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 Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 12:56 am Post subject: Stupidity of Facebook thread |
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Its not often I feel the need to voice my views or opinions, but following this debate / tirade / witch hunt I think its now about time we closed it off and returned to list normality...
Just to put a few things straight this the matronics list is an invaluable source of knowledge, diversity, friendship and camaraderie. These type of lists have been around for a long time, longer of course than the current batch of social networking (FB etc) however I well remember the reticence associated with these lists at the time.
Facebook and Twitter are quite simply the current holders of the trend and human need for communication, these are certain to loose this position of current favourites as and when something new comes along, its happened many times in History, Photography that was alleged to steal the sole, Radio, Television and indeed even our own beloved Aviation have all had the same views expressed as I see being levelled at social Networking, it would appear that Ludditeism is indeed still alive!
To clarify a couple of issues (understandable as the protagonists clearly have no experience of the medium), Facebook and twitter is self regulating and very simple, if you post information, Photographs, Videos or opinions it is only viewed by the people that you give permission to view them PLEASE READ THAT AGAIN, this facility is not available through this valuable and irreplaceable forum. The current crop of social medias are populated by a different set of minds (probably somewhat younger both physically and minded) these people probably have a similar view about our Matronics forum as some on here have about theirs. There is of course a crossover where both are used by some including myself.
Its a very naïve attitude to take the view keep our hobby and beautiful aircraft to ourselves and a secret (a secret handshake for Europa owners, now there is a most interesting thought), without future owners, fettlers, builders our treasures will end up in barns, lockups etc. in very sorry states probably never to fly again, "is that where we want our labours to end up?" We really do need the future owners, if for no other reason we need these pilots to fly ourselves when we loose our medicals for age or health reasons, we could of course take the Egyptians view and be buried with the aircraft for use in the great atmosphere above? I wont be doing this as I hope to be presented with a new set of wings on arrival. Ironically some of the responders comments confuse me as whilst trying to keep the aircraft exclusive, make a point about visiting, travelling to many parts and meets all over Europe and the world, hardly keeping the Europa a secret is it? I would ask the question again do we really want to keep our pleasure and passion a secret?
Certainly not in my own case and I suspect in most of our cases, we therefor need to take and exploit all of the opportunities to show off our Aircraft, promote the Europa Aircraft and our community, I for one take great pleasure in sharing my life experiences, flights, pictures and videos with my invited friends, its pretty much the same as what happens on here but a little more modern, in fact its the same as me picking up the phone and speaking to my friends which I still do actually do.
So lets end the venom-ocity and silliness here and now "Long Live Matronics and Long Live Facebook too" a place in all of our worlds for all of us........
The other one
David J Joyce
Sent to you by David Joyce
www.eastmidsspas.com
PLEASE NOTE WE HAVE MOVED AND ARE NOW AT
The Zycomm Building 51 Nottingham Road Ripley Derbys DE5 3AS
160 Meters from Sainsbury's Island
Same Phone 0800 4102122 and Direct Mobile 07973 675755
From: Frans Veldman <frans(at)privatepilots.nl>
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Monday, 19 May 2014, 19:18
Subject: Re: Facebook/Twitter
--> Europa-List message posted by: Frans Veldman <frans(at)privatepilots.nl (frans(at)privatepilots.nl)>
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On 05/19/2014 04:44 PM, duanefamly(at)aol.com (duanefamly(at)aol.com) wrote:
| Quote: | On FB/Twitter, our world could attract those that could develop a
passion for building or flying Europas.
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Why would we want that? Has flying an Europa became a religion and do
we need to spread the word and try to draw more soals into it?
I don't care whether our current fleet would be expanded or remains
stable. No need for growth here. In fact, I think that many of us
wanted to build an Europa to do something special, not because one
felt the urge to follow the herd.
And to me it looks like facebook and twitter are mainly herd things. I
always get the feeling that it is sort of a compensation for people
who are not able to live an interesting live themselves. Making a
picture of their dinner and letting the world know that they are going
to eat it. That kind of stuf.
Oh and BTW, all of us were apparently able to find this little
community without the "help" of facebook or twitter. We don't need it
for that. In fact, I would suggest that anyone who is unable to find
this without the help of facebook or twitter doesn't deserve it. 
| Quote: | Everything that goes on FB/Twitter gets gleaned by so many
information gatherers it would make your head spin.
|
And that is a good reason against it. I want to share my information
with people I know, and not share it with thousands of friends of
friends of friends... If I wanted to broadcast everything to the
entire world I would easily find opportunities to do so, still without
the help of facebook or twitter.
Frans
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brian.davies(at)clara.co.
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 3:01 am Post subject: Stupidity of Facebook thread |
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Hear, Hear!
