlighten on the trim issue please



Will



William Daniell



LONGPORT

+57 310 295 0744



 

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Lance Sandford <sandford(at)melbpc.org.au (sandford(at)melbpc.org.au)> wrote:

--> Europa-List message posted by: Lance Sandford <sandford(at)melbpc.org.au (sandford(at)melbpc.org.au)>



Bob



Thanks Bob. That is about what I suspected.



Regards



Lance Sandford

On 10/06/14 18:09, Bob Harrison wrote:

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net (ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net)>



Answer:- NO SHORTER WHATEVER.  TO LAND FULLY NOSE UP TRIM IT WOULD BE Extremely difficult on your own ! but power assisted by the passenger probably ! But the extreme loads are a question over the mechanical strengths of the linkages !  When I had to go to fully trimmed up to get the damn relay deck to reverse it was easier to let it go fully nose up trim and pray the deck would let itself reverse when it got to the end of travel. Been there done that when Menzimer was insisting my problem was wiring when in actual fact they eventually discovered that the end of the travel by the relay masked the actual problem in the relay . Since I fitted the MARK II relay deck never a problem !!!!!

Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG



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wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
Guest

Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 5:50 am Post subject: Stick Grips

Thanks...but you had a runaway trim? Â if is was a particular model I am wondering whether I shd change my trim motor (Mac) prior to putting the top on Â (I cant imgaine this is much fun with the top on!)

 

William Daniell



LONGPORT

+57 310 295 0744

 



On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Bob Harrison <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net (ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net)> wrote:

[quote] 

Hi! William

 ................Just donâ€™t shorten the control stick ......use the bent one and fix it by rotating it to best position. 

Regards

Bob Harrison. 

Â  

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of William Daniell

 Sent: 10 June 2014 13:20

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: Stick Grips



 Â 

whassat....Bob I dont remember that issue can you enlighten on the trim issue please 



Will



 William Daniell



LONGPORT

[url=tel:%2B57%20310%20295%200744]+57 310 295 0744[/url] 



Â 

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Lance Sandford <sandford(at)melbpc.org.au (sandford(at)melbpc.org.au)> wrote: 

--> Europa-List message posted by: Lance Sandford <sandford(at)melbpc.org.au (sandford(at)melbpc.org.au)>



Bob



Thanks Bob. That is about what I suspected.

 

Regards



Lance Sandford

On 10/06/14 18:09, Bob Harrison wrote:

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net (ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net)>

 

Answer:- NO SHORTER WHATEVER. Â TO LAND FULLY NOSE UP TRIM IT WOULD BE Extremely difficult on your own ! but power assisted by the passenger probably ! But the extreme loads are a question over the mechanical strengths of the linkages ! Â When I had to go to fully trimmed up to get the damn relay deck to reverse it was easier to let it go fully nose up trim and pray the deck would let itself reverse when it got to the end of travel. Been there done that when Menzimer was insisting my problem was wiring when in actual fact they eventually discovered that the end of the travel by the relay masked the actual problem in the relay . Since I fitted the MARK II relay deck never a problem !!!!!

 Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG



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