Brian Davies
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAVID JOYCE
Sent: 20 May 2014 09:52
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Stupidity of Facebook thread
Its not often I feel the need to voice my views or opinions, but following this debate / tirade / witch hunt I think its now about time we closed it off and returned to list normality...
Just to put a few things straight this the matronics list is an invaluable source of knowledge, diversity, friendship and camaraderie. These type of lists have been around for a long time, longer of course than the current batch of social networking (FB etc) however I well remember the reticence associated with these lists at the time.
Facebook and Twitter are quite simply the current holders of the trend and human need for communication, these are certain to loose this position of current favourites as and when something new comes along, its happened many times in History, Photography that was alleged to steal the sole, Radio, Television and indeed even our own beloved Aviation have all had the same views expressed as I see being levelled at social Networking, it would appear that Ludditeism is indeed still alive!
To clarify a couple of issues (understandable as the protagonists clearly have no experience of the medium), Facebook and twitter is self regulating and very simple, if you post information, Photographs, Videos or opinions it is only viewed by the people that you give permission to view them PLEASE READ THAT AGAIN, this facility is not available through this valuable and irreplaceable forum. The current crop of social medias are populated by a different set of minds (probably somewhat younger both physically and minded) these people probably have a similar view about our Matronics forum as some on here have about theirs. There is of course a crossover where both are used by some including myself.
Its a very naïve attitude to take the view keep our hobby and beautiful aircraft to ourselves and a secret (a secret handshake for Europa owners, now there is a most interesting thought), without future owners, fettlers, builders our treasures will end up in barns, lockups etc. in very sorry states probably never to fly again, "is that where we want our labours to end up?" We really do need the future owners, if for no other reason we need these pilots to fly ourselves when we loose our medicals for age or health reasons, we could of course take the Egyptians view and be buried with the aircraft for use in the great atmosphere above? I wont be doing this as I hope to be presented with a new set of wings on arrival. Ironically some of the responders comments confuse me as whilst trying to keep the aircraft exclusive, make a point about visiting, travelling to many parts and meets all over Europe and the world, hardly keeping the Europa a secret is it? I would ask the question again do we really want to keep our pleasure and passion a secret?
Certainly not in my own case and I suspect in most of our cases, we therefor need to take and exploit all of the opportunities to show off our Aircraft, promote the Europa Aircraft and our community, I for one take great pleasure in sharing my life experiences, flights, pictures and videos with my invited friends, its pretty much the same as what happens on here but a little more modern, in fact its the same as me picking up the phone and speaking to my friends which I still do actually do.
So lets end the venom-ocity and silliness here and now "Long Live Matronics and Long Live Facebook too" a place in all of our worlds for all of us........
The other one
David J Joyce
Sent to you by David Joyce
www.eastmidsspas.com
PLEASE NOTE WE HAVE MOVED AND ARE NOW AT
The Zycomm Building 51 Nottingham Road Ripley Derbys DE5 3AS
160 Meters from Sainsbury's Island
Same Phone 0800 4102122 and Direct Mobile 07973 675755
From: Frans Veldman <frans(at)privatepilots.nl (frans(at)privatepilots.nl)>
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Monday, 19 May 2014, 19:18
Subject: Re: Facebook/Twitter
--> Europa-List message posted by: Frans Veldman <frans(at)privatepilots.nl (frans(at)privatepilots.nl)>
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On 05/19/2014 04:44 PM, duanefamly(at)aol.com (duanefamly(at)aol.com) wrote:
| Quote: | On FB/Twitter, our world could attract those that could develop a
passion for building or flying Europas.
|
Why would we want that? Has flying an Europa became a religion and do
we need to spread the word and try to draw more soals into it?
I don't care whether our current fleet would be expanded or remains
stable. No need for growth here. In fact, I think that many of us
wanted to build an Europa to do something special, not because one
felt the urge to follow the herd.
And to me it looks like facebook and twitter are mainly herd things. I
always get the feeling that it is sort of a compensation for people
who are not able to live an interesting live themselves. Making a
picture of their dinner and letting the world know that they are going
to eat it. That kind of stuf.
Oh and BTW, all of us were apparently able to find this little
community without the "help" of facebook or twitter. We don't need it
for that. In fact, I would suggest that anyone who is unable to find
this without the help of facebook or twitter doesn't deserve it.
| Quote: | Everything that goes on FB/Twitter gets gleaned by so many
information gatherers it would make your head spin.
|
And that is a good reason against it. I want to share my information
with people I know, and not share it with thousands of friends of
friends of friends... If I wanted to broadcast everything to the
entire world I would easily find opportunities to do so, still without
the help of facebook or twitter.
Frans
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